495: Debra Martin’s Near Death Experiences & Divine Healing

Hello,

Hello and welcome to the Michelle Chalfant Show.

I hope you're having a wonderful day today.

I'm happy to have you with me.

You know something that I have been passionate about honestly most of my life I even remember in middle school I was always drawn to people that were suffering in some way that had issues or their parents were going through a divorce or they were on crutches.

I wanted to help them walk through the hallways in middle school.

Suffering has always been something that's been near and dear to my heart and I still feel that way at the age I am today at age 58.

I want to end suffering and what I realize is the more we understand who we truly are and honestly how powerful we are our suffering starts to shift.

Yeah it really does.

This is why I like to have oftentimes spiritual teachers or people on the show and today is one of those days.

On today's show I have an internationally known healer on the show named Deborah Martin.

Her life has been shaped by not one or two but three near-death experiences that opened up her intuition awakened her spiritual gifts and radically changed the course of her life.

You know so many of us ask the question who are we why are we here and so many of those questions are answered.

Of course when we die we remember.

So I think it's pretty amazing when we're able to speak with someone that has actually crossed over and then come back to talk about it.

So today Deborah is going to do that for us.

She's going to talk about her profound encounter with God,

Spiritual surgeons,

Angels and how all of these experiences completely transformed her understanding of healing.

She's going to share what she saw on the other side and it does include unconditional love and peace and a realm where we remember who we truly are.

She's also going to share with us why emotional pain trauma and old patterns often sit at the root of physical symptoms and how healing begins when we're able to feel these things and actually release them.

So I'm inviting you today to really open up your mind but more than your mind connect into your heart and feel what feels true for you today.

Really feel into your heart.

You might be surprised.

So I'm excited for you to hear this show.

It's gonna be a big show so buckle in and here we go with Deborah Martin.

So welcome to the Michelle Chalfant Show,

Deborah Martin.

It's so nice to have you.

Oh my honor.

Thank you so much for having me.

I am very much looking forward to our conversation.

You've had quite the life experience shall we say?

Yes,

Yes.

You know it just keeps happening.

Not anything that I can control.

You know I'm realizing the same thing.

Like we don't have any control.

No,

No.

And sometimes it's just like seriously?

Really?

I have to go.

It always is an opportunity for growth right?

If we can really look at it that way and just say all right I know there'll be a blessing out of this.

I may not see it right now but it will be there.

Yeah my mantra is one of my many mantras I have to say is life is happening for me.

It's not to me for me.

Life is flowing through me and giving me all these beautiful opportunities and experiences so I can have all these experiences and it doesn't mean they're good all the time.

Exactly it's not happening against me it's happening for me.

Exactly.

Yeah so so you I'm excited for our conversation you're gonna really speak to this today in greater detail I have a feeling.

Yes.

You've had quite a life with three near-death experiences and and then lots of life after the third one and it really radically changed your life so I'd love to know a little bit about and I love to have people that have had near-death experiences on because you've had a true taste of what happens when you die.

Of what God is.

What source is.

What this universe is.

You've been able to cross over and come back and talk about it and one of my or part of my mission I should say is to help people remember who we truly are and I think that having someone like you on helps to wake us up to that.

Yeah I think we forget who we are and if we just love ourself for who we were created to be and nothing more just really shine our authentic self try not to be somebody else right there's some like you look at social media oh I want to be that I want to be like this I want to be able to travel just be happy with where you are right now.

That's really hard for us though isn't it mm-hmm it's so hard for us how do we we do we look as I'm always pointing out there really I if I could be like you said more like them we go into comparison mode or judgment mode of self from a really young age.

Yeah very young age and I think it's it's really teaching the younger children and even ourself just to be present in the moment because those moments go by quickly and we never know what's gonna happen and I think when we can do that that's when we're the most happy and we're the most balanced.

It's when we're doing too much trying to to think too far ahead or maybe we're stuck in our past that then we can't be present in the now and and we're missing out.

Yeah and we don't even realize how much that we're missing out on when we're not in the moment right?

And the moment is like here we're speaking we're in the now right now focused on this.

Yeah it's shutting down the brain from all the other chatter and being present to whatever you're doing if you're cooking if you're outside walking you're present in that moment that's what I'm talking about.

Mmm and I suspect you didn't always live here in the moment prior to in your past life let's say in before the near-death experiences that you've had.

