Home To Her

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Hi everyone I'm Jodi Nelson,

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Divine channel and host of Female Frequency.

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Hey Frequency friends,

In today's episode we discuss how to reroute relationships,

Find magic in the everyday and ground truth powerful connections to place.

Yeah this is gonna be a rewilding episode so here we go.

You gotta find the river,

You gotta jump in.

These are words by Liz Childs Kelly when she is telling us like it is.

She helps us to discover the divine feminine inside us and all around us.

Liz is a researcher and educator,

Host of Home to Her podcast and award-winning author of Home to Her.

Today you're invited to stray from the hyper-rational linear paths to discover deeper more curious and complete ways of being in the world.

We dive into how patriarchal strictures have robbed us of so much richness and our divine heritage.

Now my favorite part is when we explore the different language of the body and its signal processing for us to rejoin the sacred feminine,

That flow of the nonlinear.

We reculture words and retrace epitomologies that honor the goddess and the bitch.

Join us in this movement to recall and reconnect with the ancient divine force whose creative wisdom empowers us to heal ourselves,

Our communities and our planet from within.

Now stay till the end because Liz guides us through a grounding exercise to connect and come home.

Hello,

Sister.

Thank you so much for joining me today.

How are you?

I'm doing great.

How are you?

I'm good.

I have butterflies in my stomach.

I just was so excited to talk to you about your book,

Home to Her.

Oh my gosh.

Well,

I'm all excited because this is my most favorite topic in the world.

So anybody that wants to talk about it,

I'm like,

You're my new bestie.

Let's do it.

Let's do it.

Well,

As your nanny says,

Let's stir the pot.

Right.

Let's stir the pot.

Keep stirring the pot.

Nanny is a character,

Is not a character,

But it is.

Nanny has a cameo in your book.

She's one of your ancestors.

And I love that you were incorporating all of that.

But let me back up for a second.

Congratulations on the Nautilus Award for your book.

Oh,

Thank you so much.

I love the Nautilus Award.

That was a huge honor.

Yeah.

Yeah.

How was that process?

Did you hear about it being,

Or your book being nominated?

And did they tell you about it?

And then you had to like sit on pins and needles?

Or what was that process like for you?

Yeah,

So you can nominate or your publisher can nominate you for it.

And in talking to my publisher,

This was one of the ones that my publisher is Woman Craft Publishing.

And so they have won a couple of silvers before,

Not a gold.

And in talking to my publisher,

She said,

I think out of all the awards that are out there,

This is one that's worth going for.

And there's so many books that I love that are Nautilus Award winners that I talk about butterflies in the stomach.

I was just super nervous even about the submission.

There's like something that's like,

I don't know,

Like I'm feeling a little ego full or to even put it forward.

And then the funny thing is when I found out they just sent an email and everybody in my house,

Like my partner and my daughter was out and my youngest was in the shower.

And I just got the email and I'm like,

Oh my,

I need to tell somebody.

And there's no one here to tell.

So it was really funny.

I was just kind of jumping up and down in the house and yelling at my dog.

It was great.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Home to her.

It was you and her celebrating.

Right.

Well,

Yes.

Yes.

Oh gosh.

I can't leave her out.

She was celebrating with me for sure.

Oh,

That's awesome.

That is awesome.

Well,

When we are talking about your book,

I love how your introduction just tells us that you had a life change.

You started listening to a different frequency and it started with you at a conference and I'm a shoe girl too.

So your book starts out that you're sitting in your shoes and,

And,

Uh,

Going,

Yeah,

I had,

I had a past life regression tell me that I was the lady of the shoes through a painting,

No less.

So I was like immediately drawn into your story when you were sitting there.

So,

Uh,

Tell the audience more.

So you were at a conference and somebody changed the path for you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I was at a business conference.

I owned my own consulting company.

And the reference to the shoes is it.

I had fairly recently gotten to this place where,

Um,

Was really struggling with,

Uh,

For a long time of feeling like I,

I was good enough to be where I was to be running this company.

You know,

I had a lot of anxiety and things.

And so I had recently decided like,

Well,

I'm going to look the part,

Like,

Even if I don't feel like,

You know,

Miss with it,

CEO,

I'm going to look the part.

And so I had bought the Valentino thousand dollar Valentino shoes that I was wearing at this conference,

Kind of like that feeling of,

Um,

You know,

Just a dress for the,

The thing that you want to be.

And,

And it is kind of funny because I was invested.

I was really invested in how I looked.

And then I had this experience.

I was listening to a speaker at the very beginning talk.

And,

Uh,

She was,

Her name is Dr.

Elizabeth Kapuolani Lindsay,

And she's a national geographic fellow and an anthropologist.

And she was describing Polynesian navigators.

She called them the wayfinders and was describing how they could travel thousands of miles across the ocean,

Many thousands of years ago without using any of the modern instrumentation that European sailors needed and also assumed that everyone needed.

And she talked about how they could do this by watching the wind and the birds and the stars.

And then she said something kind of like,

You know,

They were so in tune with their own hearts,

The wisdom of their own hearts that they could travel thousands of miles just by watching the way the waves broke across the boat.

