So I'm here with Tom Evans,
The host of The Zone Show,
And we're having a wonderful turn of events because the interviewer is now about to be interviewed.
So I would like to introduce to everyone the wonderful,
Talented,
Magical,
Very insightful Tom Evans.
Welcome Tom Evans.
Oh,
Thank you,
And thank you for giving your time up to play interviewer.
It's a real honor and a pleasure to have the tables turned.
Well,
I'm excited to interview you because you are a fascinating person.
And although you're frequently found behind the mic,
I know we would all really enjoy hearing some of your secrets.
So Tom,
You are truly one of the most integrated people I have ever met.
What is your secret for being successful in the left brain world while also managing to be a true magician in the world of the mystical right brain?
Well,
That's a great question.
I think that the,
It's probably my story really,
Because I spent,
I did a degree in electronics when I left school.
And then I got a really amazing job at the BBC over in the UK as a video vision engineer.
I became an expert in camera technology.
And by the time I was 25,
I had my own company.
By the time I was 30,
I had staff and I was exporting products all over the world.
And so I was living in this very left brain engineering kind of world,
Although I was always very creative.
So I'd probably had at that time,
I guess,
80% active left brain and 20% active right brain.
And then I,
In the 1990s,
As the internet grew,
I developed an internet business and also learned that technology,
Which is kind of good.
So I became very good at high tech.
So I know how this,
I know the technology behind how this Skype conversation is going on.
I know how light gets converted to electrons,
How it's encoded and sent down the telephone lines and how it then gets re-encoded and goes into the display.
And then we see it with our eyes and all that stuff and what's happening with sound as well.
I understand that at a really detailed and fundamental level.
And then in my mid-40s,
Having built and sold two businesses,
I was a bit stressed out and a bit frazzled.
And someone said to me,
You need to meditate.
I went,
OK,
Well,
I can't meditate because I'm too busy and I can never make my mind switch off.
So I learned to meditate.
And after I learned to meditate and I went on a few courses,
Did a bit of NLP and a bit of therapy and that kind of stuff,
Weird things started to happen.
And the engineering in me went,
Now that's weird.
That just happened.
So how did that happen?
And if,
As it's happened,
How can we use it in the real world?
So at that time,
What happened is my switch on my right brain and I went to this 50-50 state.
And I learned how to get the left and right brain working together at the same time.
But then I learned something bigger than that.
I learned how to go from the whole brain state to the whole mind state,
Where you don't just have your left and right brain integrated,
But you have all the inner mind centers working together,
Your heart mind,
Your gut mind,
Your root mind,
The crown,
All this sort of stuff.
So I learned all this kind of spiritual stuff.
But as an engineer,
Then learned how to ground it.
And everything I do,
Everything I teach,
All my products,
All my books,
They're all tested on me first and they're tested on clients of mine.
And then they're tested in a group environment and workshops.
And then I ended up writing about it.
So they're very empirical,
But they all work.
Very cool.
Now,
Tom,
I know you've written many,
Many books.
How many books exactly have you written?
I've just written my third,
Just finished writing my 13th.
Very impressive.
So some of your book titles include Managing Time Mindfully,
New Magic for the New Era,
This We Know,
The Zone,
How to Get in It and Stay in It,
This We Are,
And Mindful,
Timeful and Kindful,
Blocks,
The Enlightened Way to Clear Writer's Block and Find Your Creative Flow and finally The Art and Science of Lightbulb Moments.
As an author myself,
I know that books are kind of like children.
I want to know which is your favorite of all your books and why?
That's a lovely question.
And I knew you were going to ask that.
Isn't that funny?
So there you go.
As part of being tuned in,
We kind of know what's coming.
Well,
My mother used to say,
Because I'm one of seven children,
She was born to Irish Catholic parents and she was often asked that question,
Which of your children is the favorite?
And she'd never be drawn and said they're all my favorite.
So they're all kind of my favorite because they've all got a story behind them.
So Blocks,
For example,
Was my first nonfiction book and I became on Block by writing it.
But I said,
The one that gives me the most joy to tell you the story of how it got written was This We Know.
It's only a 12,
000 word book.
I didn't plan to write it and it just came in.
I was driving down on holiday and I got a message from a medium called Suzanne Penny.
She sent me a channel poem about the secret man.
And I'll put the underneath the show notes.
I'll put the video of this poem.
And it talked about the secret man coming out from the shadows.
