Unifying The Feminine & Masculine - L,L,&L W/Glenn Ambrose

Welcome to Life Lessons and Laughter with your host,

Glenn Ambrose.

Hello,

Hello.

Welcome to the show,

Everybody.

So today we got a special treat.

My neighbor,

My friend,

My cohort on the mountain is joining us today.

And I'm gonna bring her on right now.

Her name is Tahira,

And she shares this mountain with me.

So here we go.

Here's Tahira.

Hello.

Hey.

Welcome,

Welcome.

Thank you.

Nice to be back in the podcast portal with you.

Yes.

Yeah,

We did one years ago,

But we haven't done one since.

So before we even lean in,

You've got your own business in the spiritual world here and do lots of good things.

So when I was introducing you,

I was thinking about some things I could say,

And I'm like,

I'm gonna cut it short.

So could you let people know who you are and what you do a little bit?

And then we can go from there.

Yeah.

So again,

My name's Tahira.

I've been in the healing realm for over 20 years.

I started off as a clinical trained therapist.

Then through my spiritual awakening,

I began to journey into more of the shamanic practices.

Over the years,

I started to study with other shamans and spiritual teachers that literally was just reminding me who I was and what I was capable of.

And so I transitioned completely out of the therapy world.

And now I facilitate plant medicines and other different modalities here at the Oasis in the Mountains in the Dominican Republic,

Where Glenn is also not,

He's like right by the temple.

And also I have a school called Ecology of Shamanism,

Where I empower healers to really step into their sovereignty.

And they begin to also study with some of the medicines that I also serve.

And I also do retreats,

International retreats.

I have one in Egypt coming up.

And that is just in a nutshell what I do.

Yeah.

There's a lot more for sure.

And I think,

As you were talking,

I got this little flash that I wanted to share with my audience,

Because the people that listen to me know me,

Right?

So the reason that,

The way that I got over here to the Dominican Republic was through you.

So it was beginning of COVID.

And I just happened to come across one of your videos on Instagram.

And I very rarely listen to videos from anybody.

For some reason,

I was moved to listen to yours.

Then I listened to another one.

And I'm like,

Damn,

She really knows her stuff.

She knows what she's talking about.

And she's deep.

And she's courageous.

She'll go anywhere.

And that's like very,

For me,

That's very rare to find.

There are lots of people who teach kind of surfacy.

And there are also a lot of people that do know what they're doing,

But don't go that deep.

And maybe it's a tactic to stay popular on the surface and reach more people.

But I really resonate with going deep within stuff.

So you really caught my attention with the work that you were doing,

Which made me reach out to you and talk to you about the Dominican Republic.

And you're like,

Yeah,

Come on over,

Try it out.

So I did.

Next thing you know,

And then here we are,

Almost five years later,

And we've been neighbors for the last four and a half.

So amazing.

So that's my take on Tahira,

For those of you listening.

I'm not having her on because she's my neighbor.

She's my neighbor because I enjoyed the way she delivered information and how she saw things.

So with that in mind,

When I was thinking about doing a podcast for this,

I thought of Tahira immediately.

And I'm like,

Okay,

There's a huge rise in the divine feminine right now.

And it's,

Of course,

Necessary to bring us back into balance.

So there's a huge adjustment period that all of society is going through.

So,

You know,

And when I brought it up to you,

You're like,

Yeah,

I see it too.

We're seeing some difficulties in,

We're seeing the learning curve,

We're seeing the aspects that need healing.

And so,

Yeah,

What's your take on this?

Whatever you want to start with,

The rise of divine feminine,

How it affects the feminine and or the masculine?

Yeah.

So the feminine rising in people,

It's not only women,

It's also men as well.

And like you said,

It's all about coming back to the who we are within.

And the reason why it's maybe difficult for a lot of people is because they're trying to understand what's going on inside.

And they may not be afformed with this whole feminine rising thing.

And so,

You know,

The feminine energy is an energy that has been suppressed over thousands and thousands of years.

And a lot of people understand that in regards to,

You know,

The patriarch and so forth.

And so now we're just in a new time.

This is new times.

This is the beautiful time of,

You know,

If you want to call it the golden age,

New age of Aquarius,

But we're coming back to ourselves as human beings,

As spiritual beings.

And so the balance must take place in all of us.

And so the feminine rising is a term that is used to describe that,

You know,

The feminine energy inside of us,

The healer,

The nurturer is coming forth.

And so the fire is lit.

And so that's maybe why people are experiencing,

You know,

Deep emotional cleansing.

Their thought processes are deepening.

It's because the healer,

I say the healer,

Because the feminine is a beautiful healer energy,

Is rising inside of you to unite with the masculine.

So it's unifying.

So it's not about disconnecting or separating from the masculine.

It's all about,

Let's come into unification.

Let's come back to harmony so we could be more balanced human beings,

Which will ultimately shift the world.

And it's going to happen.

It's already happening.