Oh,

I still get emotional.

And I had a full body reaction to her words,

Um,

When she said that.

And I'd never had an experience like that before.

It was,

It was new for me.

I didn't know I was capable of having that kind of experience,

But yeah,

I got all hot and tingly from my feet,

You know,

And my fancy shoes all the way up to the top of my head and the room got real shimmery.

And,

Um,

I felt like she was talking to me from a tunnel and it was beautiful.

Like if that sounds scary,

It was not scary.

It was ecstatic.

That's,

I would never have used that word until that moment.

And it was kind of like a sort of a,

Like a veil parted or something of like,

Oh,

Oh,

There's,

There's something bigger here.

Like,

And then once you see it,

For me,

I was like,

I'm in,

I need to know more.

I don't know what's happening,

But if this is a version of reality that I don't have access to yet,

I want more of it.

Oh,

Yes.

I love it.

I love it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's listening to something else.

It's paying attention.

It's picking up those breadcrumbs,

As you say,

Like of,

Of another,

Of another frequency as I like to call it.

Yes.

Yeah.

And it really did.

It,

It wasn't very much before and after moment and not in the way that movies show us where I've like walked out of the business conference and I'm like,

I don't care anymore about my job,

But that is kind of what it took longer,

But I had such a hard time caring about some of the things that I had invested so much time in,

Like my shoes.

I could have cared less about my shoes within five minutes.

Yeah.

And it,

It,

It's,

It seemed like an invitation,

You know,

To a different way,

To a deeper way of being in the world.

And I wanted to say yes with,

Even though it was really scary,

I wanted to follow it and I did.

And so you did.

What were some of those first couple steps that you did?

Cause you,

You didn't immediately cut yourself off from your consulting company.

No.

Yeah.

No,

I couldn't do that.

And I started,

I'd started very literally.

I'm like,

Who are these wayfinders?

Cause I didn't know anything.

I'm just like,

Well,

If I reacted to words about these people,

Then maybe it's something about these people.

And I started looking for information about them.

And the kind of funny thing is,

Is like,

If anybody's seen,

You're in Hawaii,

Right?

If anybody's seen the,

The children's moving Moana,

You know,

That I feel like that kind of,

I don't know how accurately,

But that sort of put these people on the map in a bigger way culturally,

But this was before Moana came out.

So I was kind of fumbling around in the dark a little bit.

And I started reading about,

I found another National Geographic fellow who had written about these wayfinders.

And then that led me to learning about other indigenous wisdom traditions.

And I think what was happening there was an opening to see the world,

Not in this hyper rational,

Linear way that I was totally immersed in,

And especially in the business world.

And like,

I couldn't get enough of it.

I,

I,

My brain,

I just could not fathom like,

Wait,

There are people in the world who don't have a word for time or have no concept for material wealth.

Wait,

What?

I mean,

There was actually points.

I remember reading something one night and I was wide awake,

Like super into it.

And I just fell asleep.

And I really think my brain was like rewiring itself.

There was this total shift in understanding how to be in the world.

And I needed,

I needed to rest in order for those pathways to be laid.

It was that profound.

Well,

I think one of your quotes that you say in here,

In your book,

And I'm,

I'm going to read it,

Language does not come from our mind and it isn't rooted in logic.

It's the language of the soul longing to reunite with the sacred center of ourselves.

Yes.

Yes.

Yeah.

That's very much the way it was.

And then,

And then stuff started getting weird,

You know,

I started having these really intense dreams.

I never remembered my dreams and I started seeing things and,

And,

You know,

Like some,

It was just different.

Not like a kid when you're like,

Hey,

I think that looks like a teddy bear in the clouds.

It'd be like,

Oh my God,

That is like a full fledged outlined giant bear,

Like in the sky looking at me right now,

That kind of thing started happening.

And so it was,

It was wild and wonderful and magical and also lonely.

You know,

I was going through it by myself at the time and I didn't feel like I knew anybody that I could talk to about it.

So it was this really strange feeling of like,

I am more alive than I ever have been in the world.

And I don't know who to tell it to.

Right.

I'm like waving my hands up.

If I had a rattle or something,

I'd be like,

Yes,

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And it took longer for me to figure out that that was the divine feminine.

I didn't,

I didn't know.

I didn't know what was calling me.

I learned that later.

I was also pregnant with my son when all this was happening.

So that was a huge part of it too.

And his birth kind of really dropped the rest of the pieces into place for me.

Yeah.

Did you ever grow up?

Well,

I guess not growing up like Googling what some of these feelings were because we didn't have internet when we were kids,

But did you ever spend time growing up thinking about like the divine?

You have a little bit of a Protestant background.

Is that right?

Yeah.

I was raised a Southern Baptist.

And so if anybody knows what that means,

It's,

It's a fairly conservative Christian.

There are some that are very conservative.

Mine was more moderate,

But yeah.

And I,

I was hungry for divine connection.

And it's really interesting to me that I'm a pretty curious person,

But I didn't,

I think they had a strong streak of the good girl and wanting to be good in my family.

