The Relativity Of Truth - Dissecting The Wisdom Of Shaltazar

And welcome back to another episode of Dissecting the Wisdom of Shaltazar with my good friend and collaborator,

Mark Lane.

Welcome back,

Mark.

Hi Jeffrey,

Glad to be here as always.

It is exciting.

We are in exciting times.

I'm not sure if you're noticing,

I'm finding a shift in the seasons and because of it a shift in the energy,

The hours of light are shrinking and that beautiful season of autumn looks like it might be trailing off.

Here in Canada,

We've had some places already that have had snow,

Which is a little disappointing.

Yeah.

I'm not quite ready for that.

We have,

We started tiptoeing into the colder weather too.

It's supposed to be,

I mean,

It's been in the 50s,

It's supposed to be 75 tomorrow,

But then the temperatures after that seem to be in the upper 40s,

Which is the harbinger of worse things to come.

And times are certainly moving on and that's what life is all about.

And I can't say it enough that I really,

Really believe that the people that are doing the work,

The people that are working on themselves,

The people that are trying to figure out their own life are much better positioned to deal with the changes that have happened in the world with the pandemic,

Season changes and the lunar cycles.

If you are prepared to work on yourself,

You certainly have a leg up on the challenges and difficulties that life tends to throw your way.

Yeah,

I agree.

It's almost like there's a divide now between people who are processing all of this kind of from a spiritual viewpoint or a spiritual point of view and those that are fighting it and resisting it.

And I mean,

We've talked about this before,

I feel a sense of calm about it all as it's just a necessary step in our evolution,

Whereas I think a lot of people are angry about it and resisting it and wanting to pretend that it's not happening,

I think.

I've said it before,

I can't help but think being this old guy that this reminds me of the 60s and the anti-war protests and the protests about this and the protests about that.

And so it's kind of interesting,

Shaltazar does tell us that all life is circular.

And so we have the anti-maskers and the anti-vacciners.

And so what's the difference whether it's anti-war or anti-mask?

We are still going through that cycle of expressing our frustration in protests and there's gotta be a better way.

I really believe there has to be a better way than that confrontational protesting to be able to change society.

Unfortunately,

That is how change has happened in society.

And so hopefully,

The stuff that we do and some of the other spiritual teachers will help us realize that change can be affected in other ways other than confrontation.

Right.

I hope so.

I believe that.

And our topic for today is.

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Our topic for today,

Well,

So last week we talked about being the observer,

Which was based on one of the Shaltazar messages that we both like,

Minding the mind.

And as these conversations tend to sometimes flow,

Today's topic is perhaps an offshoot or an expansion of our conversation last week.

And I would say that the topic,

I would call it the subjective nature of reality.

How does that sound?

And so where I'm going there with this is I've noticed that as I've been working on this idea of being the observer and kind of standing off to the side and watching myself as an actor bearing my name and sort of separating my consciousness,

My spirit from my human side,

The idea of reality starts to shift a little bit.

And when I'm saying that,

I'm thinking that maybe best to kind of express it as an example,

But if you put.

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We were just talking about doing live seminars and live meetings on Insight Timer.

And if you took a hundred people and put them in a conference room and had them listen to a speaker and you interviewed those hundred people as they walked out of the room,

You'd have a hundred different interpretations of what transpired during that,

Say,

Hour long seminar.

And as humans,

We tend to think of reality in an absolute form,

That every single person is experiencing the events of our lives in the exact same way.

So my experience is no different than your experience,

Is no different than your wife's experience and my kids' experience.

There is one reality,

It's absolute and we're all experiencing that reality identically.

And that just isn't the case.

So reality truly is subjective and our experience of what we term or perceive as reality is filtered through everything that we are,

Our senses and our perceptions and our experiences and our wounds and our unhealed emotional traumas and all that stuff.

We kind of talked about putting qualifying events and putting them in buckets and this is good,

This is bad,

This is neutral.

This is kind of digging underneath that idea of qualifying things and what our experience of reality really is.

Because you don't see my reality,

You can't realize how excited I am that you've chosen that topic.

This is the first time that you and I are recording this,

Although it's an audio,

We're also recording it as a video.

And I'm sitting here looking at myself with this straight face holding in the excitement of this subject because this is big,

This is huge.

Shaltazar has done a few messages to me on that.

One is about what is truth.

And they say that all truth on planet earth is relative,

Absolute truth only exists in the higher realm.