It's not going away.

You know?

So that's what's going on with a lot of people.

And it could be challenging because there's a lot of healing.

There's a lot of inner work that's being taken place inside of all of us.

And it's just like,

It's just time to get real.

It's time to get,

It's time to go deep with whatever it is that has been suppressed is coming to the surface for a reason.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well said.

And I think it's,

You know,

I think part of,

You know,

I,

I try to step back to gain perspective.

And when I think about the,

The oppression and suppression of the feminine for all these thousands of years,

What,

You know,

How does that play out?

Well,

Well,

That plays out in a way that humans,

Men and women don't have a healthy view of the feminine,

You know,

Because it's been suppressed for so long.

So how could we,

You know,

One of my favorite quotes is Einstein who said,

You can't fix a problem with the consciousness that created it.

Yeah.

I like that.

So if we've been conditioned to view men as one way and women as another way or masculine in one way and feminine in another way for thousands of years,

And this is ingrained within us.

And now all of a sudden we're coming up to,

To usher in a new balanced way of life.

Well,

Of course,

There's going to be learning curves.

Of course,

There's going to be problems.

Of course,

We're going to have to shift the way we're looking at things to make it fit the new reality that's coming in,

You know?

So,

And I think part of that is this,

You know,

Men,

The only power we've really seen up until now is toxic masculine power.

So,

So therefore men and women unconsciously or subconsciously kind of think that that's what power looks like.

Yes,

Yes,

Exactly.

You know,

So they're like,

Oh,

Well,

You know,

So then the men are going to go,

I have to be powerful.

I can't let this feminine come in and don't change me because I want to be powerful and I want to be in charge and I want to succeed and this is what it takes.

So don't,

So I'm not interested in looking at that.

And then from a feminine point,

They're like,

I'm not being oppressed or suppressed anymore.

I'm going to embody,

I'm going to be powerful.

Well,

Okay,

What is you being powerful look like?

And a lot of them look at toxic masculinity as a symbol,

As what power looks like,

You know?

So I think from both sides that the fact that we haven't lived like this for thousands of years and that we have a learning curve to understand this,

You know,

I think bringing some insight into that,

Hopefully with people can kind of help them.

They're like,

Oh yeah,

Like I kind of,

I kind of did look at being powerful as the symbols of powerful people that I've seen my entire life.

Exactly.

And those people act in masculine energy.

That's not the only way to be powerful.

In fact,

Coming back into balance is going to be a lot more powerful.

Yes.

Even the rise of the divine feminine,

Like even leaning more into the feminine than the masculine right now,

I think is going to be,

Is more of the way to actually embrace our power because we're out of balance.

And what does nature do?

Nature needs to make whatever is out of balance,

More powerful than what is in place so it will come back into balance.

Yes,

Exactly.

So I think the divine feminine energy is actually more powerful and masculine right now,

Not because it actually is,

But because it's out of balance and we need to get back,

Bring it back up and into balance.

I like that.

I like that.

And you know,

The power that we've been presented with has been toxic,

You know,

And so it's not really power.

Exactly.

Exactly.

That's why,

Like,

I see this beautiful divine feminine coming in and where we're going and I can kind of,

You know,

I can't even wrap my brain around it fully,

But I get the energy of it and it's so beautiful and balanced and powerful and in a beautiful,

Wonderful,

Empowering way.

And then I see all these people grasping at greed and suppression as a symbol of power.

And I'm like,

No,

That's what we're trying to get out of.

Like,

We just went through thousands of years of this.

So if,

Like,

We're trying to change the energy,

Not the sex.

Yes,

Exactly.

If we have a bunch of men suppressing and basting greed and it's caused all these problems,

If we have women doing the same thing,

It doesn't solve anything.

No,

It don't.

And that's why it's important to be open to the inner work of like,

You know,

As the women are coming into who they remember,

You know,

Of themselves,

Remembering their power,

Not to lash out on males.

Because again,

As the feminine energy has been suppressed,

There's also been a lot of conditioning around masculine energy.

So it's like,

We have to come into like common terms and actually have that,

You know,

Have the conversations,

Do the deeper work so we can unify.

And like you mentioned,

The conditioning around power has been completely manipulated.

And it's all about greed.

It's all about,

You know,

I always say money,

Sex,

Power,

That type of thing.

And so with the feminine coming back into balance within ourselves,

It's like we're coming back to our natural selves.

And like you mentioned,

Nature.

Nature is the master teacher of us understanding what power really is,

What balance really is,

And know that nature is always alchemizing herself.

You know,

She's always doing something,

Even if we don't understand it,

Even if we don't see it,

Even if we don't like it.

She's always doing something in order to bring balance and harmony back into,

You know,

Back into earth,

Back into the plants,

You know,

The beings,

And also us,

Because we exist here.

So it's like,

Understanding that we are a reflection of that.

That's all.

We're reflection.

And so it's coming back to natural balance inside of us.