And the next day,
This book just popped in and I started writing it and I couldn't stop it coming in.
It came in on the 2nd of September and I had the physical print copy in my hand on the 17th of September.
So it just came in,
Got published straight away.
And it was my first book where it wasn't like a workbook.
A lot of the books were,
If you turn this handle,
This comes out the other end,
Quite procedural.
They were like workshop manuals with exercises and all that sort of stuff.
This was the first pure philosophy book.
What does Tom think?
What does this strange man who was an engineer who learned a few spiritual tricks think?
And it was my take on the idea behind it is that we know this amount of stuff.
There's a lot of stuff that we don't know.
But what we're going to know in the future is based on what we find out in the meantime.
And where we're going to go in a hundred years time is dependent on what we're imagining right now.
And so what we can do is imagine this world now and then our antecedents,
Our people that come after us will inherit that world.
And if you believe in reincarnation,
Some of those people might be us coming back.
You never know.
Very cool.
So if any of our listeners wanted to get a hold of This We Know,
How can they find this wonderful book?
All through our website,
Tomevans.
Co,
Not.
Com or.
Co.
Uk.
It's just tomevans.
Co and you'll find it there.
I've also now this year produced it as an audiobook as well.
Very cool.
What is your right brain training and of all the subjects you have studied and mastered,
What do you think contributes the most to your being such a magician in today's world?
Well,
No one's really asked me about my magicianship on The Zone Show.
So let me be overt as opposed to covert about this for the first time.
So when all this magic stuff started kicking off,
I went on a few courses.
There was a lovely lady called Lisa Turner.
I did a lovely course with her which was called How to Be Psychic.
And I didn't go on the course to become psychic.
I'm not even really comfortable with the word.
I prefer the word that Rudolf Steiner uses called super sensible when we have these other sensitivities that we can tune into.
And we all got these.
We know about our gut and our heart and ideas off the top of our head.
But we sometimes just throw them away as casual linguistic references.
Whereas if you get an idea off the top of your head,
That's where it's come from.
I knew a lady who could see auras and she could see thought forms coming into your head,
Which is lovely.
Anyway,
So I went on these courses.
And I found that very quickly all the things she spoke about did switch on in me.
And I found that really intriguing.
But there's only so far that she could take me.
So I found some other schools.
And they're all correspondent schools.
There's one in California called Builders of the Adetum,
BOTA,
B-O-T-A.
And that's the legacy of an amazing chap called Paul Foster Case,
Who is an amazing Kabbalist,
Came straight out of the Western Mystery School tradition.
And so I studied the tarot.
I studied the Tree of Life,
The Cube of Space,
All of these glyphs,
That kind of mechanistic male magic stuff.
And at the same time,
I discovered an ascension school in Germany called the Kryon School,
Which is all about angelic entities,
Very female magic.
And as far as I know,
I'm probably one of the only people in the world that studied with both these schools.
And so I've got this strange synthesis of this female angelic magic,
Which is kind of coming in through the right brain,
And the male magic,
Which is the turn this handle and then that will happen,
Coming into the left brain.
And then I synthesize the whole lot of them into this other new amalgam.
Neat.
Tom,
Many successful people today maintain regular daily routines that help them stay on track.
For example,
Mark Zuckerberg,
The founder of Facebook,
Is famous for only wearing gray hoodies,
So he doesn't have to decide what to wear every day.
What are the little daily routines that you include that help you stay in your zone and maintain a high vibration on a daily basis?
Well,
That's a great question.
The first thing that happens,
I've been together with my life partner for over about 35 years now.
So the first thing that happens is one of us gets up and makes breakfast and takes it to bed.
So we have not a fried breakfast or anything like that,
Just a fairly healthy breakfast with some muesli or fruit juice and that sort of stuff.
So the day starts with one of us doing a loving thing to the other one,
Which is just great.
Then depending on the age of our dogs,
We've got three dogs.
At the moment,
We've got one very aged one who needs to be walked separately from the other two that need a longer walk.
So one of us does a longer walk with the two able dogs and one does the shorter walk with the other dog.
And then I will meditate and sometimes I'm probably meditating on the walk most of the time,
So I meditate and then I'll do something creative because I'm a morning creative person.
So up to about 11,
11.
30,
I'm always producing something.
It's either a chapter of a book,
A blog,
Recording one of my meditations,
Creating a bit of a module for one of my courses,
That kind of thing.