So tell us just briefly what was your life like before all of these experiences that you've had and then let's move into your experiences and then what life was like now and how drastically different it is.

Okay so when I was younger like the age of four I could see spirit and at that time it wasn't something that was acknowledged right it wasn't something that people you would say hey mom I can see spirit in my room I didn't even know that that was spirit it was scary I didn't even know the word spirit right and so it wasn't something I talked about I basically pushed it aside I closed that door and it wasn't.

Can I pause just one second what did you see when you were four do you even remember were you seeing an angel or were you seeing what and what was in your room?

Yes I saw faces so when I was laying in bed I would see a face come really close to me and I was like I don't know you and I remember turning my head to the side going I don't want to see you I don't see you and then I would hear like the beginning sound of their name like his name is Steve it starts with an S and I would start to just think that way and I would take my nail and start you know taking the letter S and putting it with my nail into the wood of my dresser because it would let me focus on that and not what I was seeing and so years later now that I'm a medium I look back and go well who were those people and I really feel they were my loved ones ancestors and most why I feel like they were my guides they were trying to open me up and say I was safe they weren't there to frighten me it wasn't like they shook me and I was right they were showing themselves to me and that was frightening enough so you look back in years later see okay they were just preparing me for what was gonna come and it took years for that to happen for me to open that door I went on you know living my life like everybody does where I wasn't hearing spirit I wasn't looking for spirit and it wasn't till my first NDE that opened me up to even the afterlife I was in a car accident and in that car accident divine intervention came and it helped me get out of the car and I was able to see this this person who I thought was a person but what ended up happening is he disappeared and nobody saw him and so that made me question well who was he why was he there kind of opened my whole perspective something more is out there and I started going to conferences and seeing more about the afterlife learning about the afterlife and it was quite a shift I call them shifts you know we have many shifts in our lives we have shifts when people get married when you have a baby if you're divorced somebody passes and you know all types this was a major shift it was like I know what I saw I know what happened and it hit me to my core and and I had a premonition that I didn't know was a premonition before it was gonna happen like I knew it was gonna happen before it happened what was interesting and I remember hearing that story is that you were in a car a really bad car accident and with friends and this man came up and he fixed your ring right he fixed your ring and all of what was interesting is that all of your friends also saw this man correct and then he was basically gone he vanished and nobody knew who he was or where he went yeah so the car was crushed and we're faced we were on a freeway facing oncoming traffic there was no way out it was crushed in and here comes this person just opens the door effortlessly and carries us off to the embankment and yes I had a ring on that day and it was crushed crushing my finger and it was bleeding and I was like before you leave can you help me get this off my finger and he put it in his mouth so I have his teeth marks I know he was real but as he went to the left you know I looked to the right all the firetrucks ambulances came and he was gone and nobody ever saw him except for us I have to tell you you're I completed I had forgotten about this experience I had a very similar experience I was visiting so my father had passed away and I was visiting his brother my uncle down in Florida when my younger son who's now 27 he was probably three or four years old and my uncle had driven me to the airport we had a lovely trip together with with my uncle and and we got to the airport and he pulled up in front to let me out with my son and you know I had a three or four year old time all the crap that goes on three or four year old like the stroller and all the things I'm pulling out of the