So like you said,

There's going to be some turbulence.

There's going to be a learning curve about it because it's new.

It's new.

It's bright.

It's passionate.

You know,

People feel the passion,

And,

You know,

They want to get on Instagram,

Social media.

I get it.

I get it.

I totally understand.

But like you said,

It's like being mindful.

Like,

Are you still polarizing a side?

Are you still,

You know,

Polarizing,

You know,

Everything's about the feminine or polarizing the masculine?

It's like,

You can be empowered and not polarize and blame and shame and argue.

So that's part of the healing too.

Yeah.

And I think that that's it.

You know,

That's the key.

And when we're talking about a title,

We,

You know,

You said unify.

And I was like,

Yes,

You know,

That's,

That's the concept.

Because I think it's,

You know,

As,

As that fire comes up,

Um,

You know,

And of course,

The reason I want to have you on is because,

You know,

You're a woman,

And I'm a man.

So I wanted to get both those outlooks.

And from,

You know,

I'm,

I'm saying this from a man's perspective.

And,

You know,

And I'd like your perspective.

So it's like,

If,

If that fire is burning,

Right,

And we'll just say,

For this example,

The fire is burning inside,

Inside women and going,

Hey,

I,

It's time for me to step into my power here.

And that that fire,

That empowerment is powerful.

And it's trying to push its way out.

And if it's pushed out,

If we allow it out,

In a unifying way,

With the mentality of coming together and unifying,

It's going to be a beautiful thing.

And what?

Yeah,

I mean,

It's going to be the best,

But as it comes out in the negative attacking way,

Then it turns into just another example of every problem on the planet.

And,

You know,

And we can see it in politics now,

Of course,

Not to get into politics,

But it's just the,

The,

The,

The dynamic of problem solution.

What I see most people doing is what you were talking about.

It's the polarization.

Polarization is a symptom of the ego because the ego creates separation,

Whereas our soul creates unity.

Right?

So whenever there's whenever there's separation being created,

Then we know that that's ego driven.

Whenever there's polarization being happening,

Then we know that's ego driven.

So,

And that's what we have to avoid.

And so,

So it's like,

If,

If you,

You know,

This we're talking about men and women right now,

But we can use this in,

In any topic,

I've never seen a,

A argument or a difference of opinion or a difficult situation.

I've never seen that bridged by one side attacking another.

Right.

Exactly.

It's never happened.

It doesn't work.

Right.

It doesn't work.

We're focused on the problem.

We're not focused on the solution.

So,

So it's like,

As long as we're standing up going,

You're the problem,

You're bad,

You're bad,

Because there,

There are there,

You know,

I don't know what the percentage is,

But I know I'm one.

There's a certain percentage of the masculine of the,

The male species on this planet that is sitting here excited for the rise of the divine feminine,

You know,

And I don't,

Like I said,

I have no idea what percentage of men that is.

I'm guessing it's probably smaller than we'd like,

But,

But we're out here.

And so like,

When,

If,

If I'm over here going like,

Yes,

Let's go rise the divine feminine.

And then I'm getting attacked over and over and over being told that I'm the problem after a while.

I'm like,

I don't,

I I'm trying to support you and you keep yelling at me and saying,

I'm the problem.

I don't like,

How do I get on your side?

Because that's where I want to be.

I want to support you in this rising.

And I can't figure out a way to get there because every time I attempt to,

I get just bashed for what the elite have been doing to people for thousands of years.

That's not who I am.

That's not who,

What I represent.

That's not where I see us going.

I want to be part of the solution.

How do I become part of it?

Yeah.

And,

And,

And those,

You know,

The women who are doing that just like the men,

But particularly,

You know,

In conversation with the women,

They have to take accountability that that is coming from,

You know,

Unresolved wounds.

Yeah.

And,

You know,

And yes,

Feel that power of the feminine horizon,

But also know that the fire is purification for your soul.

You know,

That's how we look at it in shamanism is it's a purification for your soul.

So you,

Instead of looking at things externally,

Look within,

See what's happening on the inside.

Why do you feel the need to lash out?

There's something going on inside that needs to be healed.

And it's not that man's fault.

It is your responsibility to go inside and heal that.

So that way,

You know,

Men like yourself who are excited and want to be in that support network there,

They welcome that in.

So they have to take accountability and,

And this like men have to take accountability.

Cause what I see in some men is the resistance,

You know,

It's the resistance of not embracing this evolution.

And again,

It's not going anywhere.

So you might as well go ahead and embrace it and surrender to it.

It's not going anywhere.

Whatever we resist persists.

Yeah,

Exactly.

So I see,

I see,

And I sense that resistance because of the conditioning of the masculine always being in control,

You know,

And having that toxic ego power.

And so that also needs to be healing within themselves.

And so there's a lot of inner work and the more inner work we do,

We can understand each other,

You know,

As human beings,

As women and men,

And we could all sit at the table equally and hear each other and listen to each other.

