The Game Of Being Human

Welcome to the Shifting with Marlee podcast.

I'm Marlee.

Thank you for joining me wherever you are.

All that I ask of you,

The listener,

Is to have an open mind and an open heart.

And in return,

I offer you myself.

Today we're going to explore the quantum realms.

We're going to talk about quantum reality,

Quantum consciousness,

Quantum time,

And quantum manifestation.

And really what we're talking about today is the game of being human,

Playing with life,

Life as a playground,

And stepping into our roles as conscious creators of our reality.

We're talking about raising our vibration and manifesting all that we desire and creating a better world in the process.

I invite you to open your mind,

Drop into your heart,

And journey with us today to a higher level perspective.

Here to guide us on our journey today is Allison Holly.

Allison is a channel and awakening guide and author of the books,

The Era of the True Creator and her new book,

Ecstatic Playground.

You may remember Allison from back on episode 13 of this podcast,

Creating the New Earth,

Where we talked about her first book in all things creativity and self-love.

Welcome back,

Allison.

Oh,

I'm so,

So happy to be here.

I'm going to have to control my noise volume as I,

Because it's true,

I get really exuberant talking to you and I'm really grateful to be here again,

Again.

Yes,

Welcome back.

I'm so grateful.

I know you just light me up and I'm just so grateful to have you back on the podcast and congratulations on your new book.

Thank you so much.

It was a journey writing it,

Definitely,

And I'm,

As I was saying just before we hit record,

I'm so glad that you have a book now that we can talk about.

I basically did a book report,

Allison,

In preparation for this episode today.

You should see my notes and highlights,

That was pretty insane.

Well,

Even as you were introducing me,

I'm like,

Yeah,

See,

You know,

When I witnessed people doing things that they're really good at,

That I'm not really good at,

I think everybody is built for something and you are so good at that organization and really diving into this stuff.

And yeah,

So I was just witnessing that,

Like,

This is what you're built for.

It's beautiful.

And it's not what I'm built for.

I can talk about it.

I can channel it.

That's funny.

Thank you for seeing me.

I love that.

And Allison,

If you can believe it,

Our last podcast episode we did together came out in April 2021.

I mean,

That's two and a half years ago.

And we met for the first time recording that episode together,

If you remember.

And you and I have been on a journey together ever since.

And we've been in community and you and I have worked together and you've actually worked with some of my friends and family members,

Even I've met people through you that I'm friends with.

And it just has been like an extensive connection and lots of love ever since.

And it all started with this podcast.

And I'm just so grateful that this podcast brought us together.

And I just love you so much.

And I'm so thankful for you.

Wow.

I love you so much,

Too.

And it's powerful how we can create.

You brought up,

And I don't mean to dive right in,

But you brought up at the beginning,

Going into quantum reality,

The quantum realms,

Quantum creation.

That's a perfect example of it because we've got this idea of reality as,

What do we call it?

Entropy,

I believe is the word,

Where we create something and then it instantly dissolves and starts breaking down and it becomes less somehow.

But the quantum realms show us that things become more.

And love is one of those examples.

When we come into something with love,

It becomes exponential.

It doesn't break down.

It actually becomes more of itself.

And so I love all of these connections and maybe at some point,

Well,

I know at some point you and I will meet in person.

Yes,

Absolutely.

Yeah,

It's just so much love.

And Allison,

I'm so excited to dive into some of the concepts you talk about in your new book,

Ecstatic Playground.

I thoroughly enjoyed reading it.

You know what it felt like reading the book?

It felt like an activation.

That was my intention and that lights me up.

That's my intention.

And I love that I've heard that several times.

And it's really interesting,

Marlee,

Because like I said just before,

It is a process for me as a human of getting comfortable with hearing that.

And I am honored to be a channel for this information.

And the book was channeled,

Right?

Yes.

Yes.

You know,

I want to also give a shout out to my editor.

It was very edited as well.

And still the channeled messages really came through to the level that people are being activated.

So it's not as if I went in and channeled the full book.

It was multiple,

Multiple,

Multiple different channelings that were fused together and brought together into one message.

I love that.

And I just love personally,

I love channeled books so much.

I think because higher level perspectives are my jam.

It's basically like my love language.

Yes,

I'm going to quote you on that.

Higher level perspectives are my love language.

Bring that.

Yes.

So I'd love to start today,

Allison,

Talking about play and choice.

In your new book,

Ecstatic Playground,

You redefine play from something that's just recreation,

Which is a very limited idea of play,

To a more expansive view.

You say in the book,

Play is our very existence.

It's actually what we're doing here on Earth all the time.

Can you please elaborate on this expanded view of play and how it relates to choice?

Yes.

This has been a journey for me to fully integrate and fully understand.

And so I want to put that out first to say,

If this doesn't feel,

If there's something inside that goes,

Look,

How could I possibly agree with that?

Because sometimes these old paradigms,

When we're releasing them,

It's like really scary.

What I've learned is that play is both very activating and it's very uncomfortable to let go of those old paradigms.

So I want to share that,

Yes,

These messages are channeled and they are higher level truth.

And sometimes it takes a minute for us to go,

Okay,

Okay,

Okay.

I get it,

Right?

But play is our very existence.

Play is what we're doing here on Earth all of the time.

We don't have that perspective until we have the perspective of knowing that duality is something that's part of the Earth game,

Right?

So when we're playing here on Earth,

When we're existing as humans,

It feels very real.

And that's the purpose.

We jumped into the coolest game ever,

Right?

We jumped in and we were like,

Okay,

Here's the game.

I'm going to go into this denser reality.

I'm going to forget that I'm the all,

I'm going to forget that I'm God.

I'm going to forget that I am one and I'm going to fractalize myself and become billions of different humans.

And I'm going to have one unique perspective and I'm going to forget how magnificent I am on those higher frequency levels.

And I'm going to jump in here and all of the pain and all of the suffering,

It's going to seem super real.

That's the game.

It's kind of crazy.

It's kind of a crazy game,

Right?

But we can understand that it's a game when we recognize that here on this Earth plane,

On this human existence level,

In the denser frequencies,

We have duality because as things move from source consciousness into denser and denser planes,

They sort of separate into unique experiences and colors.

