22: Shoulders Back, Chest Out: Facing Fear With Natasha Black

This is From Anxiety to Love Radio,

The show about undoing anxiety through a course in miracles and other pathways of love.

Gain insights and tools to deepen your awareness of the peace that already exists within you.

I'm your host Corinne Zupko,

Author of the award-winning and best-selling book From Anxiety to Love.

Hey spiritual family,

Today's guest is Natasha Black.

I met Natasha when I was a speaker at the Miracle Network UK conference on A Course in Miracles in England last spring and we immediately hit it off.

Natasha is as passionate about living A Course in Miracles as I am.

She or she works it.

She's a dedicated student.

After listening to this episode you'll see she's clearly a teacher,

She's a transformational coach and a mom.

Natasha truly walks the walk and she has a 100% dedication to healing.

Natasha and I were recently catching up on a call when she shared her healing experiences with me.

As you'll hear her experiences involved facing her fears with spirit,

Clearing out those fears,

Receiving abundance as a result and realizing that as a result of all of her work what previously angered her completely lost its charge.

She had an experience with her son where she could allow love and laughter to enter where there had previously been anger and frustration.

You'll hear about how Natasha has been very engaged with A Course in Miracles and she's also been very engaged with the exercises in my book.

Now I swear to you I did not pay Natasha to say the very lovely things she says about my book in this episode but here's the thing Natasha is working this pathway and she's seeing results even though they weren't always instant or what she expected the results to be.

This happens when we dedicate ourselves completely to a spiritual pathway whatever that pathway may be.

So whether you work my book or A Course in Miracles directly which I highly recommend or any other book or other pathway experiment with going 100% in.

Do the exercises,

Do the practices.

Instead of diluting healing work with many different methods I always suggest picking one,

Diving into it completely for at least a year and see the results that you get.

In my own experience my healing was quickened because I fully engaged with A Course in Miracles I went all in as Natasha has done.

Results can come from dedication but also results can be attained when we simply get out of our own way and if symptoms or issues seem to remain in place the practice becomes not to judge them.

I hope the outcome of Natasha having faced her fears with spirit inspires you to face yours and to experience the miracles that are waiting for you.

You can access my takeaways from this episode on the show notes page at fromanxietytolove.

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So let's go ahead and tune into our conversation.

Natasha I am so excited that you are here welcome to the show.

Thank you Corinne I'm just so giddy with excitement I can hardly contain myself.

Corinne Me too,

Me too.

You know your story that you had shared with me when you shared it I was like we have to share this on the podcast because it is just such an incredible story and so I am wondering if you are just willing to dive in kind of take us from the beginning what was going on and yeah let's start from there.

Okay so if I just start by saying that I've been a real student of A Course in Miracles for a couple of years now.

I dabbled before but I've been what I would call a real student in you know a study program and studying the text especially and so the course is really close to my heart and your book especially has been really pivotal actually in being able to put into action you know having the real experience of well putting the course into action basically.