So I'll do one of those things up to about 11 every day.
And then from 11 through to about three,
I might do some work one to one with some clients.
Then there's another dog walk between three and four o'clock.
And then between four and six o'clock is when I have these magical conversations with people on the Zone Show.
And so that's pretty much it.
And then in the evening,
It's cooking some nice food.
We're both great cooks.
We love eating well.
We love a lovely glass of wine and some of that warm English beer and that sort of stuff.
So it's almost like a casual hedonism,
If you know what I mean,
Which is kind of good.
Tom,
If there was one problem you could wave a magic wand and eliminate in this world,
What would it be and why?
Well,
I think the problem I would like to eliminate is caused by the duality.
We live in a duality where two things happen.
One is if you have a thought,
Then somewhere in the world a not thought exists.
So if you have the thought of hunger,
Somewhere else you've got the thought of obesity.
And it's really strange.
And I wrote about this in this book,
This We Know,
That there's a billion people that are overweight and there are a billion people that are hungry.
Ten percent of the people in the world have 90 percent of the wealth and 90 percent have got 10 percent of the wealth.
Now these are like stats.
They're quite generalistic stats.
But they're caused by the fact we live in this duality.
And so I'd love the nature of the duality change so there's more equality right across the whole planet.
And it's really weird having this conversation on the day that the British have decided to leave the EU.
And I think what's happened,
I voted to stay in,
But I think people have probably fell out of love not with being part of Europe,
But being part of this big organization that's got a bit behemoth even,
And it's got a bit unwieldy,
And the rules and regulations seem quite draconian.
So the EU probably needs to evolve and will evolve as part of it.
But I'd love to see a United States of the world where everyone is equal,
Everyone has the access to it.
We live on an amazing planet with amazing resources.
And I'd love to make way of a magic one where hunger disappears.
We stop spending all this money on military spending because it's a trillion pounds a year on just America alone.
That's a lot of mouths that can be fed.
That's a lot of health care that can be dispensed.
I'd love to see dogma disappearing as well.
I respect everyone's belief.
I'm agnostic,
So I believe in the existence of a God energy,
But certainly don't believe in any dogmatic religion in following,
Or even Buddhism,
This thing I don't follow.
I'm independent of all these kind of structures.
And certainly it's not right to kill people in the name of this alleged God.
So I'd love to see that all disappearing.
I'd love to see it all disappearing at the same time.
And actually one of the things I wrote about in this,
We know,
Is getting a female pope in because I think a female pope would sort a lot of things out.
One of the things that is so rewarding in this interconnected world we live in is the ability to make friends with like-minded people.
What are the qualities of your best friends and what do you do to maintain your friendships?
Well I'm very fortunate,
I live in an amazing village about 30 miles outside London.
Upper hill about 450 foot off and the village is very isolated.
We have power cuts quite a lot of the time.
We haven't got mains drainage,
We haven't got gas supply.
So we've got a lovely community.
And so there's a lot of fun in my world.
So my,
You know,
If it's not fun I don't want to do it.
And I suppose that's really the answer to your question is bringing fun into everything.
And especially when you work at walk in these spiritual circles.
I'm not even,
You know,
I said I'm not comfortable with the word psychic,
I'm also uncomfortable with the word spiritual because we're just humans.
We're spirits having a human journey.
So this idea of spirituality can be quite isolating.
And people can be very worthy about it as well.
And so I just like the idea that this stuff doesn't have to be hard.
That's what I wrote about in the book New Magic for a New Era,
That enlightenment doesn't have to be hard.
We can enjoy ourselves on the course to spiritual enlightenment or whatever,
Take the word spiritual enlightenment,
Just enlightenment in general,
And have a good time.
And it's not about having this existence on earth and then going up to heaven.
It's about bringing heaven down to the earth plane.
That's the job and the opportunity we have in front of us.
And having fun and laughs at the same time.
Now that brings me perfectly to my next question,
Which is that many people are searching for joy in their lives to feel happier.
What makes you feel happy?
What makes me feel happy is actually seeing people who think that there's a lot of resistance and adversity in their lives and actually just realizing it's all a lesson.
And then when you get to this transcendence,
So there's only two sort of events that might ever happen.
One where you something good happens,
Which is confirmation that you're on path,
And one where something not so good happens.
So when something not so good happens,
Most people will go and internalize.
Self-thought will switch on.