And the example that you gave about this topic of the hundred people listening to the keynote,

I used to tell the story that my life,

If my life was turned into a movie and it's called the life of Jeffrey Eisen and someone very close to me,

My father,

My brother,

My siblings,

My wife had another movie by the name of her life and they were playing at a theater.

Now that we have these theaters that are so many theaters in one building.

And in cinema one was my movie and we showed a particular event,

Whatever that event was that say my wife and I were in that movie together.

And we looked at it because in the movie my life,

I'm the script writer,

I'm the director,

I'm the main character,

I'm the producer,

I'm all of those things.

And my wife plays the secondary role.

And if we went into cinema one and saw that segment of the movie,

My life about that event,

And then we went into cinema two and saw the same event where she was the director,

Producer,

Script writer,

You would not recognize the movies.

And that's exactly what you're saying,

That life is really through our perspective.

And this is so powerful because what we don't realize is that we spend so much time with the opinions of others trying to please others,

Trying to assume the perspective of others and it's totally useless.

It's totally useless because nobody sees life the way we do.

Right,

Right.

And you can probably extrapolate this concept to being the cause of most human conflict,

Right?

Because where conflict stems from is I'm defending my reality as the reality and you're defending your reality as the reality.

And they can't be the same because we're creating our realities,

Each individual person is creating their own reality,

Except for that absolute truth that is source or God or however you want to categorize it.

So yeah,

I mean,

Naturally there's going to be conflict because we want our reality to be the reality,

The right reality.

And if mine is the right reality,

Yours has to be the wrong reality.

And that reminds me of that one of the newer messages,

The struggle,

I forget exactly the name but it's around the struggle to be right.

And you're right,

That is the source of all of those conflicts.

And what Shaltazar is saying is our desire to be right is a self-protection mechanism because if you're right and I'm wrong,

That leaves me vulnerable,

That leaves me in harm's way.

And we have to get beyond that and realize that there is no right,

There is no wrong,

There just is.

And so,

Like I say,

This is really huge,

Especially with the onslaught of content that's coming our way and fake news and what's right and what's wrong.

We have to realize that even if someone is explaining a scientific fact,

There is a perspective in that scientific fact.

And I've been working diligently in the last while to realize that nothing is absolute,

That there is no absolute truth.

And it is relieving a lot of my suffering because a lot of my suffering is that desire to be right,

That desire to know that my beliefs are the correct beliefs.

And then as you say,

The source of conflict is then I try and convince you that I'm right.

Right,

Exactly,

Right,

Right.

And I was doing some reading,

This kind of strays into the territory of quantum physics where physicists are starting to figure out that even on a mathematical and scientific level,

Reality shifts based on the attitudes and perceptions and wants and needs of the person doing the science.

So that speaks right to what you were just saying,

That none of us are going to get to that absolute level in this dimension because it's all influenced by how we're perceiving the dimension.

Right,

Right.

In that documentary movie,

What the Bleep Did We Know?

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That was out a number of years ago,

They use the example of is it a particle or a wave and the quantum physicists prove that it's what you think it is.

So if you think that tiniest little speck is a particle,

It is.

If you think it's a wave,

It is.

And they did experiments to that.

It's way over my head.

But yes,

That perception is your reality,

The late Wayne Dyer,

I think wrote a book and used the phrase,

Things are not as they are,

Things are as we see them.

And so if we could start to realize and let go of the desire for the absolute truth,

For the absolute definitive,

Then I think it certainly would help us.

Certainly as we are navigating our way through the pandemic,

How is it going to unfold?

I don't know.

And Shelton Sarr talks a lot about being comfortable with the unknown.

And I don't know about you,

But growing up,

I was taught you're supposed to know.

I mean,

My early experience,

I used to work in the family business and I always wanted my father to love me.

So I always wanted the answers.

And he would always quiz me because I would work in the business.

Even when I was in school,

In high school,

He had lost his brother,

My uncle at a young age and he really sort of lost his oomph and he would go home for an afternoon nap.

And I would go in after school and close things up.

And at the dinner table,

He would ask me for my report.

And I was so petrified of getting it wrong.

I needed to have it right.

If I didn't have the answers,

I was stupid.

And I think Shelton Sarr is trying to tell us that you don't need the answers,

That it's okay.

It's okay to not know.

It's okay to be comfortable with the unknown.

It's okay to realize that your perspective is just your perspective and you don't have to vote with the majority position because that majority position is only a perspective and is only a relative truth.

That one really hit home to me is that no truth on planet earth is absolute.

It's all relative.