So I had been listening to your book and obviously I had been doing my own course study and was well aware of handing over fear and I was at a particular time in my life where and this was only a few months ago but a particular time in my life where I was feeling a lot of fear coming up and I don't really have specific words for it other than it was a real contractual energy and anxiety and you know I had never really been a person who identified as an anxious person until reading your book and oh yes actually I just do anxiety in a different way to what I thought anxiety was but I was going through this particular time where a lot of fear was coming up and for a few days I was stuck in it and getting really caught up in it and it was it was so strong let's just say that it woke me up in the middle of the night and I sleep like a baby I really sleep well so for me to wake up and have that you know that panic and that oh my god and the feeling in my body I just knew that I had to get up out of bed and do something with it and so I went downstairs you know it's the middle of the night two o'clock in the morning I came into my living room lit a candle and said a prayer to the Holy Spirit to ask him you know to to help help me help heal me and then I sat on my meditation rug and I just started talking what I find really therapeutic is that actually as you know you call the Holy Spirit your inner therapist and I love that and because actually you don't have to go and see a real therapist all the time the inner therapist and let it all out and that's literally what I was doing I was just letting out verbally exactly how I was feeling and I noticed that I was very contracted my shoulders were pulled in my head was low I was really physically feeling the emotion of fear and the anxiety in my body and as I sat there talking I had this real instinct to sit up a little bit straighter and to you know as if I was sitting up with my back straight and pulling my shoulders back and holding my head up higher and it didn't feel easy to do that because of course when you're when you're contracted when you're in fate well when you're in fear you are you know you do physically feel it and so you do just want to contract in safety but I just instinctually knew to sit up and to stand to sit tall in what I was feeling in sit tall in the fear and to not fear the fear and as I did that as I you know slowly started to bring my shoulders back the fear then became real sort of intense shame and not good enough and humiliation and you know other words for fear but having you know different different feelings to them but still being you know one in the same and it felt hard feeling that and I really get this you know this idea in the course of bringing it to your therapist and your therapy your inner therapist the Holy Spirit looking at it with him and so I felt that by sitting there and holding my shoulders back I almost became an observer of it whilst going through it if that if that kind of makes sense absolutely and this lasted for quite a while and when you're feeling those well when you're feeling such intense shame and I can't say that I felt shame like that but obviously it was buried it was buried shame but when you're actually feeling that shame it's it's not nice and you know you are it's so easy to see why people don't go there because it can be so well it's just intense isn't it so intense yeah and so I was there for about a couple of hours until I eventually felt like I needed to lie down and I kind of lay down that felt almost like not full integration but I almost felt like that was the end of that session if that's if that makes sense and so I lay down and I can't say I felt any better after the two hours I was like you know jumping with joy I really wasn't and but I knew that I had done I suppose a bulk of the of the work and so I went to bed woke up the next morning and you know was feet was feeling you know really tired and I yeah I mean I've been up for a couple of hours during the night but then whenever those feelings started to come up again whenever I started to go back into the fear and back into the anxiety and whatever was associated with it and actually feeling the physical feeling I knew to pull my shoulders back and to it was like a head up shoulders back boobies out you know stand tall in this and don't be it you know really separate yourself from it in a way that you are not it and you are allowing it to move through you as opposed to be you yes and I just found that worked so well it felt like wow I've discovered a new tool you did and that's why I had to have you on the show to talk about this because that's just so it seems so simple like sit up straight but in the thick of anxiety when that fear feels so overwhelming you you articulated that so beautifully all you want to do is contract all you want to do is protect yourself you want to protect your heart your core your your hunched inward I know that posture so well and for you to intuitively have that sense of doing the opposite opening up opening your shoulders and then allowing you said the feelings got a little more intense because the different forms of fear started coming up like shame that and you also articulated this so beautifully it is our knee-jerk reaction to want to turn away from that it's our knee-jerk reaction to want to not go there and yet what you did which is what the course is prompting us to do and what I write about in the book and it is prompting us to turn toward what is coming up because it's coming up to heal that's unpleasant as it is we have to turn toward it to look at it with Holy Spirit to shine light on it it's like this I picture it almost like this you know ugly little black monster thing that is coming up from within and it only can exist in shadow it cannot exist in light and when it comes up if you keep hiding it if you're contracting around it it festers it stays but if you let it come up and then you sort of like you did step back and become that observer and invite the light to shine on it it's not there it's just a hallucination it's it's not there at all and you said that you know you wish you could say that immediately the feelings went away or that you immediately felt better but your story continues and what will keep going but in my experience as I've had similar experiences to what you're sharing not with the awareness of the shoulder piece and the posture but the more and more that this would happen and the better I would get at looking at it immediately with Holy Spirit I would find at times it would just fizzle away that's how I feel like I stopped having early morning anxiety because rather than running away from it or just bolting out of bed and getting busy