And so I just kept seeking the divine in the traditional channels because I thought that's where I was supposed to go.

And I didn't really know of anything outside of there.

So I,

I was,

You know,

I remember choosing the Baptist church you choose when you get baptized and I,

As opposed to doing it at birth.

And I chose it.

I think I was,

I was a kid.

I don't remember how old I was,

Maybe eight or nine.

And I was like,

It is time.

I am,

I am down.

I want the divine secrets.

I want to know what's going on.

And in the Baptist faith that you are also,

They have a baptismal pool in the back of the church.

And so you are baptized in front of everybody.

They put you in a robe and they take you up there and you are baptized.

And I remember just being like mystified and enthralled by the whole thing.

And then afterwards being like,

That was it.

But I thought,

I thought I was going to learn something.

I thought,

I thought it was going to be different.

And all that happened was a bunch of old people like congratulated me.

Like it was nothing.

There was nothing.

Where's the magic wand?

Where are the stars?

Where's the poof?

Yeah.

And,

And so like,

I was,

I was,

And then as I got older,

I was very much a spiritual seeker,

But it felt like embarrassing in a way.

Like,

I don't know,

It felt like it would didn't,

It didn't go hand in hand with this business career that I was pursuing.

And it didn't align with my friends who I loved,

But we just,

You know,

Would go out drinking on the weekends and talk about the guys that we met.

And it just like this,

This soul kind of yearning part of me felt like,

Like it just didn't belong in the world.

So I had to kind of keep it down.

Yeah.

Well,

A lot of those organized religions just indoctrinate you that you're not good enough unless you do X,

Y,

Z.

So no wonder there's a huge shadow side for so many of us.

I mean,

I have it too.

I'm not good enough.

I need to make it better.

I need to do it stronger,

Bigger,

Bolder,

Something.

Yeah.

Can I even do this?

Yeah.

Totally.

Good for you.

Good for you for listening to her.

Well,

You know,

I,

I've said this,

I said this before I was on a podcast a couple years ago,

And I was talking about that experience.

And this,

This guy who was doing the interview said,

Well,

We get wake up calls like that all the time.

Like,

Why did you listen?

And I'm like,

I can't explain it to you,

But I never got a wake up call like this.

And I doubt that I will since like I,

It was so very loud that,

Um,

I,

There was no way that I could not listen.

I had to,

Like,

It,

It felt like essential for this lifetime.

So that's awesome.

That is so great.

And you love yourself enough to do it.

Yeah,

I guess I did.

And I,

It felt like such a relief to give that spiritually seeking part of me space,

Like,

Gosh,

She wanted it.

I wanted it,

You know?

So I needed it to be complete and,

Um,

God,

What a ride.

I'm so grateful.

I have never,

There've been a lot of hard moments,

But I've never regretted like saying yes and following it.

Not,

Not once,

Not for a second.

That is the way,

That is the way I know you've turned,

You had a podcast home to her first,

Right?

And then your book,

I started writing the book first.

Um,

Is that right?

Yeah.

And there's a fun story to that.

If you'd like to hear it,

I can tell you.

Um,

Yeah,

So I,

My son was born and the pieces kind of fell into place of like,

Oh,

Like what I've been missing is women's spiritual experiences.

And I kind of learned that through the childbirth experience.

And then once I realized that I was like,

I think,

I think this is a major reason why I'm here in this lifetime is to learn about the divine feminine.

And even then I had a feeling like,

I think I'm going to eventually need to share this with people.

Um,

And so I tried to hold that for a while with my current job and be like,

Okay,

Well,

How can I merge these things?

Because leaving this company that I had built,

I had employees,

I had two small children at that point.

Like I had two different offices,

One in California and one in New York.

I could,

You know,

It was,

There was a lot,

The idea of unraveling it was terrifying.

And so I was trying to think about how to hold it together.

And of course that was not,

That was not the path.

That was not what I was supposed to do.

Um,

But,

Um,

But so I eventually kind of,

I got out of the company.

It was very difficult,

But one of my employees bought it from me.

It was very contentious.

It was a,

It was a really hard experience.

And then afterwards I was so uncomfortable in that liminal space,

As we often tend to be like,

We want to know what's coming next.

And of course that is the space of the goddess,

Right?

Like chaos and unpredictability and liminality is her.

But so I'm like,

I kept trying to come up with ideas of like,

What can I do next?

I'm like,

I'm going to come up with a women's leadership program that taps into our intuition,

Which is hysterical.

Cause I was in no way qualified or ready to do that.

Um,

But you know,

Just,

I was trying to,

You know,

Find the comfortable thing.

And,

Um,

It was like three or four days after the sale of the company closed,

I woke up with this very clear thought in my head,

Like somebody had spoken it right into my head.

And it was make any decision that you want.

Just know that everything is going to change in seven months.

And I remember thinking like,

God,

What a weird number,

Seven months.

Okay.

So,

You know,

I kind of piddled around with a leadership program.

Didn't get it up and running.

I did a yoga teacher training,

Which was amazing.

And,

Um,

And then one morning sometime later,

I woke up again with this very clear thought in my head of like,

I need to write a book.

