Podcast - Heart Centered Leadership And Synchronistic Miracles

Welcome and thanks for listening to Truth Wisdom Freedom Conversations.

Each week I'm joined by various conscious leaders as we discover more pathways in becoming heart-centered human beings.

This is your host,

Author and spiritual coach,

Johnson Chong.

Hi,

Philip.

How are you?

Good to see you,

My friend.

It's good to see you too.

Thank you so much for tuning in from Singapore.

My pleasure.

How's the weather there?

The weather goes from bloody hot with blue skies to storm clouds,

Which we had this morning,

Leading into a gray sky now.

I remember living in Singapore that the weather was just quite tempestuous and sudden.

Yeah,

At least I have a good view.

Even being locked in,

I still got a very good view because I look over Singapore,

Bokee and Marina Bay sand,

So I'm lucky.

Beautiful.

Well,

Thank you so much for spending this time and joining me on another episode of Truth Wisdom and Freedom Conversations.

And this conversation,

We're talking a lot about heart-centered leadership and about something that you call synchronistic miracles.

And I just wanted to introduce everyone who's tuning in a little bit about you.

You know,

We've communicated a little bit over the Internet and of course,

With COVID,

We're making lots of these quantum digital connections across the world.

And so what I loved about you when I was looking into what it is that you do is that you're someone who I consider a bridge,

Someone who basically translates the esoteric qualities of compassion,

Spirituality,

And you bring it more into the mainstream,

Into the corporate,

Into organizations.

I mean,

You have a master's in business research methods,

You have a PhD in synchronicity and leadership,

And you have this consulting company,

PMCG in Singapore.

And so I really admire how you're helping to what you call bring spirit into the workplace.

I mean,

You've spoken in 100 cities and 61 countries.

You've won prestigious speaking awards.

You started the Singaporean Happiness Conference,

The first happiness conference.

I mean,

You've done quite a bit.

So I would love to dive in with you about how you see heart-centered leadership from your lens and why it's so important now.

Okay.

We're in the middle of a shift and a change.

First of all,

Thank you for inviting me,

Johnson.

I'm very happy to share whatever I've got to share.

We'll see what I've got to share by the end of the show.

But I think we're in an age when people are shifting from head to heart.

Well,

Let me back up.

From just head to head and heart.

We have found both in organizations and actually just countries around the world that we need to listen to the heart as well as the head,

Meaning that head is where we come from a lot of the time because you've got to explain things in a logical way.

But we often make decisions by heart or intuition,

But we don't know that we do that.

And so now is the time to begin to marry and partner head and heart in the way that we live and the way that we make decisions.

So I've been working.

I don't know if your folks know the HeartMath Institute.

Sure.

Yeah,

The HeartMath Institute.

I've been with them for,

Gosh,

20 years.

I'm a certified consultant with them because when I was looking for,

Let's understand what the heart is saying about leadership,

About organizations,

About spiritual life.

HeartMath Institute was the only organization anywhere that was doing anything about that.

And so not only is it an aspiration in terms of we all know that we make decisions using the heart and using intuition,

But HeartMath Institute has done all the scientific research behind that.

So you want to share a little bit about some key science points that might be really interesting.

Not to put you on the spot here.

Very simply,

HeartMath Institute,

They are a very rigorous scientific research organization.

This is not just la la land that says go away for the weekend and meditate on your heart and everything will be fine.

These are folks that from the beginning in Boulder Creek and near San Francisco said,

We want to do the research that shows how heart links to the brain.

And they've shown that we really have a brain in the heart and that the heart is the organ that drives everything in the body,

Both physiologically to the brain and that's through a concept called heart coherence.

So that when the heart is coherent,

Meaning driving the physiology in a rhythmic,

Regular way,

That puts the brain in a state where the brain is clear,

Is open and reduces stress.

So they've been working,

As I say,

For 20,

25 years with some of the largest organizations in the world,

Particularly frontline health people,

Army,

Police,

To help people get into what we call heart coherence.