Because that's also part of the healing too,

You know,

Women not feeling like they've been heard because you know,

All there is,

Is men at the table.

And if there is one woman at the table,

Ain't nobody asking her any questions.

Right.

And I think,

You know,

That's,

And that's a,

That's a beautiful,

For,

For men,

Like the way this played out,

I think is perfect because,

Because men are so defensive,

You know,

And that's part of our healing.

So,

And,

And,

You know,

And then now,

From a,

From a surfacy perspective,

It looks like we're being attacked.

So of course,

It's going to bring up people's defenses.

But to your point,

That's our healing work.

That's what we need to do.

You know,

Something I learned many years ago is don't let your circumstances or other people determine who you are.

Exactly.

You know,

So if we're,

If we're men and we go,

Oh,

But,

But,

You know,

The women are attacking me every,

Every way we want to,

When we see a problem,

We,

We,

That's external,

We want to address it on an external level.

And the solution isn't there.

Like,

If you're feeling defensive,

Then you need to go in and heal that and understand as a man,

That you,

They can't change you by attacking you,

You know,

Because there is going to be some of that attacking going on.

You know,

Who do you want to be?

Do you want to be supportive?

Do you want to be in balance with,

With masculine and feminine?

Do you,

You know,

Do you,

Do you want to treat women as equals?

Well,

If you do,

And you really do,

Don't let anything take that away from you.

Don't let some external behaviors of some people that haven't done their inner work,

Change who you are.

And that's our inner work.

We,

You know,

If we,

If I focus,

If men focus on their inner work and women focus on their inner work,

Then we're going to naturally come together.

Instead,

We're standing on opposite sides of the pool pointing,

You know,

Uh-huh.

Yeah.

The other side.

It's your fault.

It's your fault.

It's like,

As victimhood,

Like you're just playing into the victim card,

Both,

Both parties playing into the victim card.

And that's what you do more.

All that does is just give,

Give you more excuses not to do the deeper work.

Right.

It just distracts us from our own work.

I cannot,

I have yet to,

You know,

I've been on this path for over 20 years.

I have,

I have yet to fix a problem externally.

Every single aspect of my life,

If there's an external problem,

I have to go within to heal it.

You know,

Once I heal,

Whatever brought that problem up to the surface for me to see once I do the internal work,

Then the external stop showing it to me.

We're seeing a lot of unhealed wounds.

Yeah.

That's what we're seeing.

We're seeing that.

And it's supposed,

We're supposed to see it because if we don't see it,

Then we're not going to be aware about it.

You know?

And so that awareness piece is where that person can choose.

Either I externalize this or I go within and do,

You know,

What I need to do in order to release,

Release the suppression,

Release the traumas,

Whatever it is,

Because like you said,

People are going to respond to you.

However they respond to you and you can't let others dictate how you feel within.

And it is an excuse.

It's an excuse for people to continue to be in victimhood.

And that's not going to get you anywhere.

That's going to just keep you in a cycle of victim and blaming and shaming and suffering.

That's all that's going to do.

Yeah.

It's,

It's,

You know,

It's the,

The,

When we're focusing on the problem,

All we see is the problem.

You know,

When we're focusing on the solution,

We find the solution.

Yes.

Yes.

I've never seen any problem get solved by two people arguing about the problem.

No.

Yeah.

Cause nobody's listening.

You know,

People's,

People's rage is now in control,

You know?

And that's also another thing that I am witnessing in feminine energy that,

You know,

The rage,

Right.

They call it sacred rage.

And it's like,

Yes,

I understand that,

You know,

Because of the suppression,

Because of all of the,

You know,

Thousands of years,

Feeling it for our ancestors,

Feeling it for our grandmothers,

Our aunts,

Our mothers,

All of that.

I totally get that.

And at the same time,

There comes a time where you hold yourself accountable and say,

Do I want to continue to like send this message out there?

Like,

This is the message that I'm sending out to the world.

And it,

Like you said,

There's no solution to it.

I'm just,

I'm just rageful.

I'm just angry.

I'm upset.

And you can have those stages.

You can have those stages of healing.

Cause that is part of the healing is to go through the stages of emotions and grief,

But then there's other stages after that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's the point.

You know,

That's the point.

It's like in our society,

It seemed like 30,

40 years ago or something,

Some psychologists figured out that you shouldn't stuff your emotions.

Right.

And then we've been stuck there ever since.

It's like,

You know,

So this is like,

You know,

So people grieving over,

Over a loss for 40 years and never making any progress.

And,

You know,

And it's like,

Well,

It's like,

We're supposed to go through stuff.

Yes.

You know,

We're supposed,

I saw her meme the other day,

We're supposed to climb the mountain,

Not carry it with us.

Yeah.

So it's like,

This is,

If we see this as a process of going through like a lot,

You know,

I think that that rage gets stuck there,

Whether it's a,

Whether it's a feminine rage of going,

You know,

We've been oppressed or a masculine rage of saying,

Oh,

I'm being attacked.