And I was getting this whole like download of what the chapter should look like,

What it should be.

And so I get up and I grabbed my journal and I run into the kitchen with my cup of coffee to start writing.

And it falls open to the day that I had written down that weird message.

I wrote down the seven month message and it was seven months to the day.

It was absolutely wild.

Now I need to clarify.

I was not ready to write the book.

The whole outline got scrapped eventually,

You know,

I've redone it a million times,

But I think that was the invitation in the opening to be like,

Now you're ready to start doing this research.

Now you're ready to start thinking about how this is going to come together.

And it took many years to finish the book,

But that was the start.

And I love it.

I love it.

I got the full body chills for you too.

Like the seven month,

Come on.

Oh,

So wild.

So wild.

Yeah.

I actually have gone back and looked at it again.

You know,

Like the timing between the two,

Like,

Like I didn't make that up.

Did I?

I'm like,

Nope.

It's right there.

It's so crazy.

Yeah.

It's just a stronger word besides synchronicities.

You know,

You know that,

I mean,

That is the universe that is her helping you with very clear signs.

Yeah.

And my feeling now on this with many years behind me is that I,

And I could change my mind,

But I think that there are,

Perhaps there are things we need to be doing or a path that we need to be on.

And if we're not on that path,

We are going to get pushed and pushed and pushed to get on the path and to do the thing.

And then once we're on the path and we're doing the thing,

Then there's a lot of creativity.

Then the path can start going all kinds of different ways.

Like who knows,

You can start creating lots of things,

But the thing that's going to get you going that way,

Like the essential thing,

You'll,

You're going to get pushed until you get there.

Yeah.

Stay open,

Stay curious.

And then yeah,

Like,

Like the river,

That creativity will just flow.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But you got to find the river.

You got to jump in.

You got to jump in.

You got to jump in.

Yeah.

So you did,

You jumped right in and you are seeing the way and you're going to these sacred feminine sites.

And I was wondering,

I'm,

I mean,

I'm a huge pilgrim of sacred feminine sites too.

Did you also say that you went to see the Venus with Horn in Bordeaux in France at the museum?

Yeah,

I did.

The Goddess of La Salle.

I did.

I did.

Yeah.

Bordeaux has some very special moments for me too.

Oh,

It was absolutely amazing to be able to see her.

And I don't know if you remember,

But there are other carvings that were found in that same time period from that same area that we don't hear anything about,

Including one that is thought to be the oldest image that we have of a woman giving birth,

Which is absolutely wild to me that virtually no one knows about that unless they've been to that museum and seen it.

Agreed.

Agreed.

Because,

I mean,

I practically have my PhD in the Venus sculptures that were found.

I went on Venus,

I went on Venus tour.

I call it Venus tour in 2022.

And that's where,

That's where I was in Bordeaux.

That's the timing.

And when I saw the woman giving birth,

Some of the language descriptors,

The signage next to it,

Was so asinine.

I was like,

Are you really thinking that this is helping people?

This is obviously a woman giving birth.

Oh my God.

Oh my God.

Jodi,

Bless you for saying this because this made me insane.

So just for your listeners,

What it says is they call this image the playing card.

The playing card.

Because what you're seeing is like a woman's figure with her legs kind of drawn up.

And then there's like a body emerging from underneath her.

So it sort of looks like a reverse image.

But it's a woman giving birth.

And they even identify that in the placard in the text later.

But talk about,

To use a journalism term,

Burying the lead.

This is the big story is that we think this is the oldest image we have of a woman giving birth.

And you're going to call it the playing card or two characters?

What the?

What the F?

What the F?

What the heck?

And it's so indicative of,

And one reason why I wrote the book,

Just so indicative of this narrow,

Myopic cultural mindset that we have,

This patriarchal view,

And the way it's robbed us of so much richness in our heritage.

It's awful,

Truly.

It's awful because we gave these quote unquote historians,

I did,

I gave them so much of my attention and so much of my education and so much of the opinion that I picked up because I thought that they were,

They were right.

I thought that they were knowing.

I thought that they had done their research.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The Venus with horn obviously is a crescent moon.

Obviously.

I was like,

What?

Right.

That doesn't look like a horn.

But it's because of that patriarchal viewpoint when they were naming them.

What was going on in their culture at the time?

And they didn't,

In my mind,

They weren't curious enough to bring it back to what was happening then.

What was happening?

That's obviously a woman.

Okay.

So what was the women's culture like?

What were they?

And I,

And I,

I mean,

You know,

Less we think that this is like,

You know,

Because these were 20 earlier 20th century researchers,

Right.

That are doing this archaeologists and stuff.

But less we think this is over there.

I mean,

You may have seen this.

There's a Werner Herzog documentary about one of the caves.

That's really bugging me.

I can't remember the name.

It's not Lascaux,

But it's one of the big caves in France.

And there is,

I mean,

You can watch this documentary.

There's,

There,

He got access and got into the cave and saw some of these amazing cave paintings.

But there is one that is like clearly the body of a woman that was painted.

And it's,

If I'm recalling correctly,

Is the only human body that's in there.