So when they make their decisions,

They're using both head and heart.

They're not just reacting.

Yeah,

And this is a big thing in our culture,

In modern culture.

We don't see it as Western or Eastern anymore because we're so global.

It's more really a disease of modern culture to over intellectualize things.

We're very philosophical in the way that we approach things.

And this balance between the two is very much necessary.

The beauty of the mind is that it can frame everything.

It can compartmentalize,

File and analyze.

And then the beauty of the heart is that it can feel.

And they use it a lot,

Johnson,

In terms of stress situations.

So all of us have,

When we are in fear,

As the world is at the moment,

Then we are in survival mode.

Now,

We were given survival mode to survive wild animals when our ancestors were growing in the plains and were confronting wild animals.

The problem with today's life is that we are confronting wild animals or stress at work on a regular basis without any release of the tension and the pressures.

So it's as if we move from one crisis to another crisis to another crisis in survival mode.

And what HeartMath,

With their scientific research,

Has been able to do is help people shift to coherence so they're not in constant stress.

But when you're not in constant stress and reactive mode,

Then you're a better leader,

Your teams are better,

Your organizations are better.

I mean,

First and foremost,

Don't forget,

I'm a leadership consultant.

I've been doing that since,

Gosh,

1980.

Before that,

I was a family therapist and marriage guidance counselor.

But since 1980,

I've been doing leadership stuff.

And if you look at my progress,

Because you can't teach what you don't experience,

And as over the years I've watched the world needing to shift into spirituality and shift into heart-based responses as well as logical responses,

Then that has guided my practice.

So I always like to keep up with what I'm experiencing.

Yeah,

Let's dive into that a little bit.

So what was the shifts that you needed to see in the world?

You said that you were a family guidance counselor at one point,

And then you moved into leadership.

So what was it that drew you into highlighting spirituality as the main driving force between peoples and mothers?

You're going to have to go back before I was working.

Both my parents were ministers in the Salvation Army.

So it requires that the guy can't just be the one that's the minister.

The wife has to be there too.

So I grew up with a very strong grounding in practical spirituality.

The Salvation Army says you can't just save a person's soul without thinking about their body and their needs and their difficulties.

So that really is a big part of who I am,

Deeped in spirituality from an early age,

And then said,

Whenever we move into any work that we do,

And this is very important for me,

Johnston,

Is a lot of people talk about bringing spirituality into the workplace.

Now that's the height of arrogance,

Because people that say that,

I say to them,

Oh,

You mean it wasn't there before you came?

So I like to say we are spiritual beings at different levels,

Different religions,

But what we're doing all of the time is bringing our spiritual self into decisions in the workplace.

So we're not introducing spirituality to the workplace.

We're actually helping uncover it so that people can be aware that it's there.

So what led me and guided me was that the more work that I did,

And I worked,

As I told you,

In 61 countries,

Always focused on how can people be better in their organizations,

Better leaders,

Better teams,

But that you can't do that unless you delve into what makes you who you are.

And we all of us show spiritual qualities in the workplace.

So I'm on a kind of a mission to help people be comfortable to recognize that.

This is one of the pillars of any sort of existential journey,

The Buddhist pillars.

Who am I?

Who are you?

What makes you up?

The light,

The shadows,

The conscious,

The unconscious parts of us.

And also,

I mean,

If you look into companies,

The values themselves that people share,

The mission that everyone collectively shared,

That is in itself very spiritual.

That's the overarching thing that binds everyone together.

It's bigger than the self.

Absolutely.

Spot on,

Johnson.

And the issue is,

I mean,

I'm sure you know about this,

But we're all trapped in a Newtonian world.

You know about the shift from Newtonian to quantum space.

So every.

.

.

Can you break that down a little bit for people who don't remember Newton,

That guy with the apple and the tree?

Yeah,

Yeah.

Newton was a great guy.