Yes.

Like if we just stay there,

We're screwed.

Yeah.

You know,

But it's like,

Okay,

So that's happening.

What's the solution?

Well,

It's us doing our internal work.

Yes.

And when you really step into your power,

You like authentic,

Balanced power,

You start understanding that nobody can control you.

You're a sovereign being,

And that's where we want to go.

That's,

That's the empowerment you want.

We,

We all want to feel.

So let's meet,

You know,

Let's,

Let's start walking towards there instead of,

You know,

And it's one of the reasons why I want to have you on,

Because most women are going to say,

Well,

That's easy for you to say,

Glenn,

You,

You know,

Your species,

Your sex has been in power for thousands of years.

So it's like,

Yeah,

Well,

I understand that.

But what do you think the solution is?

Like the,

The feminine becoming in power and oppressing men for 10,

20,

000.

Neither one's going to work.

Like we already proved that.

So,

You know,

It's,

It's the,

It's the pendulum,

I think.

And,

And we're,

You know,

That they use in Daoism and I use in all kinds of areas.

It's like,

Okay,

We've been out of balance with the masculine in control.

Yeah.

So we can either get out of balance with the feminine and under control or in control,

Or we can just meet in the middle,

Which frees up our energy to move forward together.

Yes,

Exactly.

And there's going to be an overcorrection,

You know,

And we might be seeing parts of that now,

Where when you release the energy from the toxic masculine,

It naturally swings a little too far over here.

Yes.

Yes.

And then we got to come back into balance.

Yes.

Exactly.

And it reminds me,

You,

You brought up a,

Made me think of the movie,

The Barb,

The Barbie movie.

Yeah.

And that played out that whole,

You know,

The Barbie,

They had a Barbie world,

All the women were in control.

And it was like all about the women,

All about the women,

Women were presidents and doctors and,

And Ken,

You know,

He was just there,

You know,

Just,

You know,

Kind of existing,

Waiting for Barbie to love him and care for him.

And,

You know,

The,

The Barbie women were having such a great time.

And anyway,

One of the Barbies like had like a,

Literally a spiritual awakening,

Literally,

And decided to go out into the real world.

And Ken followed her because he was in love with her.

And he ends up seeing the patriarch of like the human.

And he was like,

Wow,

Like men are really in power here.

That's awesome.

You know,

So,

So he was absorbing all of that.

He takes it back to Barbie world and like shifts the whole dynamic.

And so she comes back and now Ken isn't Ken,

The Ken's are in charge of everything.

And now the women are suppressed.

And so they had at the end,

They had to realize.

This is beautiful.

It's so beautiful.

And this is how I look at stuff.

You know,

Like I,

I always go in through a spiritual lens always,

You know,

Maybe some people just look at that as a regular movie,

But I'm like,

Wow,

That's,

This is powerful.

So anyway,

Towards the end,

They end up having to find that balance and not realizing that we can actually work together.

And this is going to create more harmony for our world and it's going to create more peace.

And so taking that information,

Everything that we're saying and internalizing that it's all about finding your peace.

And when you're at peace,

Nothing outside of you can dictate that.

Like you said,

It is all about that sovereignty.

So people's going to be people,

People are always going to be peopling,

But the whole point of this evolution is to get back to that peace back to that balance.

So we could see more of that in the world and that's going to be a ripple effect.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And it's,

You know,

The,

The,

The,

The,

The solution lies in that radical responsibility,

You know,

It's understanding that if,

If we are upset internally,

Then there's some internal work we need to do.

It's,

It's the,

The external is just symptoms,

You know?

So,

You know,

Whenever I get upset about anything,

It's,

You know,

Not perfect.

Sometimes I can't do it in a moment,

But afterwards,

Preferably during,

But sometimes afterwards I'll be like,

Okay,

So I was upset.

It's not the world's fault.

Like it's this something,

This brought something up for me to see and for me to heal.

So if I look at that and heal it,

Then I'm going to be less likely to get knocked off in the future.

Yes.

And I'm going to be more capable of interacting in a healthy way.

And that's why at the end of the day,

All,

All work is inside work because you know,

Do we have to change some things in society?

Of course we have to change some things in society,

Right?

We're completely out of balance,

But how are we going to accomplish that?

And this is like,

I had,

Um,

I did a podcast on,

On,

Um,

On like righteous anger and stuff.

Like all anger is righteous.

Everybody thinks they have a right to be angry when they're angry.

But like at,

At the end of the day,

It doesn't solve anything.

So,

So like the,

You know,

Once we heal that inside,

Then we can,

You know,

And as,

As men,

As we heal what we need to heal inside when,

You know,

Like,

Let's say we're being attacked and it brings up our defensiveness and we feel off.

So if we go inside,

Instead of defending ourselves,

Go inside and heal that part of us,

Then,

And only then are we going to be capable of having a conversation and going from a non-defensive place from a non-attacking place and just go like,

Oh,

Okay.