I would sit with it and say Holy Spirit I'm looking at this with you until something till I know I'm done until a shift happens until I feel guided to get up but I'm not turning away from this so I just it's just so beautiful to me your story is so beautiful and so inspiring to speak to and again we're not done yet there's more but to speak to just the power of facing the fear with spirit because if we tried to face it alone it would be terrifying but we're not doing it alone we are not doing it alone we have divine help so I just am so inspired by you thank you it was it was definitely one of those times for me where I felt I went deep without working with a therapist without working with somebody in human form if it if that makes sense it was definitely I don't don't really know how I don't know what the words are but it was definitely a proof to me of how this works when you ask for help in this way and I'll be really honest here when I was going through it I wasn't sure if the Holy Spirit really was we all have that thought so thank you for saying I am willing to look at this with me please look at this with me and I just kept you know just kept repeating I am willing to release this and yeah yeah and and so the days after that and whenever I felt any kind of energy related to the fear coming up for me I just did that I just became very aware that of what I was feeling and it was almost like it was almost like giving the nod so to speak to the Holy Spirit right I've got my shoulders back I've got my head up my boobies are out and I am you know I'm willing to look at this and and really not hold on to it and what was really interesting is that when I ended up going on holiday I went away for a week and part of the well the majority of the the fear and the anxiety was coming up around the trip that I was going on and what I found is that when I went away for the week that I was completely calm I had this happiness and joy and delight that was so was so real for me I don't know if that's the right word but it just felt so you know so so real for me and that whole trip I was so looked after I could not have received more more love more service from others I was just looked after in so many ways you know the way that you know I just give you some examples and my sister booked me and these are all sort of like you know in the world examples as well as you know how I felt but my sister booked me a facial it was the best I don't go for facials but this was like heaven this facial was so incredible I've not experienced a facial like that before I and this is quite funny this is just an you know a little side note before I went away I had this little thought in my mind how I would love to have a personal stylist but then feeling unsure of my hat you know unsure of my style I just thought oh yeah you know that that just wouldn't work for me but I would love a whole wardrobe full of clothes and just kind of like you know left the thought at that well this one day my sister came to pick me up so I went to Gibraltar my it's where my sister's my best friend live basically I live there and my sister picked me up this one day and she had she's a she's a makeup artist and she buys clothes left right and center and she's always looking amazing and fabulous and and this one day she picked me up and she had this huge bag in the back of a car with clothes in and I said oh what's all this she said oh it's just I've been cleaning out my wardrobe and I was gonna give it to this girl that I give it to and I said oh what size are they should size eight I said oh I'll have a look I am not kidding you my sister kitted me out with clothes that she was going to give away and it I kind of was like oh my gosh like I didn't ask for this ah you know it was just a thought an idea and I felt like I had been personally styled by my sister Wow and I came home with like a wardrobe full of clothes you know it was like it just felt like the release work that I did before I went away and abled me to receive in a way that I couldn't have imagined myself to even receive or want just it does that make sense it makes so much sense it makes so much sense that you did that release work you turn to that fear and then the universe is showing up to show you over and over and over how much you are loved and how much you are taken care of and how much you are not alone I love this yeah it was the love that I felt in that week and you know and I still feel it but I just knew that I had done some good work with the Holy Spirit and myself we did some good I don't know if I'm allowed to swear but I you know we did so we did some good work but it was evident in that trip with how I you know my best friend just looked after me anything that I needed I didn't even have to ask for it it was just there it was just it was just incredible and to me it was just a true testament of how when you do this work the external just sorts itself out and you get you get back what you're putting out and yeah I am just again so inspired it's just such a beautiful example of the synchronicities really and I mean I see that you know you have a thought in your head about a personal stylist and then your sister shows up with all these clothes and a new wardrobe for you like I see that as synchronicity and I'm sure that your other experiences there had that same kind of synchronous feeling that you know they're unexpected but here they are showing up and again over and over how much you're cared for and how much you're loved and this is a message for all of us because and that's why I wanted you to share your story on the show because we fear comes from feeling that we walk alone and separate and that we have to care for and you know protect and defend ourselves and yet when we open when we face our fears when we are willing to work through them the things that can happen as a result of that that maybe would have still happened but maybe we just would not have been open to receive we wouldn't have noticed it's it can be quite a profound experience afterwards and so your gifts that you received you received for all of us and I know it touches me it touches my heart it makes me feel more connected with spirit and that's my my hope for listeners as well and listening to your story and to have that motivation and that bravery that courage to be able to sit with our fears when they're coming up because sometimes our fear is attached to something specific but in my experience more often than not in the past it was not attached to something specific it was waking me up in the middle of the night like it did for you it's just this really intense uncomfortable fear and anxiety and I just want to normalize that and put that in context one of the things that