And so we have duality here where we don't have that from our expanded oneness perspective.

And what duality does is it teaches us there's suffering,

There's the guys and bad guys.

I mean,

There's a lot of different ways that this separates and some of it,

You know,

It's kind of,

We can see it as neutral.

We've got polarity than a lot of different realms or in a lot of our experiences,

We can see polarities in a lot of different ways.

But when we look at it from the binary perspective of good and bad,

We dive into a level of unconscious plane where we are making choices based on trying to be perfect,

Or we're making choices based on trying to be good,

Right?

We're trying to choose the right,

And we're trying to have bad guys.

We still need bad guys in that paradigm,

Right?

So when we're behaving in a certain way,

Here are the good guys.

And when we're not behaving in a certain way,

Here are the bad guys.

And that helps us to understand this denser reality.

And it really is helpful from that perspective,

Because even from our higher perspective,

We're learning,

We're experiencing,

We're playing,

Right?

But it feels like,

You know,

We're learning.

And so some people are in the realms where they're really learning about duality,

And they're experiencing it.

And for us to learn about something,

We want it to be really,

Really real.

So when we start to move beyond these paradigms of good and bad,

Right and wrong,

And we start to move into oneness frequency,

What we're doing is we're learning how to make choices that are not about other people being a certain way.

They're not about external circumstances at all.

We're learning to make choices based on what we desire,

And not based on good and bad.

Because good and bad is part of that paradigm that I'm always trying to keep myself safe because I believe that there's something external to me,

Right?

So in each frequency realm,

We've got a different understanding of reality.

In the denser frequency realms,

We've got good and bad,

We've got separation,

We've got war,

We've got fear,

We've got we need to keep ourselves safe,

All of those things.

And trust me as a human,

I play in those realms,

And they do feel real when you're in them.

And then from a higher frequency perspective,

We've got time and how we move through time.

And we've got things that are just a little less static,

Then we move up to new frequency realms and we start to recognize oneness and divine love,

Right?

So each realm has its own programming,

Its own way of behaving.

And what we really want to do,

And my goal for this book,

And I mean,

I don't even need to have a goal,

Scratch that from the record,

Please,

Judge,

Scratch that from the record.

I don't actually need to have a goal because the beauty of these higher frequencies is that everything that is of our highest good is what is happening.

And so what's happening with this book is it's reaching people and it's helping to dissolve some of our attachment to those lower frequency realms so that we can experience the truth on a higher perspective,

That we're one,

That we don't need protection,

That we can choose based on play and joy.

And so making those choices from that higher perspective is what the book is helping people recognize.

I love this perspective so much,

Allison,

It really excites me.

And it's all a game,

Right?

Our souls are just here in our school,

Playing a silly game,

Pretending to be human.

I mean,

It's so silly,

Right?

You say in the book,

We're playing human.

It's so silly.

It's so silly.

And you know,

I was on the phone with a friend just last night,

Laughing and crying.

And she was reminding me,

You know,

She I was like,

I just don't get it.

And she goes,

And you'll never get it.

And we both just erupted in laughter while I'm sobbing,

Because from my human experience,

I'm having this thing happen.

And oh,

It's so serious.

And I have these attachments.

And it's like,

Okay,

It's really a big cosmic joke.

And we're not meant to get it,

Right?

We're not meant to get it from the human perspective.

There's she's like,

And then when we get it,

We die,

Ha ha,

You know,

Shout out to my friend who really walked me through that last night.

But it's really a powerful experience to tap into the realms of the cosmic joke.

You know,

Near the end of the book,

I really talk about the cosmic joke and how it's so funny.

It's so funny.

There's a type of laughter that comes from some of these ecstatic activations that truly sounds like we've all lost our minds.

Because we have,

Because we have,

Right?

Because our mind is built to maintain parameters and paradigms and the things that help us repeat our reality so that it feels consistent and we believe it.

And so when we start to move into these higher frequency realms,

Our mind is like,

Wait,

Wait,

This doesn't fit the program.

And then we're like,

Oh,

Right.

The mind starts freaking out.

But the truth of us,

That cosmic energy starts to move through us and it creates this powerful giggle,

This laughter that when you feel it,

Not to go too off tangent,

But I've definitely had multiple,

Uh,

What I call laughter orgasms,

Right?

Where I am laughing from a place where the laughter is moving through me and I'm just a vessel for it.

And it's actually shifting the cells in my body.

It's activating my DNA.

It's a powerful experience.

So yes,

Recognizing that we're playing.

And one of the ways that we can really access that level of play is by returning to our childlike nature to recognize that,

You know,

One of the things that I used to love to do when I was a little kid was I like to create games that other people could play.

Literally.

I was,

I was one of those kids.

I would write plays for the neighborhood kids.

And then I'd be the director and I'd,

You know,

I'd have everybody get into costumes,

Right?

So when I take that type of play and I move it into present consciousness,

It's so much fun to let go of that seriousness and recognize that I'm still a little kid and I'm still moving into like just the play on the playground,

You know?

Yes.

And the game that we're playing is choosing,

Right?

It's a game of choice.

And you say in the book,

It's like a choose your own adventure game.

Yes.

Oh,

And Marlee,

I am so excited for at some point when I'm able to share the visions that I get with these channelings,

Because the vision that accompanies what you just said is it's so powerful.

The choose your own adventure level that we get to play on and the choices that we make.

Let me see if I can describe it to you.

It's like the cover of the book,

Right?

It's like multiple different rainbow prisms being sent out in different directions with this multidimensional web that is activated by our choice.

And somehow it all always leads us back to center.

It's the most incredible thing to witness on a visual dimensional level.

So,

I mean,

I just wanted to share that because it's so exciting.

And at some point,

Hopefully I'll be able to actually portray these things visually,

Or maybe we'll just all channel it,

Right?

But it's powerful.

When we jump into this body and we experience this whole landscape of play that we have,

This playground that we have,

We are trained into this idea,

Like I said before,

That it's about choosing the right thing.

And we break it into this binary of,

I'm going to choose the right thing.

And then we start doing control.

That's where control paradigms come in.

We also start to get into perfectionism.

And that's where all of that comes in.

And so many of these things that really just keep us locked into that paradigm.

And we start to make choices based on right and wrong.