There's handprints and there's animals,

But this human body.

And he literally just skips right over it.

Like,

Like what?

I can't get it.

And for the record,

I like him.

He's done cool movies,

You know,

But like,

This is,

It's a mindset.

And I think this is one of the most frustrating things.

And also a reason why I wrote the book is that we have made a lot of progress.

There is no doubt about it,

But we have made progress within patriarchal structures that were never designed to support us and never took us into consideration in the first place.

And so that's why this is all so freaking subtle and so toxic because we can't see it until we can.

And there's so little that really wants to show us this,

That really wants to put it in our face.

Word.

Word.

I'm,

You put that so well because I think that that's why I'm connecting with so many more women now is to regain that support system that we need.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I see that you,

Shout out to Max Dashu in your book,

Who has been able to record,

For those of you who don't know Max's work yet,

She's a lead women's historian,

Has 50,

000 or more images of women's contributions in visual format,

All across the globe,

All across the ages.

So if you're,

And if you're looking for more imagery of something that you're connecting with,

You guys,

Please go check out her work.

Please do.

It's so good.

So good.

And as she says,

You can argue over words and stuff,

But you cannot argue over the iconographical record.

And the iconographical record that she has amassed is so big that it's just like,

You can't argue with the visuals.

They're there.

They're there.

It's the evidence that we need.

It's the evidence.

Yeah.

Speaking of evidence,

And kind of getting back into your body,

As you were saying earlier,

That you were just having this tingling from toes to head.

So what are some of,

What are some of the other sacred sites that you visited?

Because you have some where you went,

But the natural laws got you,

Like the natural world and the rain.

Yes.

Well,

You know,

What's interesting about that trip,

We went to Europe.

So I went to Europe and my whole family went and my kids were two and five at the time.

And so I really wanted to do this pilgrimage.

And I knew that I could not be away.

I just didn't want to be away from my children for very long.

And I was like,

There's no way I can do this in like a week.

And so it became a whole summer trip that we finagled.

And that also changed the nature of it too,

Because my family was with me and there was this real part of me,

There was a real tug and pull,

Kind of the whole time of like wanting to go deep or like longing to just like immerse myself in a cave in Crete for three hours and listen.

And the awareness that my kids are up in the car and I've got like 10 minutes at best before they lose it and we have to go get ice cream.

You know,

It was like this whole push and pull thing.

But it didn't really matter because the divine feminine,

The sacred feminine,

The goddess,

She found me even in the places where I wasn't necessarily expecting to find her.

I think it was the devotion and the longing and the willingness to travel and to show up that made her meet me.

And so,

You know,

One of the experiences that I had that was so profound and that felt very of her was I was in Switzerland.

And Switzerland is not like necessarily known as like this hotbed of sacred feminine,

I don't know,

Research or whatever or sites.

But we were just visiting this place called Trommelbach Falls and there's waterfalls that run inside a mountain.

And they've,

You know,

The tourist body has 100 years ago carved a path in there so you could go and see them.

And so I was in there with my family and I just,

The water rushing through this thing was unbelievable,

So powerful.

And I turned a corner and came face to face with this gush of water and I became the water.

I can't,

Our words fail us,

Right,

When we have these deeply profound experiences.

But I was just gone.

I was the water.

And the water was me.

And all of that raw,

Creative,

Powerful force,

It was like,

Whoa,

This is me as well.

And it was her.

It was 100% her.

And I didn't go there thinking that I'm going to meet her.

I went because it was a family experience.

And that whole trip was peppered with those kinds of experiences as well as the beauty of being in the actual places that I was able to go to.

I also had these just amazing,

Deeply connected,

Imminent,

Immersive experiences just in kind of ordinary places too.

Yeah.

There is magic in the mundane.

So,

Oh,

That's where it is,

I think.

Yes.

You know?

Yeah.

I really do.

I've really embraced this idea and I share it with other people and I'm,

You're down with your crystals or whatever,

Like,

Good for you.

And your ancestors were working with what they had.

They were not shipping off to Tibet to get some sacred stone sent over to them.

The stones and the animal bones and the things that they had mattered to them because they had relationship to place and to land and the mundane and the ordinary.

They were deeply ensconced in the world and they knew that's where the goddess was.

She wasn't in a church.

She wasn't in a painting.

She was there.

It was there.

Right.

And so,

All of the ordinary stuff around us is so sacred and so powerful.

We just need to be in relationship with it.

In relation.

Absolutely.

That's my mantra for this year,

2024.

I love it.

Be in better relations.

You have a quote in here,

Because I'm in a Malama project here in Hawaii,

But bringing the light in the land,

Bringing the light up through.

And so,

When you had this quote,

I was like,

Yes,

Rebecca Campbell's.

So,

Nature is teaching us how to be more human every moment of every day.

The rose coaxes us to open and soften our heart.

The oak teaches us to drop our roots deep in order to stand tall.

No matter who you are,

You will find your true nature in nature.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So good.

So good.

And so true.

So true.

If you think about these beings,

Maybe not the individual tree,

The oak tree has been here longer than you and is going to be here after you.