I understand that you're upset.

Um,

How can I make this right?

Let's,

Let's work towards a solution instead of going,

Don't attack me.

I didn't do anything to you.

I'm on your side.

You know?

It's like being vulnerable,

Right?

Like that word vulnerability,

Like learning to be open to,

To receiving instead of defending.

Yeah.

And that's a beautiful point too,

Because like vulnerability is most people perceive that as opening up with the possibility of being hurt.

But when you're truly sovereign and in control of your own experience,

It's opening up fully and finding out that you can't be hurt.

And it's powerful too,

When you're able to do that.

It's extremely powerful.

Yeah.

Possibly the most powerful.

Yeah.

It's amazing.

It's so transformative.

Yeah.

That you open up a well of,

Uh,

Healing and insight that you can now see more clearly like about yourself,

You know,

Especially in relationships,

Right.

You know,

When you're in a partnership with somebody and you finally just say,

I surrender to the partnership.

I surrender to my partner and be vulnerable with that because,

You know,

With this feminine rising,

You know,

There's partnerships that are being shaken because of it.

Oh yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

A lot.

And I,

And I think it's,

You know,

There's that is going to be a lot of the struggles that we see in that particular dynamic,

You know,

And it's,

Yeah.

When we,

If,

If men can heal what we need to heal.

So we're capable of,

Of,

Um,

Being vulnerable in a way,

Like I said,

Not so you're taking a chance of getting hurt,

Opening,

Just understanding that you can't be hurt.

If you can get to that way,

Then you can be truly vulnerable and then we can help.

And that's kind of the rise of the,

The divine feminine within us as men.

And you know,

Then we have the capability of meeting in love.

But it,

You know,

As long as where the,

I think the reason that we have to do the internal work before we do the external work is that it's,

It,

That's what determines our energy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And that's what you're manifesting.

You're manifesting everything that's going on in the internal world is exactly your external world because it all begins within,

It all begins with self first.

So that's why the most important thing you can do is go back to yourself,

Realizing that you have the power and that's the real power.

You have the real power to hold yourself accountable and hold yourself in those vulnerable tender spaces.

So you could bring yourself into that like love vibration,

That,

You know,

Universal love vibration and that energy is what's going to be felt in the world.

Yeah.

And it,

And it's strong,

You know,

It's like one of the things that I hear about this transition period from kind of both sides is,

Is the confusion around because we're so addicted to viewing,

Uh,

Toxic masculinity is power.

Now all of a sudden when men start opening up to their,

To their feminine,

It's they,

They're perceived as weak.

Right.

And that's just because we haven't done the internal work yet.

Like as we do the internal work,

Standing in,

In love,

Love is the most powerful energy in the universe.

So like if we're standing,

You know,

People think of love is this syrupy romantic you know,

And it's an aspect of love.

Love is strong,

Man.

There is nothing more powerful than love.

So like if,

When,

When we do our healing and we can stand in that unconditional love,

We can stand in our vulnerability.

And then if it gets attacked,

We can stand there and go,

No,

Yes.

I'm standing in this vulnerability strong and you can't hurt me.

Then all of a sudden we're perceived as weakness.

Because I mean,

I think some men are trying to do that.

They're standing,

They're trying to open their hearts and they're trying to be vulnerable,

But they haven't completed the internal work yet.

So that they're like,

Look,

I'm,

I'm a loving,

Caring being.

And women's,

You know,

A woman comes along and says,

You suck.

And you go,

Oh,

That hurts.

Oh no.

I think I'm going to cry.

That's the woman,

Right?

Because the women have been conditioned to some of the women,

Particularly from certain households and how they grew up,

They've been conditioned to believe that vulnerability is weak for a man.

And so it's like,

That's gotta get worked out within,

Within their internal world.

Right.

So they're working through that and their internal world.

And then the men are working on,

It's actually standing in that vulnerability in a strong,

Powerful way instead of,

Because it is weak when they do it that way.

If you,

You know,

If you just open up and be like,

Oh,

I'm just this loving open flower.

And somebody comes over and goes,

Screw you.

And you go,

Oh no,

I'm hurting.

Like that is weakness.

It's like learning to be vulnerable and be strong.

Right.

You know,

Right.

And protecting yourself too.

Right.

Like you got,

And that's,

That's part of the masculine energy is protect yourself.

So you could be power,

You could be vulnerable and strong at the same time.

It's,

It's the,

It's the most strength that there is like,

You know,

That,

That I think that to me,

That's the ultimate because it's like being able,

And I don't think I'm fully there yet,

But being able to fully open up,

Fully vulnerable and,

And deeply,

Truly embodying the truth that nobody can hurt you.

The only thing that would attack another being is ego.

A soul would not attack another soul because it understands we're one.

Yes.

Yes.