And we really try and it becomes very separated,

Right?

And so when we start to expand in our frequency,

We start to recognize that it's not about choosing between right and wrong.

It's about choosing,

Again,

What we decided that we wanted to choose when we created our divine template before we incarnated.

So I'm going to try and bring all of this together.

Each of us has a divine template.

And what we did was before,

And I put before in quotes because time is like this linear idea that we're functioning under now,

But really it's all in the moment.

It's all one.

So before we incarnated into this specific lifetime,

We created a divine template for ourselves.

And this divine template is encoded within us.

It's every aspect of our body,

Our energetic field,

And it moves through time,

Right?

It's not a static thing.

And what that divine template does is it says,

This person wants to experience these energetic lessons and wants to witness certain things and wants to play in these specific ways,

Right?

For some people,

It's a bit more specific,

But it's not specific in the way that we think.

It's not specific in that,

You know,

We need to take three steps to the right and one step to the left in order to fulfill our divine purpose.

It's far more open-ended than that.

And how we activate our divine blueprint is through choosing.

We actually have so much choice available to us.

And a lot of times that's why we create and recreate the binary of right and wrong,

Because we have so much choice that it can be a bit daunting,

But here's how we get past being overwhelmed by our ability to choose.

You know,

If we take away the binary of right and wrong,

And we just recognize that we're here to choose,

We can recognize that choosing from our joy is going to bring us into our divine template,

Because our divine template is really the highest frequency version of who we are.

And this is the trick.

It's also inevitable.

It's also inevitable.

We kind of can't choose outside of that.

And that boggles the mind,

You know,

But when we let go of that binary of right and wrong,

It's sort of like I'm tying a rock from our foot when we're in water.

We actually just float into the frequency of who we are.

And we don't need to be worried about missing things from this perspective,

Because we're in quantum time,

Right?

Because the moment that we make the decision for something,

The moment that we choose something is when it occurs.

It's right then and right there on a vibrational level,

And then it moves into the physical.

So I'm kind of jumping around.

But there's so much that I want to express about all of this.

So hopefully that lands.

Yes,

There's so much to impact there.

And we're going to get there.

And where I want to start with all of that,

To organize it,

Right?

So a lot of what we've been doing up until now,

From my understanding,

Is basically unconscious playing and unconscious choosing,

Right?

So the goal is to start consciously choosing and consciously playing.

The goal is to become conscious creators of our reality through choosing our joy and choosing our desires.

But first,

What are some of the barriers and limitations beyond the binary of right and wrong,

Keeping us from playing and choosing consciously at these higher level expanded perspectives?

Yeah,

Beautiful.

The barriers that I witnessed in myself and in other people are things like,

I mean,

I just,

You know,

Mentioned them.

I've mentioned them several times because I witnessed them so frequently in myself and others,

Right?

What keeps me from playing?

Before I go into those specifics,

I'm just going to offer to everyone who's listening just for a moment,

Tune into the question for yourself.

How can I play more with this?

With anything,

Choose something.

How can I play more with my life experiences?

The really broad way that we can look at it.

How can I play more with this?

What you'll notice,

And I don't want to interrupt anyone's process,

But what you'll notice when you do that is there's this moment of expansion into joy.

Like,

Oh,

Is it really possible?

Can I really play?

This excites me.

And we feel that instantly.

And then what comes in right after that?

And that's what we look at.

That's what we look at,

Right?

And that's what tends to keep us from playing.

It's the idea that we have to be perfect.

That's a big one.

That's a big one.

We're like,

Oh,

I can't play because I have work to do.

You know,

It's like being a little kid.

No,

I can't go outside because I didn't clean my room,

Right?

We're taught this very early on.

We're also taught that to be big and bright and shiny will make people upset.

That it will hurt other people.

This was a lesson that I actually misinterpreted and learned in the womb.

And I've channeled about this because I had lots of health issues.

So I was channeling and looking into what created those health issues.

And what I saw was that in the womb,

The moment that my soul went into my mother's womb,

I pulled my light in because I was so afraid of hurting her with my light because my light was big.

It's,

You know,

We're big.

We're all big.

Like,

This is a powerful light.

And the interesting thing is that because I learned that so early on and,

You know,

It's kind of like coming into a psychedelic trip when we come into these earth frequencies.

We're like,

All right.

And we're like,

What is going on?

And it's just so dense.

So we start to believe some of these things.

We misinterpret the energetics because there's so much separation that we start to internalize these misinterpretations.

So the misinterpretation is,

You know,

I have to be perfect.

I can't play because it'll hurt people somehow.

I've got to control.

I've got to control myself and others because I've got to be safe because I'm a limited human,

Because I've got to make sure that,

You know,

I protect myself from X,

Y,

Z,

Right?

Because the game is very real when we're playing it.

Some of the other things are,

You know,

It's confusing to be in separation.

It's confusing to believe that I have needs that are unique to me and I get really attached to those needs.

And then I separate myself further.

I separate myself from you.

I forget that we're all God,

That we're all just playing a big game,

Right?

So there are a lot of different paradigms and it's going to look a little bit different for everyone,

But really the way that we can kind of investigate that is to go into that question.

How can I play more with this?

And then when we start to contract,

That's what we start to look at like,

Oh,

That's my limitation.

Why is that coming up?

And then get curious about it.

Just feel curious and sort of light about it.

And there are a lot of processes that I teach specific processes to move through those things.

And I don't want to get too much into that because we can also get really attached to the processes when it can be just as simple.

It can be just as simple as being present and then practicing presence again and again and again.

Oh,

Man.

I personally struggle with all of this,

Alison.

Welcome to human being.

I know.

And some of the other kind of barriers and limitations you talk about in the book that I'm just going to bring up briefly,

Fear of the unknown.

Oh,

Yeah.

A big one.

Caring too much what other people think.

That's a really big one.

Taking life too seriously.

I think we all struggle with that.

Not feeling deserving or worthy of fun and play.

That's a big one.

I want to pop you.

I want to say that worthiness is base level.

What messes us all up?

Right there.

Lack of worthiness could encapsulate literally everything that you said,

Anything that all of us experience.

When I witness what keeps people from being true creators,

What keeps me from it?

When we dig down deep,

It is always worthiness.

Wow.