They might have thoughts of revenge and anger,
Lack of self-worth,
And that kind of thing when something happens.
Or they might think that the world's out to get them.
Well actually the world's just there as a reflection of what's going on internally.
And once you realize that your internal thoughts are projected out into the world and then reflected back to you,
All you've got to do is change your thoughts.
And the key to doing that is to enter the no-mind state through meditation.
And I believe in this so strongly,
As you know,
Is that I felt that meditation was gifted to me in my mid-forties.
And then I got discovered by this amazing app called Insight Timer.
And I assumed that I was an author with a few meditations and the meditations were accessories to my book.
I had no idea they were so powerful until the lovely people at Insight Timer found me.
And they've been up there now for nearly a year.
And they really help people out and they're free.
It's my gift for all the blessings I've had back to the world.
And it's a gift which is what I call nicely infectious.
So people that get it are then nicer to other people.
Then the world is nicer to them and it spins from there.
And that's the other question of what sort of world.
That's the world where everyone is.
.
.
I don't want to be able to go give all their possessions away or anything crazy like that or go and sit in an ashram or a cave for 20 years in isolation.
That's a spiritual path,
But it's only one spiritual path.
I want the world where it's a good place to be and everyone's having a good time.
Yeah,
I did one of your meditations this morning on Insight Timer and just loved it.
Now,
Tom,
One day we will all pass away,
Hopefully no time soon.
When your physical body has passed on,
What do you hope to be your legacy for this lifetime?
Well,
That's a great question.
And I suppose the main legacy,
That's one of the great things about being an author,
Is that it's said that the only thing you can take with you is your evolution and the only thing you can leave behind is your art.
And the reason I'm producing so much is I want to leave a lot of stuff behind.
And a lot of my stuff now comes from the wisdom of people like Rudolf Steiner,
Paul Foster Case,
As I mentioned to you,
Manon Blavatsky,
Immanuel Swedenborg,
Thomas Aquinas,
And all of those amazing mystics that have left some fantastic things behind.
And the legacy I'd like to be left behind is that that man left a lot of breadcrumb trails because,
And the reason I say that is that in my books,
And this is all part of the esoteric tradition in my books,
I'm probably giving only 20% away of the stuff I've learnt.
And that's not that I'm holding 80% back,
But the whole point of this journey has to be learned and experienced.
So I can leave lots of trails,
I can talk about certain things,
But the two esoteric schools I study with,
There's certain things that are only allowed to be passed on by oral tradition.
And that's for two lots of safety.
One is that the safety doesn't fall into the wrong hands,
And two,
Pretty powerful stuff,
And if you put this stuff in the wrong brain,
It could cause a bit of havoc for that person and people around them.
So it's very ethical,
The work that we have to do when we're working at this level.
And so yeah,
Leaving breadcrumb trails for other people to follow,
And for them to then leave other breadcrumb trails behind as a result.
If you could describe your unique worldview,
Because of course we all have a way that we see the world,
And of course the way I see the world,
I think is the best.
And how would you describe it?
Because we all have this way of looking at things,
And we can get very stuck in our mindset.
So part of the reason that we do things like listen to the Zone Show podcast and read your books is to open up and realize that maybe there's another point of view beyond our own.
Well,
You heard that point of view about the difference between an optimist and a pessimist,
And a pessimist will see a glass as half empty,
And an optimist will see a glass as half full.
And I love that definition also that an optimist is a pessimist without all the facts,
Which is a lovely side thing.
So my view is that we all have a glass which is over brimming,
And it's always topping itself up.
So there's no half full state,
There's no half empty state,
There's an over brimming state.
Very cool.
As a species,
Tom,
We're becoming more and more interconnected,
Thanks to the internet and the information people can learn from your books and your podcasts.
What do you think we as humans can do to raise a level of awareness,
Literally to raise a level of consciousness on the planet and contribute to peace on Earth?
Well,
We're going through an amazing transition right now,
And this has been the core of my latest year or so's work.
I read a book by Rudolf Steiner,
He wrote over 100 years ago called How to Know the Higher Worlds,
And in it he describes another book called Cosmic Memory as well,
And you take the two books together,
There's a very nice synthesis of where we're going as humans and also where we came from,
And he talks a lot about in the theotheophacist tradition the idea of root races as how we are now at the fifth or sixth root race level and we're going to evolve to another state as well.