And before Newton,

The world certainly in the West was dominated by the church and by,

We're in touch with God,

And by the way,

God means you've got to do exactly what we the church say.

So people got fed up with that.

And the more scientific discovery happened,

And Newton is the essence of that,

Newton said,

Forget what the church say.

We actually are human beings.

We are matter.

God is not the center of the universe.

We are logical.

We can break down how the world works.

Because if we know that we are matter,

Then matter is separate from everybody else.

You could break it down so we have like a mechanical world.

And so in the 1400s,

1500s,

Isaac Newton,

Great guy,

Said,

Now let's work based on science.

But trying to get rid of God and trying to get rid of spirit wasn't successful.

Because there continued to be miracles happening,

Strange things happening,

Which didn't fit into any scientific medical mode.

So we are now in the middle,

It's been going on for a hundred years,

Where quantum physics has disproved the Newton way of looking at the world.

Meaning,

We're not separate at all,

We are energetically connected.

But if you break down the human body,

It's just energy.

99.

9% of who we are is energy,

Not matter.

So we're in the middle,

I mean,

It's just gathering space now,

It's been around for a hundred years.

But we're in the middle of a revolution that says let's pay attention to the fact that we are energy and what that means for organizations and being alive and being who we are.

I think this is so important that we're coming full circle with the sciences to recognize the more feminine aspects of the sciences.

That the yogis and ancient peoples knew about science,

That we cannot divorce matter and energy and the emotions and the thoughts,

That everything is interconnected.

And that's really what quantum means,

That's quantum science.

All of it is really,

It's a marriage of the masculine and the feminine.

And I love that,

You know,

As part of your mission statement,

Your whole MO in life is about creating the wholehearted,

You call the quantum leader,

The wholehearted quantum team.

And you say something about synchronistic miracles and to build partnerships,

Peace and prosperity between cultures.

So why is it so important for people,

Leaders,

Especially in organizations,

Corporates,

To embody this part of themselves that we sometimes think,

Oh,

We can't show that part at work.

Like what you said,

It's like it's already there.

It's just,

It's a matter of uncovering it and choosing to move and breathe and act and decide from that place.

Well,

Because of people have been taught the Newtonian way of looking at the world in the way organizations run.

When somebody says like,

I had a strange dream last night.

I think we should invest two million in Vietnam and not Cambodia,

Because my dream told me that.

You go and tell that to your boss,

Your boss is going to think you're crazy.

So that's why it's rejected because it's not part of the logical way in which we think.

But because now quantum physics is catching up and people are now,

As you quite rightly said,

Johnson,

People are linking what they used to call old wives tales around miracles with reality now in terms of science shows that because of the linking of masculine,

Feminine energy,

And because we are energy,

Then we can bring miracles into the workplace.

So it's rejected because people think it's crazy.

When you go to work and say,

Yeah,

I think we should hire that guy because I've got a good feeling in my heart.

People will say,

What the hell are you talking about?

Let's look at per CV.

Per CV will tell us exactly what we should or shouldn't hire from.

So all that is catching up with that now.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think it's really interesting this topic of synchronicity because we can also look at synchronicity from a place of the law of attraction or manifestation or it's really about frequency and what it is that we resonate out forth into the world.

And then that's going to come back in turn.

And so when we receive messages through dreams,

Let's say like,

For example,

I have this story of this.

I had a client who was working with energetically and subconsciously,

Unconsciously unraveling messages that were hidden.

And there were lots of spiders and eights and symbols that were related to eight.

And the next day,

You know,

There was eighty thousand dollars granted from the investment that was that was the project that was being worked on.

Right.

And then on the way home,

He saw he saw a bunch of eights everywhere and he had noticed that.

Right.

So these are these are synchronistic things or occurrences that happen if we can unlock that part of our consciousness to receive it.

Right.

So how do you look at synchronicity in relationship to the things that unfold in our lives?

Well,

How long do you want me to go on?