Wow.

That is a big one.

Root cause.

And then just some of the other ones,

Which I'm sure also connect to worthiness that you mentioned in the book,

Some of these mental constructs like living too much in the ego and these mindsets of lack and scarcity and separation as well.

Yes,

Absolutely.

And,

You know,

Just to briefly touch on worthiness and the lack of worthiness,

This is something that I talk about,

But the reason for it is really introduced in my first book,

The Era of the True Creator,

Where at the end,

There is where I introduced the understanding that we feel unworthy because on some level we know we're God.

And yet we come into this human experience and we're experiencing something that seems to be not that right.

And so we feel unworthy because on some level we're like,

I know how big I am.

Why can't I be that?

It must be because I'm not worthy because I'm inherently bad or wrong,

Et cetera.

You know?

And so,

Yeah,

I just kind of wanted to flesh that out.

You know,

It really goes back to what we call original sin.

Or even if we haven't been taught in that Judeo-Christian original sin ideology,

It's sort of something that is inherent to jumping into the human realms from being the all that is.

And then we come into this limited perspective and we're like,

Why can't I command things into existence?

Why isn't it working?

Because we're playing the game of separation.

Then we don't feel worthy of everything that we are worthy of,

You know?

Wow.

That just blew my mind.

And I think,

Though,

It's like so easy from this human perspective to get distracted by all this and stuck in these patterns and caught up in these limitations because our egos are comfortable there,

Even if it's not in our best interest.

The ego likes familiarity,

So it's comfortable there.

Yes,

Yes,

Absolutely.

And I want to touch on what you just said,

That we get distracted by it.

Do you remember the part in the book where I talk about distraction?

And there's no such thing.

There's no such thing.

Okay?

So everything that feels like a distraction,

This is,

Again,

It's part of this belief that we can do something wrong.

We can't.

Right?

Right?

It's like,

Oh,

We've just got to really hold that one.

That's a big one.

Who knows?

We might be learning that for the rest of our lives.

We can't do anything wrong.

And so if we feel like we're getting distracted,

There are a couple of reasons for it.

The distraction is either inviting us to heal or hold something within ourselves.

Right?

We keep getting distracted because there's a glimmer of something over here that's trying to get our attention because it needs to be loved.

It needs to be addressed and loved.

Or a distraction is coming into our lives to teach us that we just need to play.

What happens when I'm working too hard is I get distracted and something doesn't work and I get all frustrated.

It's like,

No,

That distraction is like play.

It's supposed to be easy.

It can be easy.

So let go of this attachment.

Go play,

You know,

And release and then witness it from a new perspective.

From that perspective of play,

Everything is easy.

And we're moving within this fabric of time with a dance,

With,

You know,

Grace,

With flow,

With curiosity,

With fascination.

So from what I'm hearing you say,

In order to move past some of these limitations and barriers and restrictions,

The keys are finding more joyful play and presence.

Do I have that right?

Yes,

Yes,

Yes.

And,

You know,

I would say it can really just be boiled down to presence.

This presence does all of it.

Presence is our gateway.

It's our portal to our highest self.

It's our portal to our bad self,

To divine love.

You know,

Presence,

When we first start to explore it on a conscious level,

We're like,

Oh,

Okay.

Presence means sitting still and trying not to think so much or,

You know,

Even observing or witnessing the thoughts.

Beautiful.

That's the beginning.

That's the opening to presence.

When we really start to experience presence,

It's completely ecstatic.

It's an ecstatic frequency that we allow to flow without barrier.

And in that sense,

We can be highly present and still moving through our lives.

And we practice it with meditation because that helps because we've been trained and trained ourselves into a lot of ways that sometimes we just need to sit down and be like,

Okay,

We're just going to stop for a minute and I'm going to practice presence.

But really,

We can have presence through everything,

Through every movement.

And that's really when we're dancing with life.

Presence is the portal.

Presence is the gateway.

And I just want to bring up as well,

Finding more fun and joy in the unfolding because you say in the book,

Just because we're playing doesn't mean we're having fun.

Yeah.

I'm always just coming on here laughing like a crazy person.

I'm like,

That's a joke.

Isn't it silly?

Yes,

It's silly.

It's funny.

Just because we're playing doesn't mean we're actually having fun.

I mean,

We can bring it back to the example of us when we're little kids,

Right?

How many of us got frustrated even as little kids were like in the sandbox and we're building a sand castle or whatever.

And we've got this whole thing going on and it's so cool.

And then somebody comes by and they don't even do it intentionally.

And they just mess up our whole sand castle.

And we're like,

Wow,

You know,

And it's all of this frustration comes up because we have the game and we had it right,

You know,

But how do we move into consciousness with the level of the game?

And how do we then have fun with it?

First step is really that we start to recognize that it's a game because that instantly just kind of cuts the cord of attachment to so many things.

It's like,

Oh,

Right.

It's like my friend last night,

You know,

She's just literally I'm crying.

She's laughing like a maniac.

And I'm like,

I choose my friends.

Well,

You know,

I love my friends because she's like,

I'm sorry,

I'm laughing.

I'm like,

Please keep laughing.

It's not so serious.

It's not so serious.

And I need that reminder and I welcome that reminder because there was a period of time when I really first started channeling for people where every time I would close my eyes and channel and get into those higher frequencies,

People would ask me such serious questions and I would start laughing and I would have to tell them.

I remember I had to start setting up before I went into channeling.

I had to start telling people like,

Okay,

I might laugh or I might cry.

It's because ecstasy is moving through my body.

It's not because I'm not taking you seriously.

It's not because I'm not hearing you and I'm not making light of your situation.

But kind of,

Yeah,

We're making light of it,

Right?

We're channeling more light into it,

Which just breaks it all up.

You know,

That's enlightenment.

Let's bring the light in.

It's not so serious.

It's okay.

So when we talk about using consciousness as our ticket to really being playful and having fun and enjoying it,

Right?

So step one is recognizing that it's a game and step two is really,

Okay,

So if it's a game,

Then there are ways of functioning in this game that are going to really work well.

And that's where it gets really,

Really powerful.

That's where I'm like getting chills myself because with the people who are in my course,

The laws of creation,

It's now called the Limitless Creator Program because I really wanted to speak to what we go into.