And what's happened in the past with humans is we've evolved in a kind of organic,
Experimental way,
But now because we've got this amazing level of self-awareness and interconnectedness,
Unlike probably any other species on the planet apart from dolphins and that kind of thing,
We have the ability to change our own evolution.
Now some materialist scientists are doing some fantastic stuff with genetics and epigenetics,
I'm talking about a slightly different thing from that,
And what happened about a million or so years ago,
Humans on the planet,
Humanoids on the planet gained this ability to speak,
So I'm now speaking to you,
So I'm having some thoughts,
They're coming,
They're vibrating my voice box,
They're going into your ears,
And then you're having some thoughts based on those voice vibrations,
So it's a kind of telepathy,
But we don't think about it,
We just take it for granted,
And some people take it very much for granted,
But all they do is speak,
Speak,
Speak,
Speak,
And they're just in external self-thought mode.
But what's happening is,
What happened when that happened was we took conscious control of our fifth chakra point,
The throat,
From our sixth chakra,
Which is the third eye,
The knowing centre,
Sometimes fed from the crown,
And we're just about to fold back down,
And Steinle describes this in his book,
That we're folding down,
So we're taking control of our heart chakra point,
Conscious control of our heart chakra,
And the lower chakras below that.
Now,
In one of the courses I've generated called Heartful Living,
It shows you how to take control of your heart chakra,
And when you do that,
An amazing ray emanates from your heart,
And I've discovered at least three applications for it.
The first application is you can heal anyone,
Anywhere on the planet by remote,
And my best healing has now augmented itself,
It was a budgie in Vancouver with the lovely Junie Squadron,
I've now healed a second budgie as well.
So you just beam your heart ray out and it heals people at a distance,
Space and time,
And go backwards and forward in time.
The other thing you can do with it is you can attract your soulmate just by switching it on,
And the other really cool thing you can do with it,
And this is the engineer in me having fun with all this kind of spiritual stuff,
Is let's say you're going into a tense meeting where you know it's going to be a bit antagonistic,
You can beam your heart ray to the other people's hearts inside the meeting,
And the atmosphere is completely changed when you get there,
And it works an absolute treat,
And I've talked to loads of people that do it,
And I've got some lovely stories every week of someone saying that meeting I was having with the lawyers about the divorce,
It was all calm,
Everyone was calm,
Because I just sent my unconditional love to everybody in the room before we got there,
Worked a treat.
And these are just some of the things you can do with it,
And I'm starting to experiment with some of the things you can do with the solar plexus,
Sacral and root chakra stuff,
But in the same way that before we got speech,
We didn't know what it would be like after we got speech,
Until we get complete control of the heart chakra,
We won't know the things we can do with it.
So once again,
For our listeners,
Where can they learn to open their heart as you described and to activate the energy of their own heart rate?
Well that's under my website again,
Www.
Tomevans.
Co and slash courses,
You'll find it as one of the courses in there,
One of the many courses I've generated.
And that course is?
It's called Heartful Living.
Wonderful,
And our listeners can access that.
Yeah,
But there's something a bit cooler with that that I've just done.
So I'm immortal,
I might have some magical qualities,
But just being on planet Earth is magical,
You know,
We are stardust that's coalesced into this form,
That's able to look back at the stars and then work out where we came from,
That's pretty magical in its own right,
Just being alive here is a magical thing in its own right,
Having this Skype conversation is a magical thing,
This is all quantum magic that we're playing with here.
But I'm mortal and my eyesight started deteriorating about two or three years ago,
And I got diagnosed three months ago with having pretty bad cataracts.
So because I live in the Western world,
I've got access to all of the healthcare that I need with the NHS,
We've got the NHS at the moment anyway,
I managed to get my eyesight fixed,
I've got absolutely pure clarity now in my eyes.
And as I left the operating table,
It was only last Wednesday,
I said to the surgeon,
No more eyes to do then.
And he said,
No,
That's it for life now,
Tom,
You have pure vision for life.
And as soon as I said that,
I went hang on a minute,
There's another eye,
Isn't there,
It's the third eye.
So the day after I wrote this blog called Cataracts of the Third Eye,
And how the stuff that I do and other spiritual teachers help you clear your cataract for the third eye.
And then I had an amazing light bulb moment when this course I sell is about £99,
So it's $140 or so.
And I knew that there was a train that went round in India and Africa,
China,
Pakistan,
Several trains that go out,
And they fixed cataracts.