car and the skycap came up behind me he was man working at the airport he says ma'am let me help you I said no oh well thank you and there are a lot of cars I was trying to watch my son and he grabbed everything out of the car for me and and my uncle got out of the car and I'm holding my son's head it was very like a lot of commotion and he helped me unload everything he says to me you know Michelle you're really really great mom I just wanted you to know and I was so busy and I said thank you so much thank you and I turned and then it dawned on me I'm like wait how did he how did he know my name my uncle didn't say my name it was so and he was the loveliest most heart-based man I still remember him and I turned and I said I wanted to say how did you know my name and I turned after I grabbed my son out of the car grabbed him by the hand and I turned to have a conversation with this man that had unloaded everything out of the trunk when I tell you completely gone there he was gone vanished and I said to my uncle I said you didn't just say my name did you and he goes what are you talking about no like he was still in the car it I still to this day I'm like oh my gosh you don't forget something like that oh I get goosebumps while you're telling me it's like yeah yeah it's just it's so real you can't deny it no I can see it like it was an hour ago I remember I looked around and I said where did he go and I thought oh that was either my dad or an angel that was someone because I you know was my first child and my dad was not there he had just passed away a year before and I thought oh I wonder if that was my dad it's so interesting because before we even got on the podcast today and I saw you for the first time I kept seeing someone over your right shoulder and our father's would stand on our right shoulder really oh if you ever feel him on this side or energy I feel like somebody's there right oh yeah feel that energy just know it's him oh I love I should have brought a picture of him in my office I could have showed you see if it was the same yeah thank you thank you I need it I just felt it yeah oh thank you looking that direction so when you said this it's like oh I should have said it earlier but it's the timing so oh thank you for that I appreciate that I'm sorry to interrupt you but I did want to share that for everybody because I know I'm not the only one you and I are not the only ones on the planet that have had experiences don't discount it don't doubt it right and I don't think you can doubt it because it was it's so real like you like you say you can't forget it right not and yeah yeah just embrace it yeah yeah so my second NDE was another shift and that one I had an auto body experience and that was another car accident Wow and I was out of my body before impact so I was now watching everything happen you know below and I'm like I'm not gonna survive that I'm just not gonna survive it and I can remember this being being behind me and saying are you ready and I knew that ain't this being mm-hmm and I knew the voice because I wasn't turning around to talk I just was answering and looking and saying I'm not gonna survive that there's just no way I'm gonna survive that yeah and within seconds I was in my four-door Honda Accord that was now two doors and all windows were like broken everything from the inside was out I was in the backseat of my car with a mouth full of glass and I can remember somebody coming to the door with a police officer and him saying are you okay and he's like no I crushed her now that but then you remember everything it's like a download yeah yeah and so now I'm saying okay I was somewhere and I heard a voice and time stopped for you time stopped completely I hear that with every person that's had an NDE like people that are thrown out of their car and they they can see themselves above the car before they have impact and then stop in time and then they travel somewhere for a week or two or an hour and then they come back and then they finish and complete yeah it's it's it hit me to my core it's like we go into another dimension correct it was another dimension yeah completely another dimension and so I was there and seeing everything and then what as soon as that man said those words it was like downloaded hmm like okay you you did you seen that and where did that happen so that opened my door to okay I can hear spirit so let me care in the more yeah and so I started open my mediumship and then I got tested at with dr.