And maybe,

I know nothing about Einstein's theory of relativity.

I don't think it's talking about this,

But maybe we can borrow his name,

Right?

The name he gave it.

This is the law of relativity.

Everything is relative.

And the sooner you realize that your perspective determines your reality,

The sooner you will let go of a lot of suffering.

Right.

Right.

Because we're causing it ourselves by clinging to what we believe is truth or a universal truth and it just isn't.

And that's that,

Going back to that whole idea of the observer and kind of detaching from that egocentric belief in the reality that we see being the absolute or the one reality,

You start to say,

Really there isn't good or bad.

There just is.

It's a thing that happens.

I was playing around with this example that let's consider the event of a sinking ship.

Okay.

Well,

So to the people on the ship,

The family members of the people who are on the ship,

It's a tragic,

Terrible event.

But let's put the ship in the context of a world war,

For example.

Now the sinking of the ship takes on a different flavor to the army or to the side who sinks the ship,

It's a victory.

To the side who loses the ship,

It's a failure.

And so you can keep adding all these different levels and layers to this one event.

And when you peel all the emotional attachments from the event,

It's just a sinking of a ship.

It's just a thing that happened.

But that's so stark.

So unemotional.

And so now you're bringing in this whole other layer of perspective,

Which is our emotions.

It's not one dimensional.

Events in life are not one dimensional.

They're multi-dimensional.

There's a breadth and depth of feeling and emotion.

So having said that,

If we did an example where we executed a particular truth and we did it for five days in a row,

It would feel different each time.

And so therefore the truth of that experiment is different each time,

Which is interesting.

Because it's not stark.

And that reminds me when you were talking,

It reminds me of where my conditioning began to create this scenario of me having to be right.

And that was in school.

I mean,

Can you imagine?

I mean,

I was petrified of ever standing up in school and giving the wrong answer.

Because society makes us wrong when we have the wrong answer.

So without us realizing we'd been programmed and conditioned that we need to be right.

Instead of saying,

Well,

That's the wrong answer,

Jeffrey,

And I can understand where that came from.

And I see your perspective,

But maybe you want to learn.

So be careful when you tell people they're wrong,

Especially parents to kids.

It's really,

Really important that we are ingraining this belief of right and wrong and the absoluteness of our answers.

Like says that one plus one is two,

And as a metaphysician,

As a spiritual person,

I believe one plus one is 11.

Because when you put one beside one,

It's 11 and 11 is a great manifesting number.

And so of course the mathematicians would say,

I'm crazy,

I'm wrong.

But from my belief in energy and vibration,

I would rather that be an 11.

As a matter of fact,

My license plate is got 11,

11 on it,

Right?

It's got my initials plus 11,

11.

My wife's license plate is her initials plus 11,

11.

Because I believe in the energy of that number.

Whereas a mathematician would not see the energy in the number.

Speak of numerology,

Numerology is really important,

Birth numbers.

So the mathematician's perspective on numbers is very,

Very different than the numerologist's perspective on numbers.

I don't think either is right or either is wrong.

It's just a different perception of the same thing.

Which is what you said this topic was going to be all about,

Which is the relativity,

The perspective,

The subject.

I believe you called it what?

The subjective nature of reality.

The subjective nature of reality.

Think about how deep that is.

Now,

Once again,

The listeners could think of it very objectively,

Objectively.

So objectively,

Mark is saying that reality is subjective.

But think about the layers.

Think about how we unravel this to show the depth of that subjectivity and how that subjectivity determines our reality.

Pretty powerful,

Isn't it?

Yeah,

It really is.

It was one of those things that occurred to me when I was listening to a family member complain about something.

And I was like,

Hey,

They're complaining about it.

But to them,

To her,

It's bad.

But it might not be bad to the other side of the equation.

And I just started to ruminate on that.

It's extremely powerful.

And it is an insight.

And I congratulate you on your consciousness and how it keeps growing and growing.

This is so much deeper than you think.

And I certainly invite our listeners to reflect and ruminate on the subjectivity of reality.

Because if you can grasp this concept,

If you can integrate it and embody it,

You will mitigate so much suffering in your life.

Beautiful topic.

Yeah,

Any final words on the topic?

No,

Just keep it real.

Keep it real by realizing it's subjective.

It just is.

And with that,

We will say goodbye for this week.

Thank you all for listening.

Mark,

Thank you for being a phenomenal partner in this.

Because I love the subjects you bring up and I love our discussions.

Love and light to you all.