And in the developing world,
If you get a cataract,
You go blind.
And for £50,
So half the cost of this course,
We can actually clear someone's eyesight in the developing world.
So I'll connect you with the charity,
Explain what I want you to do.
And so I've just launched this week,
Anybody that invests in this course in the developed world that would give them a better third eye sight and also clarity in their other mind centres as well,
Because I go from the root all the way up to the crown and beyond.
I even activate now chakras outside the body.
Everyone that invests in that course,
They're going to get a fantastic benefit from doing it.
I will donate £50 to clear the sight in somebody in the developing world.
And for our listeners who would like to donate to this charity,
Where can they go to donate and support people?
Just go to tomevans.
Co.
Uk slash courses and you'll find Heart for Living at the top.
And also I'll put a link down below to the Virgin Money Giving page where we're just showing how much money we're raising and how many people's eyes are being fixed.
And thank you for your very generous donation,
Catherine.
Wonderful.
And final thoughts,
Tom,
Now that you can your physical eyesight has shifted,
Has something shifted in you internally that has allowed you to see anything differently?
Yeah,
I got is a massive vision,
Really.
It was literally that it was a literally an improved vision,
But also metaphorically,
As you said before,
You know,
What was this legacy you want to leave behind?
And I've been gifted with this amazing ability to build very complex websites.
I've got my own hosting structure that's got all the courses in it.
And,
You know,
There's hours and hours of videos and audios and all sorts of stuff.
So got this ability to build the physical stuff to run this podcast channel,
To edit all of these shows together.
But also everything we do leaves this breadcrumb trail behind.
So it's kind of it's just a lovely,
It's a lovely gift to have.
And it's lovely to be a gifted back and what I find is as the more gifting you've put out there,
The more that comes back.
So it's a kind of lovely exponential curve that I've started to go on.
It's taken about 15 years for me to,
To get the legacy of materials together.
And now I have the legacy.
My dream is to do even more of this.
I'm already thinking of how other courses I've got can help other dis eases.
I don't mean a disease.
I mean a dis ease.
So I've got some meditations I know that will help people with dementia.
I've got some meditations that help with PTSD and ADHD and that kind of thing,
OCD.
And also I've got this lovely course that changes the speed of time.
And I'm trying to think how I can use that for people that might have shortness of time.
So maybe they've got a terminal illness to really enjoy the days and weeks and months they've got left.
So I'm trying to work out how we can do that.
But in this new world,
What I find is that once I have the,
Once the idea pops in that wouldn't it be nice to do that,
All you've got to do is to allow the solution to arrive.
So I'm just putting it out there right now on the podcast.
This is what I want to do.
I've got hours and hours of materials that could be shared and to help us lift ourselves up from our bootstraps.
So if anybody's got a charity that will resonate with any of my work,
Then just get in touch and we'll make some magic happen.
Thank you so much,
Tom Evans.
And for all our listeners out there,
How can they find out more about you and your magical work?
Well,
I'm all over the internet under a character called the bookwright,
Because what happened,
My transition from engineer through to whatever it is I'm doing now,
I became an author's mentor.
And then once you get on the internet known as one thing,
Then it's pretty difficult to change it.
So I'm all over the internet,
Facebook,
Twitter,
Instagram,
All these sort of things as the bookwright.
And the book I'm writing or writing at the moment is the book of people's lives,
I like to think,
As well as I still do work with authors.
I'm working with an amazing author at the moment coming up with a book on coincidences and how these wonderful things happen.
But I'm also Tom Evans dot co dot www.
Tomevans.
Co is the other place to find me.
And if you just put Tom Evans into Google,
There's millions of Tom Evans out there.
But because I know about this thing called SEO,
I'm an engineer,
I think I'm about the top Tom Evans that comes up on Google search.
So I'm pretty hard not to find.
Thank you so much everyone for listening and we wish you the best and we appreciate the magical magician Tom Evans for sharing some of his many secrets with us today.
And I appreciate you asking all the right questions in the right order and being very gentle with me.
Thank you,
Catherine.
For anyone that's interested,
Catherine Carrigan,
Our gracious host today,
Is an amazing healer too.
You'll find her at CatherineCarrigan.
Com and you'll also find an interview on The Zone Show on her new book,
Unlimited Intuition Now,
Really worth checking out.
Thanks again,
Catherine,
For being a wonderful Zone Show host.