I call it the level of Dr.

Strange.

You know,

I've heard people talk about moving into the realms of being a Jedi.

It's that,

It's Dr.

Strange.

It's all of these things that we used to think are unbelievable.

It's the sixth dimension,

You know,

And we're,

We're starting to really consciously move into that.

So to bring it back,

There are ways of operating in this game that are going to optimize the game for us.

And those ways are contradicting.

Well,

They seem to contradict what our paradigms currently are,

Right?

We can play with this game more adeptly by being very present.

And it's hard to do that because that's so simple.

How could that possibly help?

How could that possibly change my reality?

Well,

That's step one,

Babe.

That's like your first step on that path to being a multidimensional creator.

It's presence because with presence,

Like I said,

It's a huge experience.

It's not just sitting still.

It's being activated into the ecstasy that naturally can channel through us and learning how to then move through this reality with that.

That's presence.

So we start to learn the rules of the game.

And I don't even like to say the rules of the game because it's sort of just,

It's witnessing different dimensional spaces and how each one of them operates.

It's just witnessing,

Okay,

This is how it operates.

How can I optimize this game so that I am creating powerfully?

And presence is the hardest one.

In fact,

I would say what makes presence difficult?

It's not presence.

It's that we have to surrender into it.

Ah,

That's the rub.

That's the hard part.

We have to surrender into it.

And really what we're doing is we're not surrendering like,

Oh,

I give up.

I mean,

What we're giving up,

What we're surrendering is the old processes that don't work.

We're surrendering our attachments.

We're surrendering the belief that we have limitation.

We're surrendering all that stuff,

Right?

So I know surrender is a really difficult thing to understand because the very thing that we're surrendering is what's trying to understand it,

Right?

Our mind wants to understand processes so that we're safe.

And then when we go into surrender,

It's like,

The mind's like,

Okay,

I'll surrender when you tell me what it is,

Right?

Exactly.

And it's like,

Wait,

No,

No,

No.

That's literally what we're surrendering.

I don't know what it is.

I don't know.

There's a beautiful,

Powerful force that moves through all of creation and we can ride that wave or we can try and control everything.

And trust me,

I've played both sides of that game and I know which one I prefer.

And I also know that sometimes I still choose unconsciously because we're human,

Because we're human and we just keep playing.

If it were easy,

I mean,

If it were,

It is easy,

But if it were,

If we already knew,

Like if we already were doing all of it,

Cool.

But like,

That's not really what the human experience is about.

The human experience is about coming into this,

Having everything erased,

Having this idea,

This illusion of limitation seem really real.

And then finding our way back to Samadhi,

Finding our way back to that ultimate illumination,

Right?

And what I've witnessed,

And again,

Like I'm still playing from the human perspective,

But what I've witnessed in myself and others is that when we reach those exalted states where we're just,

Wow,

I am one with all,

Guess what we all want to do?

We want to jump into the human experience again.

It's like a crazy rollercoaster that we're like,

Oh my God,

That was so crazy.

And I threw up all over my best friend sitting next to me.

Let's do it again.

Right?

It's literally that it's nuts.

And I know some people,

They end their human incarnations and they need a period of rest.

There's some intense games going on here.

You know,

The law of karma as a star seed,

That's something that that's something that it doesn't exist in other realms,

Right?

It didn't exist in the realm that I'm more familiar with.

And so the rules of the game here on earth,

There's an intensity to it.

So I know that some people are like,

Yeah,

I don't want to do the rollercoaster again,

But then you give it a little bit of time and you're like,

Actually,

That was really cool.

Let's jump back on it.

Let's go play another game.

You know?

Oh,

So that actually brings me to my next question,

Which is our purpose on earth.

Yeah.

It's that simple,

Right?

I mean,

It's to learn and expand,

Right,

Allison?

It's that simple.

It's that simple.

And you know what comes through?

And the reason that I just kind of sat with that when you said that was the immediate feeling that I got was people know,

We know what our purpose is.

We know what it is.

And so if I'm going to come on here and I'm going to say,

Oh,

Your purpose is just to exist.

That's true.

And some people feel really strong sense of purpose for very specific things.

And that's true too.

Remember that divine blueprint,

Right?

I have a friend who,

And this was something that someone else channeled for him,

But I actually intuited the same,

A very similar thing for him.

And he's like,

Huh?

That reminds me.

He had a friend who channeled for him that his purpose was literally to incarnate on different planets and witness the sun.

But that's his purpose to just jump on planets and witness the sun and live lifetimes and what is their son?

Cool.

Right?

Some people are very broad with what their experience is meant to be with what their purpose is.

It's super open in the book.

I talk about divine template and I talk about open and specific blueprints,

Open and specific templates.

My template is actually very specific.

I'm sure there are people who have even more specific blueprints who are going to be like,

No,

No,

No.

I know exactly what I do every Tuesday and Wednesday morning because it's my purpose,

Right?

It can get really,

Really specific,

But remember it's an energetic frequency.

So at base level,

We're all here to channel the fullness of our frequency.

And then that light,

Just like the cover of the book,

That divine light,

It's going to come from source.

It's going to come through this divine template and it's going to shine out those rainbows specific to the way that we built our template.

I know that this isn't a visual podcast,

But I'm holding up a crystal,

Right?

This prism,

This,

This courts crystal that I have,

But I keep on my desk.

It's just like that.

No courts is like any other courts.

This is my divine template.

Light's going to shine through it.

It's going to fractalize out differently than it's going to do that for you,

But it's still,

That's the process,

Right?

So how do we know what our purpose is?

This is where we really start to get into territory that I've witnessed is the most uncomfortable for people.

When I teach about it,

You just do whatever you want.

You do whatever you want because your wants are actually your roadmap to your divine blueprint.

Your desires are the roadmap to your divine blueprint.

Just like at the beginning of this,

Where you brought out your notes and you were so organized and so clear on everything.

And I was like,

That is gorgeous.

And it's you,

It's you,

Right?

I don't do it that way,

But I love that you do it that way,

Right?

Because there's this beautiful harmony in each of us coming into our divine template.

It's what makes the full rainbow of experiences that we have on this earth plane,

Right?

So each of us is unique.

We each have our own blueprint,

Our own template.