Synchronicity is my specialism.

So literally,

Synchronicity has happened to me in amazing ways.

And it's a skill and a quality that we all have.

Because quantum physics tells us we're all energetically entangled,

We now can begin to use synchronicity in our lives.

And I had strange things happen like ten to four here in Singapore one afternoon,

I looked,

I needed fifteen thousand dollars to balance the books for that month.

Ten minutes later,

A colleague of mine called from Amsterdam and said,

I got to go to Beijing next week,

But I can't make it.

Will you go for me?

I said,

Yeah,

No problem.

I'm free.

He said,

The good thing is the money is good.

It's fifteen thousand dollars.

So ten to four,

I needed fifteen thousand dollars.

Ten minutes later,

It came to me.

So I had,

And I could go on with so many stories,

I had so many things like that happen to me.

And then when I began to talk to my colleagues and clients and friends,

They had the same thing happen.

So I said,

OK,

I'm going to do my PhD.

Now,

I decided,

First of all,

To do a PhD in law of attraction.

But there was nothing scientifically justifiable around law of attraction.

There's not much written about it.

Synchronicity is exactly the same thing.

And there was lots written about synchronicity.

So for four years,

I did a PhD in synchronicity,

Interviewed people about strange things that happened to them,

And have now got a formula about why they happen,

How they happen.

And it's much more being written about.

So I'm still doing all the things I've done,

But I'm now adding to my consulting work in organizations,

Synchronicity and teams and miracles,

So that I'm using the formulas that I found in my PhD to help introduce people to say,

Stop worrying that you've had synchronicities in your life and you can't talk about them.

So my focus,

Johnson,

Is helping individuals in organizations be comfortable to talk about law of attraction.

I call it synchronicity because we now know how it works.

You speak a little bit to how the equation of miracles,

The equation of synchronicities work?

Well,

I mean,

It's still a lot of people disprove it and disagree with it.

But I had literally interviewed a variety of people about how it happened to them.

And what I know is that there are facilitating factors around synchronicity.

First of all,

The evidence for synchronicity is they continue to happen.

And synchronicity is about having answers to things that you're thinking about come in a non-logical way.

They just come out of the blue.

And so that's why people are still studying it,

Because they continue to happen.

Quantum physics is the bigger picture about why they happen,

Because if we are quantum entangled,

Then energy is entangled around the world.

And that's why it happens.

But what I found was people have synchronicity happen to them when they listen to their intuition.

Now,

It's interesting,

Johnson,

20 years ago,

Intuition,

Nowhere on the leadership agenda.

You go to any organizations these days,

Intuition is a leadership quality.

So we kind of made some progress.

And so synchronicity happens,

Number one,

When you are listening to your intuition.

Number two,

When you are in the present moment and in the flow,

When you are seeking and asking for support.

You're on a mission to say,

There's got to be an answer to what I'm looking for.

And you found it.

To assert intention.

So when you say you want something to happen,

So if you said I want to open my show in Adelaide,

And that's an intention that you have,

And then the following day looking out for clues in the world.

So you've got to believe that synchronicity happens.

The process of it,

The people that I talked to said,

First of all,

These things came out of the blue.

And I thought,

Wow,

That was strange.

How come I got delivered to me exactly what I wanted?

And they keep looking out.

And then another synchronicity comes.

I'm sure we've all had some sort of experience in our life where we're thinking about someone and that person calls us,

Right?

We all have experienced this in one way or another.

And,

You know,

Carl Jung,

You know,

Our master of the unconscious,

He says that synchronistic patterns are connected to the collective unconscious.

To the collective unconscious and to architects.

Obviously Jung was a major factor in my PhD.

So what I'm saying here is that we are now in a process for being able to try to explain or develop further and understand that my PhD,

I'm the first person in the world to do a grounded theory PhD on synchronicity and leadership.

And so what we're doing is saying to people,

You no longer have to ban these things that happen to you as just strange coincidences.

