How did you begin to realize that you could actually unravel somebody's physical pain so they were pain free?
When did I realize?
I think it was over 10 years that this whole process sort of came together.
And the first real experience of it,
Like I'd started learning kinesiology,
Alternative therapies,
And starting to realize that there was more than just maybe physical manipulation or physical medicine or cures to deal with physical symptoms.
And when I was at the Prapashana meditation,
It was a 10 day silence retreat where you're just meditating for 11 hours a day.
And in that,
You're feeling parts of the body and I started to feel inside and I was playing with it a little bit because you don't have much to do in that whole time.
You're just having an internal experience.
And then my hips started unraveling and by that point I started learning some kinesiology techniques.
So I knew that was possible but it was just happening when I was putting my focus and attention on it and certain maybe intentions that I was putting on it.
It started happening and so I let that retreat open.
Like I had this inkling that there was something there but I didn't know how to access it fully.
It was just basically playing different experiences over the 10 years and I think I got to January this year and I just went,
Okay,
I have this course I want to build.
I need a physical,
I got emotional unraveling technique,
I need a physical one.
I just put it out to the universe,
Guides,
My higher self,
Whoever.
I was like,
Help me.
I want something in a week's time because I'm kind of over holding this in the back burner.
And in that week I started getting pain and I started playing with it and I realized that they'd actually given it to me back in July.
I'm a bit slow sometimes when they give me messages and I'm like,
Oh they give me songs and I'm singing them for a week and then I realized when I started getting annoyed.
Oh there's a message,
I'm sorry.
The words are wrong anyway and once I realized the message the song stopped.
I always think my guides are behind me smacking my head or shaking their heads just going,
Oh my God,
Just catch on.
But they gave me that technique through a series of experiences and I started playing with it and I thought,
Okay,
Well the next thing to do is to see if I can replicate that other people.
So in January I started that and it's just been going the last five months.
It's been a very interesting experience.
And so physical pain is usually a symptom of something deeper,
Right?
Yes.
Well it's just a symptom,
Right?
And the only thing that's activating that pain is your own nerves.
So if your nerve,
If you were like say quadriplegic or whatever,
You wouldn't even feel that.
You wouldn't have that experience.
It's totally your peripheral nervous system and your brain just creating that to tell you something is not quite right.
Right.
And it could be a variety of things,
A variety of reasons why it might be.
It's just telling you it's not right,
Something's not right.
And then what we normally do is go,
Oh I don't like that,
I'll just kill or distract myself or something.
When I think what it really wants you to do is put your attention on it and be with it and maybe even listen to it.
It's kind of a little bit abstract to say that.
But yeah,
Just be and listen to it and it's kind of like a relationship,
Right?
Someone is acting up.
But I read somewhere recently like what you argue about is not actually what you're arguing about.
It's usually something deeper and you just have like a real deep way to connect back to someone is to just go what's really going on and sit with them and listen.
It's kind of the same with your body,
Similar relationship.
So you're actually helping someone to connect with their pain as if it's in a sense something separate that they can like with the analogy of a relationship,
Right?
So it's like I'm going to connect with you and say what the frig man?
Maybe not less right now.
Something like I'm willing to hear what you have to say right now.
That's probably a better way to put it without getting more trigger.
Yeah,
It is kind of like that and I think that's what I've noticed because for me personally when I did the technique it was quite a silent experience and you feel tremors happening somewhere.
And then on the other side you feel like pulsation and then energy moving out into that.
And when I started working on people and seeing whether they would get the same results I noticed some people would get stuck.
And then it would be like well what does your body want to do?
They go I notice a motion coming up.
How could you express that?
We were just kind of,
I was just kind of playing.
But it turned out to be the thing that I probably most wanted to do that I didn't know I wanted to do.
And just having people express certain things or shake or like their body actually wants to stretch or their body wants to be moving again and shake that energy up.
Or someone needs to say something like I'm a distant.
I've had a couple people say I hate you.
I've had to say that to someone or they never got to express that perhaps in the past and now they've got that time.
And whatever that,
I don't know,
I call it a wound or sometimes I call it the elephant.
It's like the elephant inside a new environment.
The elephant in the room.
Yeah the elephant in the room and the body is trying to rearrange around this elephant.
But when you finally let the elephant go then the body can just go back to normal because it's always trying to balance out.
It has that self-righting mechanism but it's not aware enough to know that that elephant is in the way.
Yeah well it's kind of like if you in feng shui,
Right,
In someone's house sometimes they're super attached to this one object that you can see they're rearranging their whole house around this object.
And hence if they just released and let go the flow would be created,
Right.
It's very,
You can see it's like a symptom in that space.