And just even the life of all of these beings,

The plants and the trees,

They're older than human.

They have so much to teach us.

So much.

So much to teach us.

And so much of my education,

It's been,

We don't need the land or it is just that of a resource or,

Yeah,

I mean,

Through the canon of ecofeminism,

It's like,

We need,

We need,

We need to listen.

Yeah.

Like whoever said as fragile as a flower,

I mean,

Flowers,

Right?

Flowers are some of the strongest,

Strongest things on this planet.

So true.

Yeah.

And so beautiful.

So beautiful.

That's exactly what I was thinking too.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

I'm just reminded with saying that,

You know,

The full body tingles.

It's just a great language to be in relationship with when it comes to yourself.

Yeah.

And our intuition has so much to teach us.

And I think that is a great and powerful work to,

To listen to it.

And it is a language of the body.

I think it's very much a language of the body.

Virtually everything in our culture is telling us to use the mind to sort things out.

So it is constant practice to quiet the mind and listen to the body.

And those two things need to go together for me.

You know,

There's a meditative practice that I like,

Which is about quieting the mind,

But it's not just about emptying.

It's not just about ignoring everything.

It's about quieting the mind to listen to the inner indwelling presence of God,

Which by the way,

Is the divine feminine and identified as such in many traditions.

Word again.

I hear you.

I hear you.

So let's go to chapter nine because I want to get into it.

So chapter nine,

The goddess within the sacred feminine as the indwelling presence of the feminine.

Yeah.

Okay.

I want to talk about everything and all of it,

But how,

How'd you come up with that word indwelling?

Because I would love to share my story with it and I will probably get emotional,

But I'm so curious.

How did you get to that word indwell?

Cause it is very specific and I can't wait to hear.

Well,

I want to hear your story.

I feel like I got there through my understanding of the Shekinah and the Jewish principle,

Which is in that,

That concept,

I think for me was even more alive than that of Sophia,

Which is also the same idea,

That inner wisdom,

But that indwelling,

I learned about it from studying about and reading about the Holy Shekinah.

And it was such a powerful word to me.

And I felt like it described that experience that I had at the business conference because that didn't come from outside of me.

That came from within me.

And the knowing that rose up when my son was born of like,

Oh wait,

Like the power of birth and creation and all of it,

It's in me.

It is moving through me.

It all made that word feel really super resonant for me.

And so that's why I wanted to use it,

But I want to know why,

I want to know what it means to you.

I don't think I've ever,

I probably said that word indwell maybe two,

Less than a handful of times in my entire life.

Yeah.

And I had a body experience.

I was,

It was like in the twinkle of the dawn and I was screaming the word indwell.

Wow.

And not screaming with anger or fear.

It was almost ecstatic in joy,

Which I was like indwell.

And then,

And then I'm like,

Well,

How do you spell that?

I don't spell very well.

And so I'm like listening to my body,

But I'm like,

Am I hearing this clear audience?

Where is this coming from?

And still to this day,

It just rises up to my shoulders and like makes me sit up taller and makes me like take a deeper breath,

That word indwell.

And it has been so frequent.

It's a synchronicity word for me in these last X amount of months.

It's actually almost a year,

If not pretty dang close of that word indwell.

And maybe take what I've,

What I'm learning about it is to pay attention to it because it's,

It's,

As I get older and wiser and more comfortable,

I'm like,

There's that word indwell.

There's that feeling of indwell again.

Yeah.

Wow.

And it's like an indoctrination with myself,

As you would say with her.

Yes.

It's divine.

With that,

With that frequency of a creative flow to go with it,

You know,

It doesn't,

It's,

It is that divine aspect of not being so rigid and just like the being on the river going with the flow.

Yeah.

And I don't know if this is true for you,

But it also makes me think of that,

You know,

Now we're like kind of like a more lofty concept,

But that of eminence,

Which is the,

Or you could say animacy,

Maybe just the presence of the divine in every living thing.

Like there is that,

That,

That spark.

And if it's in you,

Then,

Oh my gosh,

Like what a gift in so many ways and how much easier in a way does life become?

Because you have what you need.

You already have it.

The sense of ease.

Yeah.

Comes back.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And we forget.

And then we remember again.

Yes.

Or you get woken up at 3am yelling the word,

You know,

Because you need to be reminded in a big,

Profound way,

You know,

Right?

Like,

Yeah.

Yes.

Yes.

Get back to it.

Like she's got your back.

It's all good.

Just go.

Yeah.

Just go.

Yeah.

I remember when I was going to some sacred sites in India,

I,

You know,

I was going to meet Shiva on these giant sculptures through Elephanta and Elora in the middle of India.

And all I wanted to do was like,

Do handstands,

The yoga positions of handstands.

And as I look back,

I was just following my feelings then.

I just was like,

I must do these movements.

Okay.

Tripper,

What are you doing?

Cause I had my cousin with me and she was like,

Okay,

You do you.

But it's like,

I just was,

I wasn't,

I was there to do more.

Like I always say,

I went to go meet Shiva and I met Shakti.

So when I was doing these handstands,

That's exactly what I was doing.