Gary Schwartz and dr.

Julie by show it was at the Veritas Center IU the University of Arizona and then now I'm with the Winbridge Institute with Julie by show and so going through the testing I felt was so important because science had my back you know you're thinking okay is this real am I doing am I getting enough informations that's evidential and there's at the time there weren't a lot of mediums out there yeah right well and if there were they weren't talking about it but I agree with you I think they're a lot more now waking up to that the right it was like yeah don't don't tell people what I do yeah they're gonna make you strange you're right you know we're gonna go out with friends like you don't need to tell him I do so it was more secretive but that did give me the backbone to say okay what you're getting and what you're doing you can help others well you know it's it had to be hard for you when you started this what year was this that that you started that you went to school okay we're tested and all the things probably in 1998 yeah so nobody's not very many this was still sort of like in the closet if you will nobody's really talking about it and if you do it's whisper whisper and can I have a session with you but don't tell anybody I'm having a session with you kind of thing it was it was and and so having these scientists do the work it's like people like that science background to know like okay we have some evidence here there's no way of debunking this yeah right yeah and so that that opened my door to mediumship okay now my third NDE that one came to it was a total surprise this one I was really sick and I was being seen by Mayo Clinic and they couldn't figure out what was wrong with me but for months and months I was losing the ability to have my bowels I was losing ability to eat if I ate or drink anything it was like going into labor and so if I was gonna go to the hospital I would wait two days of not eating so I could go there without pain but by the time I show up I'm not in any pain right oh my I'm like well just give me something to eat and I'll show you how much pain I meant and so they couldn't figure out what was wrong with me and my three older children were already out of the house but I had one child at home that was in third grade oh and I can remember laying in bed all the time and just not coming out and the quality of life wasn't there I wasn't I was thinking what am I giving my family hmm and so I started asking God saying can you just take me you know and I I think people when they get to that point mm-hmm it's their time it's okay they realized you know what this is this isn't for me anymore in this human suit mm-hmm and there was one morning when I was laying in bed I saw spiritual surgeons come into my room and I spiritual surgeons what's that look like an actual surgeon but in a spirit form so like a ghostly kind of figure or like a you can see it actually it looks like a spirit uh-huh and I would describe it as a human but you can see almost through them through them yeah so you'll see like maybe the mass then you might see them you know with their scrub body and their scrubs right but I wasn't afraid because I'm already see spirit right yeah and I'm like okay you're here to work on me and I can remember them getting out instruments that and I can remember them cutting into my abdomen and it being excruciating pain Wow if if God is sending them to do this I need to go through this but how am I gonna go through this when it's so painful and I can remember screaming when I was the only one home at the time Wow I said okay Debra you have to put through this but what are you gonna do and I said I got to remove my mind from this so I can remember closing my eyes and taking a deep breath and go everything's gonna be okay and as I took that deep breath I my spirit came out of my body and I literally felt myself coming out and I can remember floating up and going wow this is a great space to be I'm not feeling in any pain but now I'm keep going farther up and up and up and I'm like okay I don't know where I'm going and I came to a space where it kind of looked like I was just standing on clouds like if you look out an airplane you see the clouds I'm out there yeah yeah okay now what like is this am I just supposed to stay here while they're working on me when it what's what's happening and I can remember seeing this bright light coming towards me and I can and seeing these arms kind of like this holy and as they held me I now realizing that my spirits seeing my body being helped as I go out it's really be sick and immediately I knew this was God because was this intense peace there's a tense love like we don't feel it was unconditional it was like calming it was like okay now what and I followed that light and this being carrying me and he put me on this beam of light that looked like a balance beam my body stayed there next to it was a coffin and I remember the coffin looking really beautiful like a glass coffin and going I wonder if I just sit in here with that being like better not you know better not go there I was told to follow and we were gonna go into what looked like a dome and I was full of questions like why do I have to go in this dome why are we going in here it's like because when we go into this dome nobody in the universe can hear these words it's like it was a shield I was in this room I sat down on it what looked like a table and once again I felt this the being behind me and it was an energy right this being and I could feel nothing but love nothing but I wasn't afraid and I saw this stack of papers and it was open to one page and I was told it was my lifeline contract and in the lifeline contract there was some words just on this page that said you know you you'll have a new mission there was prosperity there was voice there was health and I said well health doesn't isn't good enough for me I needed to say healthy if I'm going back mm-hmm so I was asked to sign that line given else and right and when I signed it I was told remember this these numbers the date 121 12 all numbers are reversible and so is this meaning my hell and so when I heard voice I just really thought that meant the voice of being a medium you know okay I can do that easy I asked if I could stay because it was beautiful it was lovely and if I could see my parents and he said no because I would never want to leave and this wasn't a dimension where I could see them mmm well there was time for me to come back mm-hmm and as I went back into my body I could feel myself