There is now a proven mechanism that shows how they happen and why they happen.

This is where for me,

Johnson,

It got into the area of spirituality too.

Now,

You don't have to be a spiritual person to believe in synchronicity.

But the conclusions that I came to from the people that I interviewed,

They said it tells me that,

Number one,

We are guided.

Because people had synchronousness happen to them that caused them to do something that they wouldn't otherwise have done,

That guided them on the way to a more meaningful life.

And that's the second thing.

Life is meaningful.

Third,

We are not alone because if synchronousness has happened to you out of the blue,

Then that says they're not made up.

There's a force bigger than you operating in the universe.

Now,

You can call what the hell you like.

You can call it quantum space.

You can call it the Akashic field.

Whatever it is you call it,

It shows to us that there is a force in the universe that somehow is on our side if we open to it and we listen to it.

And that ain't a million miles away from belief in God,

Right,

In terms of focus.

So that's where I am with this.

I mean,

I believe it myself.

And people choose not to believe it,

And that's fine.

But I have had enough experiences of it.

And now having done my PhD and listening to other people who,

Just as you said,

Everybody's had the experience of thinking of somebody and that happens.

And so I'm about now helping organizations,

Teams,

Leaders,

A lot of people in the street really begin to open to the power of synchronousity and what it can do for them.

Yeah.

So what have you found?

What kind of patterns or obstacles or blocks across the board?

I mean,

Different coaches,

Trainers,

Practitioners,

Healers,

Teachers all come across,

You know,

The same obstacles,

Same patterns that keep repeating themselves.

So when you work with leaders,

What are some of the same themes that keep popping up in their field that keep them from accessing more intuition,

Emotional intelligence,

Your choices from a heart centered place?

Again,

Speaking from my research conclusions,

This is fieldwork with leaders.

Number one,

Holding on to the past,

Somehow believing that the way they've always done it is the way they should always do it.

Now,

That's especially powerful in the world in which we live,

Which is much more volatile,

Much more uncertain.

We can't hold on to logic to solve things,

But the logic that people hold on to is a reason why they block synchronous happening.

And there's a strange phenomenon around this,

Johnson.

The more you believe in synchronicity,

The more it happens.

It's called the synchronicity of synchronicities.

So if you accept the basic premise that quantum physics says we're all energy,

Then if we're all energy,

Then the words that we use and the feelings that we have,

The more we open ourselves to that,

The more synchronicity comes.

So the biggest reason that blocks synchronicity is for people to say,

Ah,

It's just coincidence,

Because that mentally blocks the field of energy coming to you.

The other reason in an organization,

It's a very simple one.

My MBA didn't teach me this.

If people have paid hundreds of dollars for MBAs,

If that's not on the agenda of MBAs,

Which it isn't,

Then somehow they've got to let go of all of their training.

And because in organizations,

Everybody thinks the same thing,

They're scared of losing their credibility.

Again,

If you go to your boss and say,

I think we should invest two million in Cambodia because I had a dream last night.

Now,

It may be absolutely spot on,

But you don't want to lose credibility.

So all of these things block the individual from letting the energy of synchronicity come in,

If that makes sense.

No,

For sure.

This is something that you see.

I mean,

You can say that for probably people who aren't even leaders,

You know,

That if we're tied into belief systems that keep us in a certain mode of operation,

They're not making healthy decisions in our lives.

If we're stuck in the drama and the trauma,

Yeah,

There's no way we're going to move forward into seeing,

You know,

The universe as this benign force that's there to help us,

As opposed to like,

Oh,

The world's against us.

Well,

It's very,

Very interesting,

Johnson,

Because I like to start small.

I mean,

I coach people,

I train people,

I counsel people into saying to them,

So what's going on in your life at the moment that you don't understand,

But you think might give you some answers to the problems you're facing?

But then when you get to it being bigger,

Think about global events.