I was just learning something new.

I was turning my education.

I was turning my thoughts upside down and I had to turn my body upside down.

I love it.

And you know what that makes me think of too?

I had this conversation on my podcast recently with a guest.

It's not out yet,

But it will be soon.

And if we were talking about how there's this wisdom,

I think of the body that's,

It's in us and it's,

You know,

We don't have to gender it,

But it does seem to like a female thing,

Like a woman thing,

Like you're,

You're able to access it.

And that some of these spiritual traditions and religions,

You know,

Like I just wonder sometimes that they're like men just trying their best to like write down the stuff that,

That women already are feeling in their bodies.

And they're like,

I don't know how that works.

So let me write it down so that I can remember it and pass it on to other men.

And I,

You know,

I'm,

I'm saying that cause I was,

I was studying a little bit of classical Tantra recently,

Which I've really,

Really enjoyed.

And,

And I was grateful that somebody did write it down because there are experiences that I've had in my body where I'm like,

Oh yeah,

I know what they're talking about there.

Like I felt that,

But I also had the feeling as I was reading some of it,

Like these guys,

They should have just gone and asked the women because they know what's happening.

They,

They,

They're embodying it.

They're feeling it.

They're feeling it.

Yes.

Yes.

And even for the listeners,

Even your body is evidence,

These little tingles that when the hair stands up in your arm or on your back,

Or it is some of those things to be more aware of that are huge signs.

If you haven't been listening to them before.

Yes.

And then the work I think is,

Is figuring out what they mean to you,

Right?

You know,

Like,

How is this,

What is,

What is my unique language?

And then not,

You know,

Falling into the sticky trap of like,

Oh,

Well this,

This happened.

So this must mean this,

You know,

Like,

Like playing with this space of curiosity.

And I think over time,

I,

I,

I would be curious if you think this is true,

But my body gives me tells and I do know,

You know,

Like what they mean.

Like sometimes they're like,

Pay attention,

But I still have to be open to like,

Why am I paying attention?

I can't assume,

You know,

Like,

Oh,

I know what that means.

Yes.

Yeah.

And it's all just a,

It's a listening game and paying attention and offering respect to that language,

Right?

Like anything that we give our time and attention to is going to grow.

And if we don't,

Then it won't.

So.

Yeah.

Being curious to it and,

But not judging it.

Oh,

For sure.

Yeah.

Or,

Or dismissing it.

Yes.

They're like,

Oh,

That's in the matter.

Yeah.

Yes.

My friend of mine constantly was telling me a few years ago,

Your,

Your feelings are evidence.

Your feelings are evidence.

And I was like,

Oh,

Okay.

It just,

I hear it differently every single time.

Yes.

Every time.

Yeah.

I love that.

Well,

Each chapter in your book gives the readers a,

What do you call it?

You call it a,

A journal prompt.

You call it a guidance,

A guidance guide.

I think I have sacred practices in there.

Sacred practices.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Well,

As we conclude today,

I want to tell everybody where your podcast is.

I want to tell everybody where your website is.

What else should we tell them before you guide us?

If you will,

Do you,

Do you still fill up to it to give us a sacred practice as we close?

Okay.

Awesome.

I do.

I do.

Well,

So all the things are home to her.

So my podcast is called home to her.

It comes out every full and new moon and you can find that anywhere you access your podcast.

The book is called home to her.

You can buy that anywhere that you buy your books.

And my website is home to her.

Com.

I also am teaching courses at home to her academy.

Com.

I'm working hard on getting more up there in the fall,

But yeah,

These are places where if you want to go deeper into some of the things that I talk about in the book and I'm doing that and it's not just me,

I have other teachers who are doing it with me as well.

Very cool.

Yeah.

And you can find all that at home to her.

Com.

You can find,

You can get to everything that you want from there.

I got to,

I didn't realize that your podcast was every new and full moon.

That's delightful.

Yeah.

You know,

This is one of my little things of like,

I want to orient myself back towards natural cycles and then that I can give that to other people.

I probably should call it out more.

I wonder if people are just like,

Does she just release this whenever,

But it is every full and new moon or as close as I can get.

Some,

Some days I miss it,

But 90% of the time that's when they come out.

Oh,

I would.

Yeah.

Don't bury that lead.

I put that out there.

I know.

I need to say it more often for sure.

Oh,

It,

It's intriguing and it makes a lot of sense.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Just to remind us we're,

We're cyclical,

We are cyclical beings and we are constantly moving through cycles,

You know?

So we are,

And we can,

It's okay to go through those cycles,

Those biological cycles,

The ebbs and the flows.

Yeah.

And I,

I,

I hope,

You know,

I don't know.

My wish would be if people are attuning to that in that way,

Then start paying attention to the moon in the sky.

Like just go look up.

Do you know what the moon is right now?

Do you know?

It's not that hard.

And if you don't see it in the sky,

Just download a free app.

That'll tell you when it rises and when it sets and just start,

Just start paying attention.

Like you can do a journal and stuff,

But just go outside and look up.

That's all you have to do really.

I love it.

I love it.