floating back and as I went into my body it was almost like an air mattress you know how it just kind of pulled up mm-hmm and I literally felt myself going in and when I took breath I was like I'm like you come up from air right yeah and at that moment I'm like I have the same person what just happened and the spiritual surgeons were gone and I'm like am I healed like I didn't know but I knew that I had to write it all down because I'm like oh I might forget this never forget it because it's it's embedded within you but it was like I don't want to forget these details and it took me months it took me months it wasn't like it was healed instantly mm-hmm which really really pays and then plays an impact on me as a healer today that it some things don't happen right away that it takes time and it integrated within me in like six months but I was feeling better to the point where I wasn't in so much pain so I knew there was a shift and I knew that it was going to in time right a little by little and would you explain that like the spiritual surgeons came in and healed you on an energetic level first and then the physical body basically had to catch up with what was done energetically and that does take time because the physical body is so dense it takes time to yeah and what I was going through was extreme yeah you know everything had to like you say catch up integrate and I also did work on my end I would sit in journal and go is there anything I'm holding on to that maybe I'm not aware of mm-hmm please bring that through make me aware of these little nuggets yeah that I can work through release and go through the emotions yeah right when we go through emotions maybe next time you go through emotion ask for clarity what what do you why am I crying what do you want me to learn from this yeah why am I feeling this way instead of just saying oh I'll cry and then be done with it but let's not push it aside yeah really feel it and I really believe we have to feel to heal oh hey mm-hmm right right language girl yes right so you got to move that because it's an energy that needs to move through us you do and pain is there to teach us and I was going through that pain right I had to walk through it and a lot of it was from my childhood I learned so I just really yeah I had to go deep down and to say okay you know this is what I had to witness and walk through and and take notes and let go and it was a great tool in a teaching tool for me to even helping others today well this this NDE gave me the ability to heal and what I was doing to myself I was going to help others do as well and so through using God as connecting and praying I was taught how to heal oh and so I'm used as his instrument and his vessel so when I go into a healing session mm-hmm I voice everything so there's that voice but the voice in the words that come through I would have no idea no idea only God knows those things that you would know like that man saying your name yeah like how would he know and so going into a healing session some people will tell me what they're dealing with I will put that into prayer but not limit it to just that because it could come from a root issue it could come from childhood it could have some trauma that's attached to it mm-hmm and so I'll say well if there's a root cause bring it through but then you know some of it's really heavy some of the things that people are going through and or it's a disease that they think is incurable they told it's not curable right we cannot give power to that we cannot give power to the title of what we're what we were told that we have we cannot give power to it being limitless right we have to take our power back and stand in our power so for me in the healing session I have to remove myself and not take on like oh that's heavy that how are we gonna heal this I have to get rid of all the how's all the expectations and give it to God and let them let it go and release and just be and let the magic begin mm-hmm so I will see spiritual surgeons come into the room I will feel things that are happening in my body so that I know exactly where they're working and I can voice it to the my clients so they're like how would you know I had kidney cancer we didn't know that right how would you know I have brain cancer how'd you know that I had that trauma and describe that trauma exactly what happened to you when you were a child I wouldn't know that but if I just let myself go and allow it all to come through me then I'm being a pure vessel so when you have a session with someone else they don't tell you what's going on with them at all they don't some do okay okay so I was wondering okay with if it's childhood trauma they might not even say it and it'll mm-hmm yeah they don't even know they may have forgotten yeah right and then they're like how did you I forgot that and you brought that through Wow so then we talked about going to different dimension mm-hmm in my healings sometimes I say God God is like God is love mm-hmm will ask us to go to another space and so I walk you through the process of just being whether you want to just lay there and you're now listening and the vision is in your mind where you might actually feel like you're traveling and having the out-of-body experience I go to a space and a loved one might show up we might just be told what it is that you're going through and how to release it and be embraced by that love so there's so many aspects and that transpires in a healing session and everyone is like a movie to me that I have no idea what's gonna transpire and when I'm done I'm like wow that was really cool and you're not in the room with me so these are all remote people are all around the world so when I I record that session and I have a picture of them and wrote what they want I'll place it in my prayers beforehand and then I become their proxy and I record everything and I send it to them so they could be anywhere in the world and then they listen and they'll be like as the session was taking place I took notes and now I'm listening to it and we experience the same energy at the same Wow right Wow most mates it like okay that that makes it real right so so when you say you become their proxy so let's say someone has brain cancer or a breast cancer whatever it might be mm-hmm you become that person with the brain cancer with the breast cancer and then the psychic surgeons come in and work on your body but then you're saying the client your client is actually feeling it as well yes oftentimes or all the time oftentimes they see that and