I just love about the course is that it has given me an understanding for what's happening it's given me sort of like scaffolding to understand what it is that I'm going through and that fear when it comes up and it seems like it's not attached to anything it's it's this unconscious fear it's this unconscious guilt that the core says that we hold in our mind that is a reflection of that belief that we think that we are separate from our source and so we believe deep down that we are worthy of punishment that's where the shame comes from you know I did I must have done something awful it it might not feel logical or that it makes any sense but this is where it can come from and what to do with that is what you did and that is to look at it with Holy Spirit yeah yeah and you know I couldn't agree more fit for me personally and I know that we are very similar and I just think to myself if that's not me if that's not who I really am if the fear and the shame and the guilt and the pain and if that's not really who I am as painful as it is when you're feeling it to release it I don't want to carry that I don't want to be someone that I'm not I mean I remember having my very first or you know real shift in perception 12 years ago that radically transformed my life and I had such a shift in that moment and I thought to myself if I can shift the way the way that I think about myself in a moment and my whole life transforms the way I feel about myself the way I look at my life the way I look at you know my future I want to keep having those shifts I don't want to keep any of that stuff in but at the same time it does feel physically feel really painful but it really is that you're not on your own you you know I love I'm not gonna say this sentence correctly but in the course it says and I think it's in your book as well you know if you knew who walked besides you beside you like I love that can you what's the rest of that if you knew who walks beside you on the way that you have chosen fear would be impossible oh god you know and that just I feel so teary hearing that because you do at times just feel so on your own with the human condition and I was listening to a pink song earlier pink and Khalid and the song is and it hurts to be human and I was listening to it I was like it does hurt to be human because it does but then when you're with you know the with the course with the Holy Spirit you're not on your own and you don't have to keep hurting you've just got to go there and I think that is I think that's you know if I had a message that I'd want to give anybody is that you don't have to stay there and you're not on your own but it does take courage to to do this work it really does take courage but when you take that bold step and allow yourself to be held and to know that you have Jesus and the Holy Spirit walking beside you helping you with this you just have to have that little bit of willingness and that's what I love about your book because you just lay it out so easily thank you you know you just reminded me you said something about the book about listening to it and then getting it in print and there was a difference for you yeah could you speak to that that was really interesting yeah so I'm going through a phase of just absolutely loving audible and so I've so I've had your book on audible for quite for quite a while and I listen to it in the car and you know listening to when I'm you know cleaning around the house and when I'm just sitting down and and I just love to listen and because it's you who's speaking your voice is so soothing and sweet thank you you know you just feel the energy of you coming through and that in and of itself is healing and and so listening to the book you know this you know you I just heard so much through the book that was so valuable but then it got to a point where I was like I do you know I want to have the physical copy I want to be able to refer to it I want to be able to flip to the exercises really easily so I bought the book and I felt like I was reading a new book I felt like I was reading another book with so much valuable well just with just so much value in there was like oh my gosh highlighting and you know when putting my notes in and doing the exercises so you know I really encourage people if they can to have the different modalities because it just speaks to different parts of you I think I agree and I've had when you had shared that I had resonated with that because I've had the same exact experience with listening to the course in my car and then coming back to the paper like the print book and being like oh and knowing that I've heard this before but then getting it on a whole different level and I've had that with other books as well and so I think you're speaking to these different modalities these different pathways in to our mind be it that we are listening or if we're reading that it can be really helpful to get it from all different different fronts because we do get it on that different level so that was super super interesting and you know you also said something earlier that I wanted to come back to when we were in preparation for this call you gave an example of feeling like a different person where something that should have angered you didn't and could you could do you know what I'm talking about could you speak to that yeah I've had and because I've been working more with your book this the last couple of weeks and you know what I suppose really going to town with it you know really working it and and I was speaking to a friend yesterday and she was asking me well you know what what are the differences that you feel since you've been studying a course in miracles and one of the things that I really know is that you can kind of get something because as a concept but then it you know you're not embodying the concept you've got to allow it to sink in and you know really to get it on a deeper level and so because I've been working obviously as I said before with the course for a couple of years and then and then your book for the last few months and what I've noticed in myself is that I'm calmer I have more patience I'm more living and considerate and compassionate but I'm also noticing how the things that would usually frustrate me and this is really the last couple of well the last week I've really noticed this the things that would really frustrate me and annoy me it's like I am physically I'm still in the pattern but mentally and emotionally I'm not so I had a situation with my with my six-year-old son last night and the words came out in my old way I've heard these words come out my eyes so many times and they came out but there was no frustration or anger behind the words that it stopped me in my tracks