I use those words kind of interchangeably.

And then we channel the fullness of light through ourselves,

Through our divine template.

And we witness,

It's going to create different things for all of us.

And how do we know what we're here to do?

We follow our desires.

That's where it gets uncomfortable.

I know I went on this little tangent,

But that's where people start to go.

Wait,

I just do whatever I want to do.

And then guess what comes up and people don't know that this is what's coming up.

But what comes up kind of under the surface is I can't trust that.

I can't trust what I want to do.

I can't trust my desires.

And there's so much to dive into there.

And this is where I spend the bulk of teaching when I work with people is,

Okay,

There's your desire.

Why aren't we doing it?

Well,

It's this and this and this.

Well,

It's like,

Okay,

But your desire is your roadmap.

It's not going to lead you astray.

It feels like it does at first because we've got a backlog.

We've got a backlog.

We've trained ourselves away from our desires.

So that backlog is going to shoot out and we're going to be like,

See,

I told you I can't follow my desires because it just messes everything up.

Well,

Again,

We're not here to be perfect.

We're here to experience.

We're here to awaken.

We're here to live our template.

Perfection's a myth.

So now let's go back to those desires without the lens of perfection.

How can we make these desires start to flow through us with less abstraction?

How can we play with these desires and bring them forth?

Because I will tell you,

You have experienced it.

Everyone listening has experienced this.

When you let those desires flow through you,

You feel good and you know that feeling.

You feel good.

It's so simple.

I'm teaching you the laws of creation,

The rules of the gate.

You came here with a template.

You flow through that template.

When you're flowing through that template,

You're going to feel lit up because that's light moving through you unobstructed.

It sounds so simple.

And then we start doing it and it's like,

Okay,

We do get tripped up,

But that's it's simple.

It's simple.

I love this conversation so much.

So this podcast episode is basically a permission slip to follow your desires,

Do what you want,

And take life less seriously.

Yes,

And cosmically laugh as frequently as you want.

Yes.

And I just want to kind of summarize what you just said.

So collectively,

Collectively,

Our purpose here on earth is to learn and expand.

And you say in the book,

Our purpose is to exist and our work is to play.

But then individually,

How do we know what to choose?

How do we know how to live out our divine blueprint?

How do we know how to live out our purpose?

We follow our desires.

We follow what brings us joy.

And that leads to our purpose individually.

Isn't it simple and it's fun and it's fun.

And it's fun.

And just to reiterate,

Because you say this in the book as well,

Our desires are the path,

Which I think is just so,

So beautiful.

I mean,

We're meant to follow our joy.

We're meant to follow what lights us up.

Yeah,

Yeah,

We are.

You actually say in the book,

This really beautiful passage.

You say our inherent desires are our gifts to share with the world.

They need to come out and they need to be shared,

Channeled through our voices,

Our bodies,

Our creations and shine for all to witness.

This is our service to each other.

So beautiful,

Alison.

I love that so much.

Thank you for playing with me.

Thank you for playing in general and shining your light.

I love you so much.

I want to bring up just three,

I'll call them tools that you've kind of talked about today,

But you also talk about in the book.

Of course,

Presence is basically the answer to everything.

You also say in the book,

Laughter is the key as well.

Is the key as well.

And also spontaneity,

Being more spontaneous can help as well.

Man,

I love that.

What I'm saying is when the message of spontaneity came through and channeling,

I was like,

Whoa,

We're onto something,

Guys.

Like keep bringing this through.

This is some good stuff because spontaneity is actually just channeling presence.

It's being present.

And it only seems spontaneous to us because we've got so many rigid parameters that we live in.

I had a powerful,

Powerful experience and it was so simple.

The other day I was interacting with someone who each time I interact with them,

I have a specific response that's really uncomfortable.

It's been this way for a very long time.

I won't even go into it.

It's just like,

Okay,

I'm about to go hang out with this person,

Kind of gearing up,

Putting on the armor.

And then I was like,

Hold on.

My guides have been telling me for a long time,

Have no resistance.

And it's like,

Ooh,

That's one that the mind is like,

Have no resistance.

What do you mean?

So I decided to experiment.

I took off my energetic armor and I went in and I just,

I was like,

Okay,

Whatever this person is bringing,

I'm just going to let it move.

However,

It's going to move.

And what I expected was that it was going to come in and that it was going to hurt me and it was going to move through my energetic field.

And then I was going to have to deal with it later.

But guess what actually happened?

I went into presence and I started witnessing on an energetic level because I'm always seeing energy.

I started witnessing that that wasn't happening.

And my light,

Just by totally relaxing and resisting nothing,

I was doing nothing.

Marley.

I wasn't do,

I wasn't consciously like,

I'm going to put up the shield of light.

It was like,

No,

I just completely surrendered.

And my light started expanding and everything within that dynamic shifted in a way that I have never experienced with that person before.

I was completely relaxed.

I had no resistance.

I wasn't upset.

I wasn't angry.

Nothing was happening.

And we moved into a conversation that was so completely different from any conversation that we had ever had.

And I felt so at peace and I didn't have to go home and cleanse.

And I didn't have to go home and do any,

It was like,

Whoa,

That's what they've been talking about.

Right?

So I know I talked a little bit about,

You know,

Not being in resistance,

But when we talk about being spontaneous,

What comes up is we think,

No,

I have to have these rigid parameters in order to be safe.

I have to have these rigid parameters.

That's the story,

But we don't.

And so when we move into spontaneity,

What we're really doing is we're flowing with the moment.

We're like,

Oh,

Let me just,

I just randomly want to do this.

I'm just going to like throw that over there,

Whatever,

You know,

And I let myself do it and I play.

And I recognize that one,

Things are always breaking down and rebuilding.

That's part of the earth existence,

Destruction,

Everything falling apart in order to build again is part of what the earth existence is,

Right?

It's all moving and shifting all the time.

And all we're doing with spontaneity is we're starting to move into that flow.

This is,

You know,

The doctor strange level where we are witnessing the energies and we are moving with them.

And it's sort of like dancing.

It's sort of like we just flow with these frequencies and when we can witness and we can flow and we recognize that we don't need to have control and we just start to be present with it.

That's when we can actually command what we desire from life.