oftentimes they've seen the spiritual surgeons I've had people say yeah I saw I saw the the nurse or I'm out many many times because they'll get anesthesia they'll go is soon as you started talking and I you said anesthesia is going in I was out and they have hard time even listening they'll go every time I listen I get to that point and then they'll wake me up at a certain point I need to hear so I'll have to listen to it over and over and over which is beautiful because Wow they might hear things the first time and different the second and third as it's all integrating and so the healing never loses its essence or power so they're just constantly healing with it and it's it's it's just I feel so blessed to be able to do this work yeah and I don't take it for granted I mean it takes a lot of energy to do it yeah takes a lot of balance you know I have to balance my my life in order to do it but the reward I mean when you hear even emotional pain it doesn't have to be an illness emotional you know what people deal with mental illness and you hear that that was lifted and they have the light and they're smiling but it doesn't get any better it just really doesn't do you find it takes more than one session with people or is it multiple session like is it one session or multiple sessions that where people either gain relief or actual healing you know that's a very good question because I'm not in charge of who receives and how they receive and when they receive yeah but I seen that some people will be healed in one session some people will say have to keep coming and some will come to my groups of group healings and they like coming when they feel they need it and they're like it's amazing because the the months I join it's spot-on to exactly what I need or it builds on itself right so it's all up to the each individual and what they need hmm yes so the groups are just as powerful I was listening to some of the testimonials of people I mean one girl had brain cancer and it was healed in a group session in a group you weren't focusing specifically on her I don't believe no so in a group energy is coming in collectively so I have everybody's pictures by me and I can remember going how how they're working in the back of the head and I can remember actually say someone here doesn't know but they have brain cancer or brain tumor here and they're working on it and when she heard it she knew it was it for her and yeah it was taken out it was healed but you know you don't know who's touched but I always say when one is healed we are all healed we're all touched as one and we collectively are gathering as one with that same intention hmm how often do you find that let's say unfelt emotions unprocessed emotions emotional trauma etc are the cause or are you having the root cause of what's going on physically speaking for people well sometimes if they're coming in for an actual illness let's say like it is cancer it doesn't always show the trauma but I do feel that emotion is attached to it I really do yeah I think yeah when I hear in the healing sessions God will give tools to people what to do on their end as they walk through their healing and most of those tools are you know love yourself let go of the past right that's you how do you let it go and what are your habits moving forward right what are your habits and so everybody's habits are different and so might be specific that that are mentioned and it's really important to pay attention to how we're what we're thinking what we're energetically bringing in how much we're allowing that in because that does change the way we feel in the day now and it can cause stress knowing your stress levels and I believe everything builds on itself and I also there's there's been healings where it's like you're not eating right and so that builds on it too so I'm not a doctor I can't say don't eat certain foods but pay attention to what you're putting in because that also is going to be how your body is healing and I I ended up having cancer too so as a healer I was like okay I went through three NDEs I do doing things do I not have enough compassion here why do you want me to have answer it's like why and you have to ask like why not me but why what is it here for mm-hmm and I remember saying okay they always say fight fight fight we're gonna fight the cancer right I said I came to the conclusion no I'm gonna love it mm-hmm because love is the most powerful tool you can do for yourself if you love yourself you love your body you love your cancer you're healing right you embrace a child who's crying they feel calm they feel loved they feel centered so I asked my cancer you know what lesson do you want to teach me and I used to call it my beast you know you're my beast and I've got a learn how to love this beast but I felt really centered during that time with cancer I was like okay nothing else really matters but me right now right me and my body mm-hmm and I walked with an attitude of gratitude now that really helps to the doctors could see that it was making a difference and I'm not saying it was easy there are days that I was like really angry and really like this sucks this is painful yeah but I walked through those emotions and tried to find the joy one piece of joy in every day mm-hmm so anyway I learned through cancer that now I went through cancer and I can understand what my clients are going through I'm not on the outside looking in I'm now they're holding their hand yeah and so it was a blessing and it helps me relate and and heal on a different level and it became my teacher mm-hmm yeah and I think illness is a teacher in here for an opportunity of growth what are you teaching me and that's hard to say because you know sometimes we don't get healed sometimes people do pass from that illness that was just meant to be their time that's that was their exit point it's okay so I want listeners to know too that not everything's healed in the way that someone may want it to be healed right they might come in for I had one lady come in for bile duct cancer and we really thought that she was healed she all her friends they're like oh my gosh she's completely healed she's completely herself she had two weeks of being completely healthy and she said to me you went to a childhood trauma that I've held on all my life and this healed me more and was more important than my cancer being healed dang so that if I cross over I know I'm not hanging on to that I got rid of that baggage and she passed and she comes through and she's you know a voice on the other side but she