Now,

Let me tell you something that happened with Chernobyl.

Remember Chernobyl,

The nuclear reactor?

The week before Chernobyl happened,

Many people in that region were having dreams about Chernobyl exploding.

Now,

For me,

That synchronicity,

Spirit,

Whatever you want to call it,

Giving people's energy systems pre-warnings that the explosion was about to happen.

Now,

What if there'd been a way of gathering those feelings and dreams before Chernobyl happened,

And that could have had some influence on getting people out in time?

So this is why it's an amazing thing,

Because if synchronicity happens to us individually,

We know it does,

Because you think of a friend and a friend calls you.

If that's true,

Then it's true in much bigger,

Bigger,

Bigger ways.

Now,

If you take COVID-19,

People are,

And I don't want to get too much into that,

But if you take COVID-19,

Why is it happening?

Now,

I still feel it's just terrible because so many people dying,

But already people are beginning to say the air,

The climate is better,

The air quality is better,

Dolphins are swimming in Venice canals,

Etc.

,

Etc.

So what if events,

Not just in your own lives,

But in the globe also are impacted by synchronicity?

Maybe COVID-19 is a practice run for the disasters of climate change.

So for me,

It begins to,

For me and for other people I work with,

Help them understand when do I use head,

When do I use heart?

Because heart doesn't mean you let go of head.

Whenever somebody has an intuitive answer from their intuition,

From their heart,

I'll say,

Okay,

Now ask your head to check it out.

Does it sound logical?

So we have these two systems,

Head and heart,

And synchronicity happening to us is part of that whole system.

It brings me goosebumps when you talk about the ability that we have as a collective to tap into this field,

The quantum field.

I actually know of actually someone who I had on the show a few weeks ago,

Patricia Elwood.

She is a Jungian psychoanalyst and she works a lot with Russian cosmologists in Russia,

Somewhere on the border,

In Siberia.

And they research consciousness and they research tapping into the collective field and actually forecasting probable events that might happen in the future by tapping into the quantum.

So,

I mean,

It's all being researched and it's all,

There's such a huge interest towards that because I think,

As you said earlier on,

We as a species can no longer look at the world through a reductionist lens,

This way,

In a linear way almost.

And I think that's one of the big things when we come into anyone who feels like they have to be a strong leader because they have to serve their people.

They have to put on this front,

Right?

Is that we think of things linearly because we were educated that way.

And that's one of the biggest obstacles that I find across the board that we need to break down as we're moving forward into this new age.

And I love what you're saying and posing that question of,

Well,

What if all of this is preshadowing or foreshadowing and prepping us for something bigger that's to come?

So,

Yeah,

We can talk on and on about that.

But let's bring it back to leadership.

Tell me a little bit more about leadership in how you're perceiving it now in this current climate.

You know,

Are people that you're working with,

They're having to break through in new ways and access their intuition in new ways because of the global situation?

Because of COVID-19.

Yeah.

I mean,

It's still tough with COVID-19 because I can't get over the pain and the sadness of so many people dying separate from their loved ones and all of that sort of stuff.

But one thing I do think,

And it's interesting,

You and I talked about this earlier,

Everybody who's got COVID-19 or had a test,

They're scared about one thing,

Dying.

And they're scared about dying in terms of passing it on to their loved ones.

I had a test,

I went to the doctor with a cough and he sent me for a test.

And while I was waiting for my COVID-19 results,

I was frightened of dying.

And I was frightened more that maybe I'd pass it on to my wife and she might die.

And so I think that the one thing for sure that everybody's worried about is with all this stuff around,

Am I going to die?

But have you seen anybody talk about it?

Have you seen any TV show that talks about it?

I know you have,

But you're an advanced soul.

Have you seen any articles written about it?

So one of the things that I think COVID-19 is doing,

It's lots of pain,

I know that.

But one thing it's doing is making people face up to,

What do I feel about death?

And to me,

It's very simple.

We're all going to die,

Literally.