to the point where I was like this doesn't feel right this this interaction doesn't feel me anymore and so I just started laughing and started tickling my little boy and he started laughing and the whole thing just dissolved so in other words you in the past would have gotten angry but this time the words that you said had no anger or frustration in them and you're what in the past would have been anger now was not and you went in the direction instead of laughter is that what I'm hearing yeah that's exactly I just I mean that's awesome that's awesome and it's a beautiful example of how when we have truly forgiven when we've truly handed something over experienced a shift not just a little shift in our mind but the shift into the identity of our capital s self when we start to shift the foundation upon which we're standing so rather than the egos shabby foundation made of mud and straw we are shifting our foundation onto the rock-solid loving foundation of spirit as that foundation is shifting your example is perfect about what can happen when that's happening because we don't react like we used to the things that used to trigger us don't trigger us anymore they lose their charge that's what I'm trying to say they lose their charge and instead we can laugh that away and bringing I mean tickling your son and then just laughing that I'm sure shifted him you then performed a miracle allowing that love to extend through you to your son and that totally transformed the situation it really did it really did any it felt wonderful it just felt like oh that doesn't work anymore that is and you used such a perfect word there the charge wasn't there and I've had I've had another you know I felt that this week I felt that where there would have been a charge you know the scenarios it just wasn't and the words were coming out of my mouth as if I was charged but there wasn't charge there and it feels quite strange but it was like walking away going that just doesn't bother me that just does not bother me you know it's like yeah yeah and it's amazing to have that kind of experience and I have to say you know the way that you explain it in the book forgiveness for giving for giving to the Holy Spirit it's like yeah I'm I'm all for that I am all with you 100% and was this related to just one other detail that we had talked about before had you been that exercise in my book I don't remember what chapter it's in but where you go through steps where you're writing out all your fears and handing looking at each one handing it over to the Holy Spirit had that related to this example at all or is that something different so on Monday of this week so literally five days ago and I started to do that exercise in my journal and so it's the five-step process and you say to write down all the fears every year every fear you can think of every single fear and oh my word I had pages it's so interesting you think you have no fear girlfriend and when you allow yourself watch out get it out and I was just like well that one's coming out and that one's coming out and it was just like it felt like it was you know never gonna stop and so one other part of that exercise is to look at what the underlying belief is and I'll be honest I wrote down that many fears I thought how long am I gonna have to sit here and go through all the underlying fears but what I found was that there was a lot of them were pretty you know they were all bulked into the same one so there was a lot of body identification in there a lot of separation a lot of believing that I authorized myself a lot of believing that I am Natasha and in fact I resonated with all of your personal ones that you wrote back in the book and and so and I went to bed that night and I love to talk to the Holy Spirit before I go to sleep and I love to have a chat and just yeah I don't do it every night but I do just love to talk as though I'm talking to one of my girlfriends and and so I just lay in bed and said to the Holy Spirit look I've uncovered all of these fears and there is a lot of them too many for me to mention right now wasn't the Holy Spirit but I know you know what I've written in my journal and please please look at this with me I am willing to turn these fear back in these fears back into love and I'm willing to hand them over and I can't really remember everything that I was saying but you know I just had this real personal heartfelt chat with the Holy Spirit and then went to sleep and then I woke up and this I can't ever remember this ever happening but I woke up and it was literally the moment that I woke up I heard in my head I am so happy I was like I'm so happy it's five o'clock in the morning and I'm so happy was like that was my my waking thought I am so happy and then as I came round I thought oh wow I handed all those fears over last night and it just it made sense to me it made sense that I woke up having that feeling that that you know um lightness yes yes enjoy yeah yeah and so I would love to share this as well so one of the things that has made that has made me so body identified is that I have physically I have pain in my head every single day and I've spent a lot of time trying to trying to heal this pain in you know a number of ways and since I've been working with your book and you know understanding more about the body being an illusion and and everything else that comes with that a week ago I noticed that for the for the first time in years that I had no pain in my head I had no my shoulders no pain in my neck no pain in my head for hours and I sat on my bed with your book and just felt pure joy actually I was going out with my girlfriends and I felt really tired during the day I was sat on the bed just feeling clean actually that's a good word to use or not but just feeling clean and clear and joyful and grateful and and you know when I'll be transparent the pain has come back but I felt in those you know for a good few hours completely pain-free and I just had the the truth shown to me if that you know a good way to to express it so yeah I mean I just love your book I mean I love A Course in Miracles anyway even if I give myself a couple of weeks break from it I always go back to it oh I love this work I love this work and your book is so complimentary and I would just like to say that I I heard you on a podcast with Emily Bennington and I loved what you were talking about but I didn't buy the book because I still didn't identify myself as somebody who experienced anxiety not long after that few months after that I had my very first panic attacks which are really really nice and obviously you know tongue-in-cheek there and that was my really my first experience I only had three and by the third one I really became the