was like it came in other ways right it came in and a miracle of letting her have peace so it will always carry something but it I always say come with no expectations because it could be so much more than what you are looking for and you might get healing on so many levels that it does heal but I am NOT God and I believe everything happens in divine order and in divine timing and in the way in which it's supposed to and there has been times that I've worked with clients that we had cancer completely completely healed and I get very close to them and eight months later it comes back and I'm like hey why and it's hard you see mostly hard because I want what they want but I am also not I'm the vessel I'm not the one that can say you know I'd have a line out the door every single person could heal the cancer that's there or heal these illnesses I want to go back to real quick the title of illnesses mm-hmm yeah as soon as a doctor gives us a diagnosis let's just say it's incurable we go oh takes our breath away and we what at that moment we owned it mm-hmm we own that what if you said to yourself I'm not gonna stand in that I'm not gonna own this I have more power than this it's like being told you only have two weeks to live and you end up living two years because he's like no this is on my time mm-hmm right so stand in your power and don't give the power to the title of what it is embrace it because when we give the title which is not a God didn't come up with that title no right no we give it power so we want to take our power back if you are on medicines I just did this with a girlfriend of mine and I was I was like God you can't take her like she's my rock mm-hmm and she needed to take some medicine that was going to be very very toxic oh and I said okay and I did this for myself with cancer too taking 18 chemo pills a day it was like oh I don't want to I blessed him I gave gratitude for him this was made for me please alter it for me so she was supposed to be on that medicine for 18 months and it started giving her every symptom cramps diarrhea burning of her tongue where she couldn't eat but she had this horrific horrific cough that she could couldn't even talk without coughing mm-hmm so the disease was in her lungs within two three weeks the cough was gone and she's like I don't know if I can be on this medicine anymore and I said to her I think we need to start saying thank you God that the medicine cured what it need to cure and I no longer need it and I just found out last night last night she told me she went and saw the doctor and said I stopped the medicine but I no longer have the cough and he did the test and he's like yeah the cough is gone and he goes I did put you on a lot of medicines probably more than what any other doctor would and she goes so I don't need to go back on anymore so did I receive a miracle here and he goes well between God and the this medicine I would say you probably won't be coming back made up maybe in three years I'll see you and she goes I heard a doctor say God and why doesn't and so it's the power look at the power of that gratitude she prayed out the medicine she gave gratitude for the medicine and she think it like nope it's cured standing in my power yeah yeah right we we don't remember again if where we started was I want to help people remember who they are we don't remember just how powerful we are hundred percent right that we don't remember that we are first energy beings in you use the same term I use in a human suit we are we are spiritual beings first human second and if we could just tap into and remember and even if you can't remember just start to believe the fact that you're an aspect or a fragment of God sitting right here and your thoughts are so freaking powerful and if we could just remember that and don't give your power away we and you can you can remember that you're that oh yeah and one of the things you can do too is like the light within you that's God hey you have God within you you're not alone yeah so to remember it maybe just take a deep breath close your eyes and feel it yeah I get that warmth of that I get the chill just thinking of you get this chill go oh yes this is familiar it's like a calmness or a peace or something that just comes out of within here it's like oh wait a minute right yeah it could be a warmth it could be a chill it could do but if you really just say okay I'm ready to connect let me feel you and just breathe it in oh that's that's nice it does feel good doesn't it's really good thank you for that yeah that feels really nice what do you believe around the fact that we can we mistakenly die do we die right on time is like you kind of said you know there are people that I worked on and it was their time or it wasn't their time you know people some people think death is random or we could have saved them if they had the right medicine or fill in the blank what is your belief I feel I feel both I feel you know we have free will mm-hmm there's gonna be some some times we make a wrong choice mm-hmm and we can't get back right I've had I've helped people when I was doing work people that OD'd mm-hmm mean to OD'd they didn't want to OD but they they took the choice to have that and they were like oh shoot shoot shoot shoot I can't get back right because they were so far out of their body so far out and so car accidents some are meant to happen you were there at that moment and sometimes you made that wrong turn and you that that just happened so I believe free will has to come into play here too that's what we're here to have that experience right and other times like you say with the medicine well if they would only been here when this medicine was here they would be healed mm-hmm don't do that to yourself don't do the what-ifs the what-ifs are not going to change anything it happened for a reason and it happened the way it was supposed to happen no matter what happens yep no matter what happens so if somebody passes in a car accident you're like was it their time was it not their time don't try to figure it out just trust that it was meant to be the way it was and the way it transpired mm-hmm and that they went to an incredible place yeah that they're okay because if we say human being trying to figure out all the what-ifs it's gonna it's gonna spiral you it's not gonna serve you mm-hmm but if you just have that knowingness of no matter what they weren't alone mm-hmm and they're in a better space and I need to know that they're still with me in a different way so now what can I do I gonna obviously