So if it's taken COVID-19 to make you think about death,

Then that's a good thing.

And for me,

What it made me think about death is I want to live now a more spiritual,

Useful life.

I think COVID-19 behind the scenes,

Despite nobody talking about it,

Is everybody in the world now is thinking about death.

What am I going to do?

What do I think about death?

What happens after death?

Etc.

And I had a really strange experience of this a couple of years ago.

I had a message from a psychic friend in the US.

I was appearing on Singapore TV in the morning,

Talking about the news.

And it meant that you get up at 6 o'clock every morning to go to Singapore TV to talk about the news,

Channel News Asia.

And as I'm getting ready,

I look at my phone and it says,

Message from your dad,

From a psychic friend of mine in the States.

My dad had died a year earlier.

And it literally,

She'd sent me,

She said,

Your father has been bothering me for a long time.

He's got a message for you.

And she literally had sent me the message that my dad,

Wherever he was in the universe,

Had sent to her.

He said various things like,

I think of you,

Blah,

Blah,

Blah.

I'm dancing.

I'm doing very well.

And then it said,

I'm glad to see you appearing on the TV.

You're going to be doing a lot more of that.

Now,

I'm in the process of preparing to go to Singapore TV at six in the morning.

My friend in America doesn't know that.

My dad clearly did.

But my dad died a year before.

So it means that somehow,

Somewhere,

My dad's spirit knew what I was doing at that precise moment and got a message to me that I'm appearing more on TV.

And in the last year,

Including this year now,

I'm actually doing a lot more stuff on TV as people seem to want to hear my message.

So that's a pre-answer to your question.

Because if that's true,

And it is true,

Then what does it mean for leadership?

It means that there are all sorts of answers around you to all the problems that show up in organizations if you listen to them with your heart as well as your head.

So I'm encouraging people to say those hunches that you have that you think come from nowhere actually don't.

There is an entangled way in which you are getting messages from the universe to the problems that you're facing.

And this is new,

Johnson.

As I said,

I'm the only person in the world that's done a PhD on this.

Very few people,

I don't know anybody,

Actually I know two other people who are looking at leadership and synchronicity.

So I'm kind of helping people think about how there's a lot more help around that you think there is if you just pay attention.

And going back to what you said earlier about death and about confronting our mortality and also to the obstacles that you said,

One of the obstacles that you run across a lot,

The themes that pop up is people not embracing their past or not letting go of their past.

I feel that also the fear of death is also something that keeps us from moving into our full potential as people,

As leaders.

Because if we cannot face our physical death and accept that as a reality,

And we think that we're immortal and we ignore it and we go into an avoidance pattern,

So then we pigeonhole ourselves into seeing things in a certain perspective because we cannot keep that or bear with that in our field of consciousness.

And then the second thing is,

And that keeps us from metaphorically dying day to day.

Because every day we die,

We go to sleep,

We wake up,

We're a new person,

We feel different things,

We have a different mood,

We relate to things in different ways.

So whether we're conscious of it or not,

Every day we are metaphorically dying by letting go of certain belief systems and whatnot.

And then we reinvent ourselves and become new people.

But if we can really grasp into this,

What the yogis and the buddhas call abhinavesha,

Which is the fear of death and break through that,

Then we really have become timeless in this quantum space.

So for leaders,

Johnson,

This is a great question around leadership.

What if then we help people redefine leadership as getting in touch with their true self,

Their authentic self,

Getting in touch with whatever they're supposed to be doing in this lifetime?

Because one of the things I found,

Synchronicity comes in to push people into their true life mission.

But people who are working and doing stuff that they're not committed to or don't enjoy,

Somehow synchronicity comes along,

And maybe a person,

Maybe a book,

To push them into what they are supposed to be doing.

So the beauty of it for me around leadership is that leaders need to look at themselves,

Who they are,

Help their team do the same thing,

And that way,

You're actually more successful as an organization.