So if we can fully open up and no matter what anybody says,

No matter how attacking they come at you,

It bounces off and you look at them and you see everything is either love or a lack of love.

So when somebody is attacking you going,

Oh,

They must be hurting inside.

I understand.

And not defending yourself from it,

But understanding it doesn't have anything to do with you.

It has nothing to do with you.

Like,

That's the thing.

And it's like,

It's not even about,

I say,

It's not even about sending them love or anything.

It's just like,

I always say,

Oh,

That's their process.

That's whatever process they're in,

That's their process,

But that's not mine to absorb,

You know,

And keep moving on with your,

With your,

With your life,

With being open,

Being unconditional love to self.

And that's what we're always going to see.

We're always going to see the dualities play out.

So this is not about perfection.

This is not about,

You know,

We're coming into this perfect world where everybody is going to be in harmony.

No,

This is about more people coming into that balance that's going to shift,

You know,

The frequency of the world.

And so,

And then over time,

You know,

Maybe one day,

Maybe one day that could happen.

But in our lifetime,

We were,

Like you said,

We're in that transitional phase.

We're at the beginning stages of what's to come later.

And such,

It's such a beautiful time.

And it's like,

Take advantage of being here during this time,

Having this awareness and being able to do that work and know that the more you do that you,

Your relationships become so much better,

You know,

Like the,

Yeah,

Your relationship,

The female relationships,

The male relationships,

You know,

Women always talk about wanting,

You know,

A more balanced masculine in their life and divine masculine.

And I always point back to self.

So what is imbalanced in you that's attracting this imbalanced masculine?

Right.

That's it.

Like,

Cause that's what it is.

Like,

Let's just,

Let's just go there.

Like,

Let's just go there.

Or,

You know,

They,

They want these partnerships,

But again,

They see themselves in this pattern of constantly attracting,

You know,

This quote unquote imbalanced masculine.

Okay.

Well then what's going on with you?

And then sure enough,

I don't trust the masculine.

Okay.

So how are you going to ask for a balanced masculine partner if you don't trust the masculine inside yourself?

Yeah,

It's that's it.

It's,

You know,

And of course it goes both ways.

I've gotten on,

You know,

Some,

Some,

Some men's and father's groups recently to try to help some of the men and,

And like the,

The,

I,

I honestly,

I wasn't aware because I don't think like this,

Like the,

The amount of,

Of hurt that's going on out there that's,

And,

And the,

The lashing back out.

And because of these changes,

I was like,

Oh my God,

This is why I want to do the podcast.

Like I saw it with the,

With the feminine side,

But then I hadn't seen it so much with the masculine just because I wasn't the,

The,

The men aren't having like,

It's socially unacceptable to put down a woman right now in society.

It's just,

You know,

It's just socially unacceptable.

Now it's completely socially acceptable to put down a man.

And I understand that that's part of society now.

Like I,

You know,

As a man,

I see it all over the place,

But I don't,

I don't internalize it,

You know,

Because I know that it's where it's part of this shift going on.

And,

You know,

I think like,

So you brought up relationships and I think that that's a good topic to touch on before we wrap up.

It's like,

You know,

It affects a lot of relationships.

And I think a lot from a,

I guess,

Surfacy perspective,

A lot of people are thinking,

You know,

Looking at this going,

Okay,

Yeah,

There's a change in women.

Um,

There needs to be a change in men,

But it's a problem because like,

You know,

The,

The women say,

Okay,

I want,

I want a strong man or no,

I want an open man.

And then a man is going,

Well,

I'm supposed to be strong.

Well,

No,

I'm supposed to be open.

And,

You know,

And of course the,

The ultimate solution,

I think is like what we already talked about,

Right.

It's each side doing their own internal work.

Yeah.

And also there has been this conditioning around strong and strength,

You know,

That toxic strength.

Exactly.

And I hear,

I hear the women,

Oh,

I want a strong man.

I want a man who's dependent,

Dah,

Dah,

Dah,

Dah,

Dah.

However,

Later on,

Oh,

He doesn't open up to me.

He doesn't talk to me.

And it's like,

Well,

You wanted a strong man.

Right.

And that's your condition to believe a strong man should be.

And then there is also the other side of a man what thinking they should,

They have to show up in that way all the time.

And for them to open themselves up to,

You know,

Be vulnerable,

Like,

Like we've been saying,

It's a sign of weakness.

So again,

Even that word has been conditioned,

Like,

What is strength?

What is real strength?

What is real power?

And taking a look at that.

And we'll get,

You know,

Like some of the people that are doing the hardcore work.

And there will be more as time goes on that that really come into full balance with both.

And then of course,

If there's a man that's in full balance with both,

Then he's only going to be able to be in a happy,

Healthy relationship with a woman who's in balance with both.

It's honoring both sides.

And so that's like,

You know,

That's the,

I guess,

Epitome of it.

That's that's the beauty.

But in the meantime,

There's going to be a myriad of different looking types of relationships that actually can work.