grieve and I'm gonna feel but in the meantime know that they're there with you supporting you walking through it and now you get to develop a new relationship with them how so well start recognizing do you feel them when you're crying do you feel a gentle touch do you have you seen them in your dream have you felt them touch your arm have has a memory popped into your mind that made you laugh well they're they're putting that there because they want you to smile you know people talk about signs you know as your lights are flickering are they trying to get your attention right yeah it's there's just so many ways but be open to the science that they're bringing don't don't say oh that can't that can't really be them I say challenge them you know do it three times and if they do it three times then it's on you to accept it yeah yeah so true so true I love this and I love that not only after you had this the psychic surgery if we go back there that you at you continue to do your own work around your emotional issues I feel that working those emotional issues are so so important and we just don't really know what to do with our our old stuff or our current stuff honestly so and I also think it's not I sat down with a blank piece of paper mm-hmm not knowing what was gonna I was gonna write I wasn't like oh I need to journal this yeah I just sat and said okay help me help me remember bits by bits help me write it down and it might have been as simple as okay you know what when you were a little how did you feel so now I'm going how did I feel when I was little mm-hmm you know what was what was happening at that age and I would look back and go oh there was some struggle in the home I felt a little bit invisible you're losing your voice mm-hmm and then how did that carry out through you the rest of your life mm-hmm you know and so it builds on itself and then you're like you kind of setting the stone and saying okay wow I can let all that go now and be who I am and who I was created to be yeah I love that I love that you know it's slowing down again and getting curious and asking these questions and then waiting for the answer to come in and whether it's journaling thinking writing it down drawing it out it's reconnecting to yourself isn't it it is and I want to really make a point here too we're not all perfect right going into life yeah eat you do things that are going to how do you want to say teach us and so when we go back to writing don't judge yourself like I could have been a better person in those years you know maybe I drank too much maybe a party too much maybe I hung out with the wrong people mm-hmm yeah you did okay but is God judging you for that no so why are you why are you judging yourself for that say like okay I learned from it I'm better now I'm a better person now and I'm not going back to that because you recognized it right no no I just want to remove the whole judgment while you're doing it right this isn't about judging this is about feeling and letting go and saying it's okay that I was this way it's okay I looked back at you know I'm not angry at my parents because I was invisible they were going through their own issues and I could see it okay well that was their stuff why am I holding on to their stuff right so there's so many layers to it but I think if you just be present with yourself and if you don't want to write it just feel it maybe you'll be crying out of nowhere and go I don't even know why I'm crying but I need to release something yeah and just allow it yeah there's no right or wrong way to do it yeah that's really good stuff right there thank you yeah even like people like to jog they like to walk and hike nature is their religion right that's where they dump things that's where they can release things yeah find your sacred spot mmm where and how you do it like I said there's no right or wrong way mmm such good stuff here is there anything else you want to share mmm I think what's very important for everyone and everyone should do this is to tell themselves that they love them so I started this where in the morning I'll be brushing my teeth and I look in the mirror and I look in the mirror at myself mm-hmm and I'm like it's gonna be a great day Deborah I really love you mm-hmm right here you're like embracing yourself yeah when I go to bed I'm giving gratitude for what transpired good bad whatever it is mm-hmm thank you for the guidance thank you for being there thank you for what I witnessed but then I always hide myself and go oh is it great day I love you Deborah good night because the I sleep better I start my day better because you're you're embracing with love you're starting with love mmm and I think you know love heals that's love God is love good the healings love and if you're starting every day and ending every day with love you are raising your vibration yeah well beautiful beautifully said I love that practice incorporate that it does really make a difference I can see a difference even in a day that I don't do it I feel kind of like my energy is lower mm-hmm yeah it's like wasn't the caffeine well I needed the lot we'll think about the energy that you're bringing in when you're saying that right and hugging I like the idea of hugging and ending the day and starting the day with love I always say love wins love conquers I mean it really does conquer everything everything and we're so much better at pointing out what's wrong instead of the love and we don't need to search for it no it's ready we are it we are we need to love ourselves and that loves within us and it will embrace us and we're never ever alone so don't forget that when you if if you're feeling lonely or you're going through a lot of trauma or stress take a deep breath and just hug yourself and tell yourself everything's gonna be okay mm well because we can't control it mm-hmm I could turn out the way it's gonna turn out yeah and how do you choose to walk through it right and I choose to walk through it with grace and say everything's gonna be okay no matter what it is even if it doesn't turn out the way I want it to be it's still it'd be okay mm-hmm good stuff thank you so much for today you Michelle thank you you're welcome thank you so much for being here and for the work that you're doing in the world yeah and don't forget you're just like tap on your shoulder from you right here my dad right here thank you to your psychic searches that have come in and spiritual searches that have come in to help and and continue to do the work with me today yeah really beautiful thank you