There's all sorts of research that says when you are doing what you love to do,

The results and therefore the profits are much more profound.

We've been in it for a while,

But I think we're moving now more and more into the leader's role,

An organization's role,

Helping people rediscover who they're supposed to be in this lifetime.

I love that reframing of what leadership is.

It really is that.

Because if we don't honor what it is that we are,

Who it is that we are,

The purpose and the mission that we've come into this lifetime with,

And we don't see the big picture of it,

And we're just focused on the little itty-bitty details and just every cookie crumb that we see along the path,

Chasing for something,

What are we doing it for?

Here's the redefinition that a great writer,

Joseph Jaworski,

Who wrote a book called Synchronicity,

Joseph Jaworski's father was the Watergate prosecutor back in Nixon's days.

His definition,

Which I love,

Is the leader's role is to set the scene on which synchronistic miracles can happen.

I love that.

The beauty of it,

If you're doing that at work,

In all our work,

And you know this as well,

With organizations,

That shifts to changes in your personal life too.

That all kind of fits together.

Well,

It's the micro and the macro because really the company is just a bigger family.

It's a bigger family.

And if you haven't dealt with the relational issues in your immediate family,

Right,

It's going to play out in the bigger family,

In the organization you work at,

And vice versa.

And so it's going to affect both ways,

For sure.

That's absolutely spot on.

And I just thought then about COVID-19.

I watch the press conferences in the US all the time.

And I think what we have played out in that whole stuff is the clash between individualism,

Take care of yourself,

Make money,

And compassion and caring.

And so I think COVID-19 has always come along,

And you can see that happening with Trump these days.

He's focused on his image and getting re-elected.

A lot of other people focused on,

Let's work together for the collective good of everybody.

And I can't help but laugh.

I hope Trump stays safe.

I wouldn't wish anything bad on him.

But the moment when he's saying to the rest of America,

This tracing and this injection vaccine is not so important,

Guess what's happened?

COVID-19 has now come to the White House.

So he's now got two people infected.

So all the stuff that he's now saying,

Better test,

Better trace in the White House,

Are all the things that he's saying the rest of the country doesn't need.

Now,

You tell me,

If not,

That's not a synchronicity to bring Trump face to face with his own danger of getting infected.

Yeah,

Synchronicity is everywhere if we just pay attention,

Look.

The thing about import is don't go overboard with it.

Not everything is synchronicity.

I say to people,

Anything that is unusual,

That comes your way out of the blue,

Stop and think,

What is this saying to me?

Yeah.

Then,

Thank you,

Cap.

Well,

Thank you so much for that.

I love everything you said about synchronicity and leadership and being heart-centered and quantum and into all of these philosophies that we really need to redefine and just take in from here and here,

Right?

Connecting the heart and the mind.

And I love that.

Heart and mind,

Mind and heart.

Is there anything else that you would like to add?

One thing that's coming into me,

I don't know if you know the work of Joe Dispenser.

Sure,

Yes,

I do.

I'm a Joe Dispenser consultant trained by him to bring his work to the world.

Joe Dispenser has got all of this sorted.

I didn't see his books until I finished my PhD,

But he's got so much around quantum space and bringing synchronicity,

So he's also something I follow.

So,

My final thing is just to say to people,

You don't have to 100% believe in this,

But if ever you've had a synchronicity happen to you,

Then think more about it.

The more you go looking for it,

And this is my final thing,

My final conclusion in my PhD was that we're all being introduced to a life of synchronicity,

Where we are connected,

We are guided.

Look more for those and explore more those events.

Well,

Thank you so much for all that wisdom.

Thanks for coming on Truth,

Wisdom and Freedom.

I really enjoyed the conversation,

Johnson.

You gave me some great questions and we bounced around each other.

So,

Great show and thank you.

You're a great interviewer.

Thank you so much.

I'll talk to you soon,

Okay?

Have a great night.

Take care,

Johnson.