observer of that panic attack and just allowed it to move through me but it wasn't until after that that I picked up in fact quite a while after that that I picked up your book and realized how much your book is around health and the body so I really want to encourage anybody who is feeling you know who is having what they would call health issues physical symptoms to pick up the book if you don't identify as somebody who has anxiety because what you'll find is that you do you are experiencing anxiety it's just in you just call it something else we all do and that's yes thank you for saying that it's it's universal we all experience some level of it because again the core says that we all have anxiety because we believe that we are separate from our source so with that belief which we wouldn't we wouldn't be here if we didn't have it that with that belief that's where anxiety comes from and just like you said we call it different things it might be restlessness it might be an inability to you know sit still but but we all have it to some degree some of us have it more pronounced higher up on that continuum where it's coming out as panic but yeah it's universal well I also love what you say as well is that because we do feel it in that way we we're actually feeling the fear and so we can do something about it it is a strength yes it's we're so sensitive we're sensitive to it and yes the work you know it is a strength because if we didn't have that then how you know how would we be aware of you know the healing work that can come from diving into it so I really liked how you pointed that out in the book as well oh thank you thank you this has been so I'm so inspired and just by your story by you by your energy by your peacefulness and is there as we wrap up is there anything else you'd like to share is my first question and my second question is what takeaway would you like to leave for the listeners yeah the first thing if you haven't picked up the book please do it is so so going to be worth your while for so many reasons so that's the first thing and the second thing is I used to do this the hard way I thought I was on my own with this stuff I thought I had to figure everything out I thought that yeah I just thought I had to figure everything out myself and being where I am now a couple of years into studying the course compared to where I was before knowing that you aren't on your own and that you don't have to feel the way that you feel is just so I just I just want everybody to know that this work is it's it's life-changing it really is life-changing you aren't on your own you know I encourage you to read that sentence out loud I'm sorry I can't remember it all and I'll get Korean say it again if you knew who walked beside you on the way that you have chosen fear would be impossible and that that's what I want to leave everybody with beautiful oh so beautiful that's one of my most favorite quotes in the course because literally if we knew who walked beside us who is walking beside us right now on this pathway fear would be impossible so this is a journey of awakening to the fact that we do not walk alone and your story is just such a beautiful demonstration of that so thank you Natasha I love you thank you thank you so much this has been amazing and really fun oh thank you Corinne I love you too really do thanks everyone bye I am so inspired by Natasha's story I'm also really touched by how much she has been working the exercises in my book that's just amazing and Natasha's dedication to being a course student to really engaging with spirit and doing this work doing what the course says has truly created some miracles in her life so here are my takeaways from this episode number one straighten up your posture I love how Natasha described this shoulders back boobies out being open in your posture instead of being contracted and this actually leads to my second takeaway so my second takeaway in addition to straightening up your posture is to be vulnerable with spirit now we didn't actually talk about this in the episode but I know Natasha spoke to that feeling of sitting with an open posture can be hard it can create a space where you feel very vulnerable where difficult feelings are coming up but you're meeting those feelings with this openness in your heart that can really make a feeling of vulnerability come about but I want you to remember that the ego doesn't want you to be vulnerable with spirit the ego would want you to stay contracted to stay protecting of your fear instead being vulnerable and fully transparent with spirit about your fears and your anxieties is how we heal so again just to quickly recap my first takeaway straighten up your posture second takeaway be vulnerable with spirit through your open posture my third takeaway remember that healing is at the level of the mind so Natasha's example of her pain going away is a great example of how the body responds to what the mind is choosing it's so important though to not judge the pain returning this happened with my mom once my mom gets really bad migraine headaches and she had a very healing experience where those migraine headaches went away for a huge chunk of time longer than they had ever gone away before they did come back but the ego will want to say hey it didn't work the healing didn't happen because the headache is back or the pain is back but that's not true once healing has been received it is kept and therefore it is our job to continue to bring our mind to the truth despite pain coming back or despite external appearances takeaway number four this is actually a direct quote from Natasha this is something she said before we started recording and I loved it so much I wrote it down Natasha said I know that I am looked after and supported when I allow myself to trust and be in faith I love these words Natasha's experience of looking at all of her fears with spirit doing that deep inner work really paved the way for many experiences during her vacation where she was receiving love receiving love receiving love her new wardrobe was just one of many such experiences before the recording started she said that she saw all of these experiences of receiving on her vacation as proof that she's looked after and supported when she allows herself to trust and to be in faith a key piece to emphasize in what Natasha is saying is that we're always looked after and supported but we only know it we are only aware of it as we allow ourselves to be in trust and to be in faith I hope her words will serve as a positive affirmation for you you can download these takeaways and find a link to Natasha's website on the show notes page available at fromanxietytolove.

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