But when we're resisting,

We can't,

Then we're,

We're playing this game where we're just trying to make things fit into a parameter so that we can feel safe.

That's the old way of doing it.

And I would much rather play with these expanded consciousness abilities,

Much rather do that.

And it takes some practice.

And the practice is really just unlearning all of those rigid structures,

Releasing them,

Releasing the attachment,

Being present and moving the spontaneity and it's playful.

It's a playful,

Ecstatic energy.

That's the work.

And then from that place,

Becoming more conscious of our desires and then choosing those.

Yes.

Yes.

And I want to just say this about choice too.

When we start to flow with these frequencies,

We become spontaneous right now.

You know,

When we're,

When we're in these denser realities and we're witnessing and we're trying to navigate our lives,

Choice feels like this is a choice and this is a choice and this is a choice and it feels very active,

Right?

Like I'm choosing this,

I'm choosing this.

When we go into these frequencies of flow,

When we're in spontaneity,

The choice is literally made the moment that we think of it,

The moment that we are conscious of it.

It's not something where we actively go,

I am choosing this.

And then we take 10 spaces and we,

You know,

And we fill out a form.

It's like,

It's so different than that.

The experience of choosing becomes it's as,

It's as brief as a moment of thought or a laughter,

Or I mean,

I'm trying to think of an example,

But hopefully I'm portraying what I'm,

I'm trying to say here.

It's like,

Well,

We're,

We're literally choosing all the time.

I'm just,

Oh,

It's a choice.

Everything I do,

It's a choice.

Everything I do is a choice and consciously choosing is just part of the flow.

It becomes part of the flow right now.

When we start practicing it,

It feels very rigid.

It feels very like,

Oh,

This is a right choice and this is a wrong choice.

But when we start to move into the flow,

It's actually just what we're doing constantly and choice becomes just,

It's like part of the background.

Now we're just flowing with the choices.

We're just choosing.

And it really becomes an active motion of joy and an extension of that frequency rather than something that we're doing really intensely.

That's the dance.

That's the dance.

Alison,

This all seems like it requires a lot of self-love,

Self-trust and self-worth to reach these levels.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's tough,

Right?

From these denser realities.

Those are,

Those are tough.

It's,

It's hard.

And well,

Let me rephrase that.

It is,

It is,

You know,

When we are starting to become conscious,

Like I said,

It feels like,

Oh,

We're making this choice and it's so intense and it's so serious.

And okay,

Now I've got to love myself and loving ourselves becomes this task and this chore.

It's really,

We're shifting paradigms,

Right?

So I go into this a lot in the Limitless Creator Program,

But we are shifting paradigms.

We are literally shifting the inside.

We're shifting the way that we view life.

We're changing that.

And then everything flows from that.

So it really is a lot easier than we're making it most of the time.

And let me tell you that when we're shifting those paradigms internally,

The external world moves a lot.

And that's where it starts to feel like,

Oh my God,

It's crazy.

What's going on?

You know,

And it feels scary and it's like,

Everything's changing.

Well,

It's like the internal,

When we shift that internal space,

Our whole external world shifts because we're creating our external world,

You know?

And so really what's happening is we're shifting the internal paradigms and we don't need to focus on some of these.

Even self-love is sort of an external concept when we really deeply get into it because it becomes work.

You know,

Anything that's going to become work,

We're missing the mark a little bit.

And that's why,

You know,

It's so simple.

We bring it back down to presence.

And there are so many processes that we can use to help us.

There are billions of ways to meditate.

There's billions of ways to move into the present moment.

There's billions of ways to heal ourselves.

There's billions of ways to interact.

There's billions of ways to understand this life process and to move into our purpose.

And we can simplify it.

We can bring it back to that core essence of the way that this game works.

And it's so,

So,

So simple and it is natural to who we are.

If we just let go of that rock that's holding us at the bottom of the ocean,

We will float,

Right?

So,

Yes,

There are a lot of different ways and things that we can narrow it down to and look at.

And self-love is key,

But don't let self-love turn into work.

Don't let self-love turn into another thing that we don't understand.

Because let me tell you,

The core essence of who you are is love.

That's it.

There's self-love right there.

Self-trust,

Self-worth,

And self-love.

It's all already there as our essence and our core.

It's who we are.

Yep.

You make it sound so beautiful and easy and accessible.

And I love that,

Allison.

So thank you.

But I have to bring this up because I'm sure there's people listening saying,

This sounds amazing right now,

But I have bills to pay.

Or this sounds so great,

Right?

But a lot of people don't have the privilege or ability,

Based on their current life circumstances,

To just do what they want and follow their desires.

And I have to bring up all the chaos and destruction and pain and suffering in the world today because it is just so immense.

When you tap into it,

It is so overwhelming.

So how do we grapple with all of that and everything we've been talking about?

Yes.

I'm going to say something that might be hard to hear.

If it's hard to hear the message of play,

And those are the things that are coming up for you,

This is also going to be hard to hear.

Those are all excuses.

That's it.

Wow.

There's nothing holding us back from being our true selves.

There's nothing holding us back from play.

There's nothing holding us back from being limitless creators.

And if we choose,

We can externalize our reality forever.

And we can look at external circumstances and we can say,

That right there,

That's why what she's saying is not true.

Cool.

Okay.

Awesome.

As another being that is me and another experience and another body,

You can choose to have that vantage point.

And that's really cool.

And I fully respect you for it.

I'm starting to witness in order to hold the perspective that I'm really meant to be here to hold,

I'm not actually meant to address those things so much anymore.

And I know that's so funny to say,

But I'm not here to say,

Yeah,

You're right.

We're all suffering and this is horrible.

Like I'm not,

That's because it's just,

It's just one way of perceiving it.

It's one way of perceiving it.

I,

I want to pause and just listen and see exactly what to share in this moment.

And I,

And I have a lot of examples that I could share about how I know that we choose our reality and how I know that this is all projected.

And all of this is,

You know,

It's an illusion that seems very,

Very,

Very real.

We're not serving anybody.

We're not serving ourselves by continuing to believe in and thus perpetuate the externalization of our power.

It's not going to help anybody.

So the reality that I'm here to share and the vantage point that I'm here to share is that you are a limitless creator.

Everything is emanated from within.