So as you're guiding people,
Right,
And they're discovering and you said they might shake it off,
Right.
Do you play,
I like to play what's your name song.
I don't know what her name is now.
You know,
Shake it off,
Shake it off,
Whatever cool is.
Is it a Haytus song or something?
Taylor Swift.
Haytus,
Oh yeah.
Right.
Taylor Swift.
Taylor Swift.
I lost you on the sound.
There you go.
Can you hear me?
I can because it helps when the ear piece falls off.
Just shake it off.
You can shake it off,
Shake it right off.
Or yelling,
Right?
Yes.
Some people are yelling.
Facing that anger.
Yes.
Yeah,
And some people get really embarrassed by that because you know,
Who wants to be,
Like most people come to the session not knowing,
And I don't know either,
Whether the person's going to need an emotional release or sound or some kind of physical movement.
But I try to deal with them and we close our eyes so they can have that moment.
But it can be quite embarrassing to have that.
I know that from experience,
Like before all this,
I did a few little things like tigress yoga,
Breath work and things like that.
I was in classes where people were screaming their heads off.
They were uninhibited going through it and I'm like having little moments because I couldn't fully release.
It's something you build up to just having that freedom to allow yourself to move and express how you,
You know,
In that moment.
And I think that that's my theory,
You know,
Like it would come with time whether this is something quite solidified.
But in that moment where you had an injury or that mysterious back pain or mysterious something pain,
Did something happen that you weren't able to fully express or feel or give yourself permission to?
Did you avoid something inside of yourself?
And then that solidified and then the body started compensating around it,
You know,
Trying to balance around this elephant again.
And then in that releasing,
You let that go and then suddenly the body's like,
Oh my God,
Like the thing was in the way and I couldn't get around it.
Anyway,
That's my theory behind it because that's what I've learned.
I'm working backwards.
I'm back engineering this where I'm noticing people's healing or they can,
I'll go,
What's the pain now?
They go,
It's gone from three down to one now.
And it's like we're always referencing a rating of a pain or the pain's changed now.
It's gone from an aching now to a heat and you know,
Things like that.
And we're always,
If it's shifting,
We know that's good.
And if it's not shifting,
We know we haven't got the right thing.
And it's kind of like talking to a mute person like your body because you're like,
What does it want now?
And you're trying to,
It's like the 20 questions.
Do you want this now?
Do you want that?
And suddenly like they'll go,
Oh,
This memory came up and I'm like,
Okay,
Good.
Let that be there.
And I keep feeling those parts,
Keep breathing everything.
And then they're like,
I feel really,
I don't know,
Angry or frustrated.
It's like,
Okay,
What's the noise we can make to express that?
And yeah,
And then suddenly they're like,
Yep,
It's shifted.
And I'm like,
Okay,
Good.
I don't even know myself.
I'm just like working with it.
But it's good that I think it's good because they actually get to know themselves better.
And they start to develop that relationship with their own body.
And I think that's important because they can't keep relying on me.
They can't keep calling me up,
Everything,
Something.
It's a relationship they need to develop themselves.
Yeah.
It's like you said,
If you're in a partnership with somebody and you're having a relationship,
You've got to find that sweet spot in your relationship where you're feeling comfortable versus having to rely on someone else.
Have you ever had that experience where like you just tell people like not to accept it?
You know what I mean?
Instead of going inward saying like,
Can you just let it go?
Are they willing to just.
.
.
Yeah.
Like I do say during the technique,
I try to keep saying during the whole process,
Not needing to fix anything,
Just letting it be there.
And I feel like that.
And then I think also breathing.
I think they are kind of similar because you're no longer with this attachment to get rid of it.
Because it's funny like that desire to get rid of it actually separates you from it.
It's an entity that you've got to eradicate.
But it's your own body having a response telling you I'm not happy.
So I feel like it's kind of like that.
I don't say like,
I'll just let it go.
Maybe because they don't understand that at that point.
Not to like define yourself by this pain or that this is me now.
But I feel like it's similar in that I just say,
Well,
No need to fix it.
Just let it be there.
It's just a sensation.
It's like when I do the emotional one,
It's like it's just an emotion.
Anger is just anger.
It's just what you make it mean.
And it's the same with the pain.
It's like pain is just pain.
And people go,
Oh,
But it could be something serious.
And it's like,
Wow,
There's a lot of silent diseases.
You could say like symptoms that you can't see and that are quite deadly.
It can be quite scary for people.
Or things can go terribly wrong,
I mean.
And so,
You know,
Like the symptoms don't actually mean reality or how serious something is.
And it's to know the difference between them.
There's some diseases that,
You know,
Like people with myalgia and things like that,
Where it's quite painful for people.