Yeah.

So,

So do you do you think that it's like,

Like,

What I see is some,

It has to be to me,

It has to be based on the person,

Because there are some people,

There are some women and some men that feel more comfortable with others dominating them,

To some degree,

Not in an abusive way,

Just like having a decision maker,

Their partner.

And there are men that that like having the woman make the decisions.

And there are women who like the men making decisions.

Yeah,

This is just surfacey.

This isn't necessarily energetic.

Yeah,

It's just preference to it's right.

It's it's personal preference.

So so like,

If,

If you're a woman that really likes making all the decisions in her life,

And,

You know,

Kind of an alpha type personality,

Then if you've got a man that's the same,

Yeah,

And thinks he's,

You're probably gonna butt heads a lot.

So yeah,

It's gonna cry.

So you so so finding somebody that's really happy and comfortable in the,

In the opposite role,

Right,

Just in this particular,

Yeah,

You know,

Topic,

Not necessarily in all areas.

You have to treat each other with respect and equal.

It's not one dominating and being holding power over the other.

That's not what I'm talking about.

Just the personal preferences.

Like,

I make a lot of decisions in my life,

And I'm pretty alpha.

When I'm in a relationship,

There's,

There's a,

There's an aspect of the woman making some of the decisions.

Like,

I think I kind of view it as balance with me,

With me personally.

Because I do,

I am alpha.

And I do like to make decisions that are in my own life.

And I'm strong in that way.

But on a day to day basis,

I don't necessarily want to be in a relationship with a woman who's coming to me asking me every little thing.

Yeah,

You know,

Oh,

Do you mind if I move the pillow over here to there?

Like,

I don't give a crap.

Right.

I would love to come home and find the pillows in a different location,

Because you thought it looks good.

Right.

That would be exciting to me.

I don't want to have the conversation about the pillows.

Exactly.

Yeah,

Yeah.

You know,

So like,

So I think when we're moving forward,

When people are,

Since we're in this,

This phase of transition,

We have to take into consideration,

Not this theory,

As a man or a woman that I need to be in control.

Otherwise,

I will be run over.

No,

Yeah,

It's all it's all conditioning.

It's all belief systems.

That's all it is.

Right?

You believe that,

Then that's what you're going to get.

And it doesn't,

It doesn't have to do with what your personal preference,

Like,

How do you want to show up?

Or how you how do you want that dynamic of relationship to be?

And everybody's relationship is different,

Based upon their personal preference.

And so it shouldn't be anything external,

You know,

To set that bar,

No,

You set the bar,

You set the bar,

You to,

You to set the bar for your relationship,

And come into that exchange.

And knowing when you do that,

You could transform anything.

Because you both have came into this balance,

And also respect from each other when you do that,

Which has nothing to do with what everybody views of relationship should be.

You know,

It's,

It's your own,

It's your own intimate,

Sacred relationship with your partner,

Not everybody else,

Right?

And what you are building together,

Trusting in your own partnership.

Yes,

I agree.

And that that's it.

It's it's,

You know,

We there's lots of noise and lots of things going on in the external world.

And when it comes to a personal relationship,

We have to let all that go there isn't it's not one size fits all,

We're very much individuals.

So we can't look at what's going on in society and say,

Oh,

Okay,

There's a rise in the divine feminine right now.

So that means that if I'm a woman,

I have to take the assertive role,

Not necessarily,

If it's,

If it works for you,

Then that's fine.

Then find a man that likes you doing that.

But and if you're a man,

And you're going,

Oh,

We're in the rise of the defendant,

The divine feminine,

I have to,

You know,

I have to become vulnerable in a weak way and and let the woman take control.

Like,

No,

That's not what it's that's not what it's saying either.

Personal preference.

Yes.

Yeah.

And be honest with yourself.

That's that's right.

And once you heal what the the wounds that are inside of each of us,

Once we heal those,

Then we're going to be better able to connect to our own truth and find a partner that matches that truth.

Yes.

Instead of some box of yes,

You know,

That the external world has made up for us.

Exactly.

And it's divine expression.

Like,

That's what it is.

I always tell people,

When you make your own,

You know,

You're creating your life.

And it's coming from that uniqueness is coming from that authenticity.

That's divine expression working right through you.

Yes.

Versus,

You know,

The belief systems that the world has put upon us.

So it feels more natural.

It feels much more natural when you do that.

Yeah.

And that's the guidance system.

And I think that's a perfect place to wrap up.

It's like you said,

It's the natural it's it feels natural.

It feels wonderful and free.

Free.

One of my favorite words.

Yes.

All right.

Well,

This has been awesome.

Thank you,

Tahira.

Yeah.

Thank you for having me.

This has been fun.

Yes.

All right.

Good deal.

Well,

Thanks,

Everybody,

For watching and listening.

And that's going to do it for now.

So all right.

We'll talk to you guys soon.

Bye.

Bye.