When we can shift those internal belief systems and learn to channel the fullness of who we are into this experience,

We will perceive all of those things that you just named powerfully different.

And I can,

I could talk for seven hours,

But each of us having our own experience and shifting that perspective is far more powerful.

So I would say,

Try it and just know that if those excuses are coming up,

It's because you're afraid of your potential and that's,

That's okay.

Powerful.

And you say in the book,

The cosmic truth is that now is the perfect time for play.

In fact,

Play is especially important in times when the world may feel chaotic and heavy.

Yes,

Yes.

So there you go.

And you also point out in the book,

Which I want to bring up,

If people can't or choose not to see from this higher level perspective,

That's their choice.

That's okay.

And there's nothing we need to do about it.

Absolutely.

I didn't,

I totally forgot that that was in the book.

So yeah,

I second that opinion.

And I think also Alison,

This entire conversation and your book in general can't be fully understood from the logical mind.

It can't be fully understood from the denser,

Denser realities,

Right?

To really understand and embody these concepts,

You have to take that higher level perspective,

Shed those limitations,

Kind of get out of the ego mind and feel it from your higher mind,

Higher heart,

From your soul.

Absolutely.

And thank you for saying that because that's where we want to go anyway,

Right?

That's where we want to go anyway.

So whether you love those messages or they don't ring true or whatever it is for you,

Where do you want to go?

Do you want to go into your higher self perspective?

Go there,

Go there.

That's it.

And there's one passage in particular from the book that kind of made it all click for me.

It was like the aha moment when I was reading.

You say,

We are all cosmic fools playing our part in this divine orchestration of light,

Creating silly things for ourselves to loop and then discover.

We can laugh at ourselves for forgetting that it's right here,

Right now.

And that not only are we playing a joke on ourselves,

We also are the joke.

And what a funny game we're playing,

Forgetting that we are the all.

Yes,

Yes,

Yes.

Just wow.

I mean,

What a silly and funny game we're playing on here on Earth,

Allison.

I mean,

It's like we're like these powerful,

Magical,

Expansive,

Immense beings squeezing ourselves into like tiny boxes.

It's so funny.

It's wild,

Isn't it?

It's wild.

And I just want to say,

Because I know that we're kind of closing it up.

I want to genuinely thank everyone in existence for playing this game,

You know,

For playing this game with me,

Because that's my perspective,

Because the perspective that I'm holding is that there is an I,

A me,

A self.

And I'm really grateful for all of these parts and pieces of source coming in and playing this game from all of our unique perspectives.

It's so powerful.

And I am so grateful to each of you for existing at this time on Earth so that we can all play together.

That's beautiful.

And I want to point out,

I know we're talking about really high level concepts today.

But the idea is not to bypass our humanness,

Right,

Allison?

It's all about learning to be present in our lives on Earth here and now while simultaneously tapping into our infinite nature.

This is our evolution,

Right?

It's the next step.

It's expanded consciousness while existing in human form.

Yes,

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

I want to just dive a little bit into the difference between bypassing and playing.

So bypassing is exactly as it sounds.

You see something and then you're like,

No,

No,

No,

I'm going to go the other direction.

I'm going to ignore it.

Play is becoming conscious,

But not myopic on the things that we don't like,

Right?

Play is becoming conscious,

Expanding our frequency,

Expanding our,

We can only choose when we know that there's a choice to be made.

We can only consciously choose when we know that we can choose,

Right?

And so we're not bypassing anything.

We're becoming highly aware,

Highly aware.

But what are we paying our attention to?

What are we giving our energy to?

And that's where we can start to become conscious creators.

And when we enter these quantum realms,

Which is kind of what we've been talking about this whole time,

These higher level perspectives,

These quantum realms,

It's the realms of pure potential here on earth.

Yes.

Yay.

And Alison,

If there was one big important message you wish people would take away from your book and this conversation and remember,

What would it be?

You are God.

You are God and so am I.

I should come up with like a little,

Like kids on a playground.

You are God and so am I.

Stick your face in cherry pie.

But you are God and so am I.

I love that.

And I love you.

And I love you so much.

And thank you so much for being here today and sharing your energy with us.

I'm feeling so lit up and so excited for the future.

Yay!

So many amazing things to come,

Including me coming into your area on my book tour.

And also,

You know,

You can be anyone who's listening to this.

I will be everywhere,

Right?

So I'm excited to meet many people on this journey.

Alison,

I have one last big important question for you.

Yeah,

Bring it.

What is your dream for the future of humanity and the earth?

Yeah,

It feels so,

So good.

Well,

We all step out on the playground.

And in the book,

I talk about a return to the Garden of Eden.

That's the final chapter.

And that's what we're moving into.

You know,

One of the practices that I have,

I actually have a beautiful woman who presented at my book launch,

Who is a shaman.

And she worked with me in a sacred ceremony.

And so I'm still in contact with her.

And she sent out a message that,

You know,

The Amazon was burning in Brazil.

And that the people living there wanted prayers to help to shift this.

And the process that I started doing as we were all praying together was,

I would close my eyes and imagine the earth,

All of the earth in her divine template,

Right?

So when I look at a tree that's suffering or whatever,

I actually just imagine this sort of blueprint.

And I imagine it being in that.

I imagine the sacred grid work that runs through all of life.

And I witness each person being that.

And that is really the return to the Garden of Eden.

And I witnessed myself in that as well.

So this is a practice that I would definitely extend to all of you is,

You know,

Close your eyes and imagine this world in its highest capacity.

And just know that that is,

You know,

That that's the truth.

That's the truth.

And we are stepping into it.

You know,

We are not just imagining it,

But we are creating it on the physical.

So that's my dream,

But I believe in dreams.

So that's my reality.

It's time to take life less seriously.

It's time to rediscover the joy and fun of being alive on planet earth.

And it's time to step into our true roles as creators and consciously create the future from our desires.

It's time to play and see life as a grand adventure.

I'll end today with a quote from Alison.

In order to consciously create a new reality,

We need to release outdated,

Lower-frequency stories and intentionally dream a new dream.

When we allow ourselves to imagine in a new way,

We begin to see our world change to match our imagined creations.

Our collective expansion into higher frequencies is simply a matter of many people,

Dreaming a new dream together.