But there's nothing actually,
The doctors can't find anything.
And that's where I suspect that there's probably an emotional cause or something else.
Because the doctors are looking at just physical things.
That's the way that their model is set up.
Right.
And so that's another thing I'd like to share.
Like if you have a mysterious pain,
It's most likely not physical.
Like if you have an accident and you get pain,
You know that that's the cause.
But if you have something afterwards and it's mysterious,
Comes out of the blue,
Then you might need to look deeper.
You might need to look a little bit left field on what that might be about.
Rather than thinking,
I just need to get rid of this pain and go see a chiropractor.
Or,
You know,
Just crack it or manipulate it or something.
Anyway,
Yeah.
So you have had the experience where just that since our body is not a mechanical structure,
Like,
You know,
Science wanted to say,
You know,
Decades ago,
Is that somebody,
Let's say,
Could have a pain in their shoulder.
But their pain in their shoulder might be totally related to something else.
Other than,
You know,
That there's actually maybe even a release going on in some other part of their body also,
As well as the pain dissipating in the shoulder.
Is that right?
Yes.
And so,
Like with the shoulder thing,
I had a,
I remember this is before I did this technique.
I was doing kinesiology and I was just starting to practice on people.
So my friend came and I was working on the shoulder.
We did all the techniques.
She said,
It's still there,
But I was,
You know,
It's coming up.
And then suddenly this emotion came up.
I think it was sadness or grief or something.
And I said,
How are you going with your ex?
And just broke up with her.
She's just like,
Ahh.
And then,
Because he'd left her and gone traveling the world without her.
And she carried on,
You know,
Soldiered on.
And then this mysterious shoulder pain came and,
This all unravels as you get to the end.
But then she started crying,
So of course they get tissues and we'll just let it happen.
And then she goes,
Oh,
By the way,
The shoulder pain's gone.
And I'm like,
Oh,
Okay.
And it was kind of those experiences where you're like,
Really?
And it's not saying that every pain is an emotional cause.
Right.
But,
You know,
It can be.
It could be something like that.
It could be something you don't even,
I think she denied,
She didn't want to think about leaving.
So she didn't ever make that connection because she was trying to keep it out of her mind.
And then the shoulder's going,
Hey,
Hey.
Right.
Look at me.
I'm unhappy.
You're unhappy.
Something,
You know,
There's something that needs to be expressed or released.
And when she expressed it,
It was like,
Oh,
Done.
Shoulder pain gone.
Yeah,
And so your body is a whole unit.
It's not a,
Just a structure.
And it has,
It's,
Like I have things where I'm feeling pain.
I'm like,
Oh,
My shoulder's out and I'll be feeling it.
And something will happen in my little toe and I'm like,
Part of me goes,
You know,
I get energy,
Yes.
And so the other part of me goes,
Logically,
Like how's the toe connected to the,
Is that toe connected to the bone?
Yeah,
It goes up.
But it really is.
There's this whole other thing going on and there's physical,
There's energetic,
There's emotional,
There's your mind.
There's all sorts of things.
And there's interactions with other people.
There's so much more that we could open up to of what really is going on.
And using the pain,
The things that are happening in our body to give us that reflection.
Yeah,
And I think,
And correct me if I'm wrong.
So if I'm,
Again,
I'm looking at your backdrop.
So if the pain is the center and if somebody is unaware or turning the cheek and saying it's minor,
You know,
That it's like each circle that goes around it,
It's like things get piled on top until it becomes more severe.
So severe to the point where they go,
Okay,
Now I need to do something.
But way back when,
If they were aware,
It was just a tiny little experience.
Yeah,
It's really like a little pain.
And then as it kept all these little things that are happening,
Creating this pattern,
And by the time it gets to here,
It's like,
Oh,
It's really hurting me now and maybe I should do something about it.
But it was probably giving you,
Kind of like how they were showing me that this technique was months ago.
It was like,
I showed you before.
Do we have to give you pain to get you to realize that this technique is here?
No.
It was like,
Okay,
I get it.
I get it.
Yeah,
And it came out like I had someone I was working on the other night and he had an injury and he was really good about it.
He went into a physio,
He let it rest,
He didn't go to sports class for months,
But he still had that pain,
He healed,
He tore something,
He healed.
And we worked on it and he had the knee pain and then the back showed up.
And then the back needed to unravel and then the glute showed up and then that needed to unravel.
And when that unraveled,
It all just,
You guys,
Oh,
It's gone now.
And for people who have an emotional,
See,
He didn't have any emotional stuff about it because he just,
I think he was quite mindful with his body.
But there was some structure that he needed to notice this connection between them.