Thank you for that reminder,

Connecting back to the earth.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And as far as sacred practice goes,

If you know what I'd really love to share with you,

I've been very passionate about this lately and I'm passing it on to anybody that wants to access it.

But,

And there is actually,

There's a,

There's a meditation I could give you if you want.

I don't know.

You'll have to tell me if you want that or not.

I could give a link to it.

It's on SoundCloud if people would like to listen to it.

But the practice of rooting and grounding into where you are every day is one of the most important things that I do in the way that I connect with the divine mother.

And I usually do it at the end of like a quiet sitting period where I try to get empty and listen.

And you're really just connecting your grounding cord from the base of your spine down into the earth,

All the way to the center and the core of the earth.

And what has become clear to me,

And it's not even in the book,

I think,

But is even more important to me now is to pay attention to what you're passing on the way down,

Because that's where you are.

It is location based.

And so the more in tune you are with your environment,

The more powerful your grounding is going to be,

The less it's going to be an imaginative exercise,

And the more it's going to be real.

So what does the dirt look like?

Are there rocks?

Where's the water?

You're passing water at some point,

Feeling into all of that and becoming aware of that.

And then when you do find that core center of the earth where you're plugging your grounding cord into,

And let that be,

You know,

Like let it appear however it appears to you.

Notice when you get there too,

Just look for other cords,

Because you're not alone.

There are other people doing this,

And that is community,

And that is powerful.

Even if you don't know them,

You are connecting your energy to them.

You are becoming part of this network that understands the power of the earth and the divine mother.

And then pull that energy up into your body.

Invite it up and into your body.

I do it on the inhales,

And I kind of follow up through the chakras if you work with chakras,

But you could just expand your whole body if that doesn't resonate.

And then on the exhales,

Just imagine it filling you as you're letting go of whatever you don't need.

You're composting it,

Which is what the earth does.

Nothing leaves the system or a closed system.

It just goes back to the earth.

So give back what you don't need and trust the divine mother to turn it into gold,

Something good,

And pull that energy up and out of your head,

All the way up and out.

Kind of shimmers all the way down,

And that becomes somewhat of a protective field for you as well.

And it's not like a shield,

And it's not like a bubble.

I personally don't work with those energies because it's all connected.

We're all one.

But what that does for me is it creates a slowdown.

Do I want this to come into my energetic field or not?

Let me pause and see if I want it to move through this energetic space that I've created,

The sacred space.

And that energy just flows up and out of the crown of the head,

And it goes right back down into the earth.

It reconnects with your cord,

And it just keeps flowing.

And I love to do it in the morning.

And I've got a 15-minute meditation on it,

But you could also do it really fast.

If you get used to doing it,

You can do it right before anything.

If you're feeling unstable,

You can do it anywhere.

It's really fun and interesting to do it in different locations because the earth is different,

And you're going to encounter different things.

And you're also creating relationship in the places that you are at,

Which is,

To your point,

Your word for 2024.

Right?

In relation.

Yeah.

Yeah.

In relation.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That was neat.

Thank you.

I didn't have a whole lot of dirt.

Mine was a little metallic-y,

Shiny,

Luminous.

I love it.

Yeah.

That was special.

Thank you.

And all of it's good.

We're not supposed to be seeing the same thing necessarily.

I tell people when I do this,

See,

Sense,

Feel,

Imagine,

However that works in your body.

But the more you do it in your place,

I think the deeper the relationship becomes.

And that's some power.

That's some genuine power.

Thank you for sharing all of that and helping the listeners get back to their power.

Yeah.

I wanted to ask one last question as we go.

You embrace the word priestess,

And I do too.

So thank you,

Priestess,

For your time and energy today with all that you do with connecting to yourself and helping the community with the divine and her.

Are there other words we can help with the community of power words for women?

Like,

Priestess has gone through the crapper a hundred million times and through millions of years.

And so I know that there's a lot of us,

A lot of people,

Both,

All types of people.

Yes.

He,

She,

They.

Yes.

That word priestess is just,

It's not strong.

It's less than.

Should we conclude with some big strong words for women who are in their power or the feminine,

The feminine,

The creative that are in their power?

Well,

Here's the thing.

Language is patriarchal.

It was developed under patriarchal systems.

And so we either make up our own words or we reclaim words that have inevitably gotten tainted.

And I think priestess is one of those words.

It is.

It has connotations of patriarchy and monotheism,

Like even like with priest in hierarchy,

It has that implication.

But what other words are we going to use that don't have that we're in a patriarchal monotheistic hierarchical system?

And that's how our words came about.

So I think to me,

Any word that we take back and we say,

No,

I'm going to use it the way that I want is power.

So which can be a very powerful word.

You know,

You could,

You could pick that one apart too.

Um,

I don't know.

I think I put,

I did put this in the book,

Like the origin of the word bitch is that,

So I hope it's okay that I cursed here,

But,

Um,

It,

It referred to followers of the goddess Diana.

So if you called somebody a son of a bitch,

That meant he was a follower of the goddess.

So reclaiming words like this and knowing them like,

Yeah,

Call yourself a bitch.

Just know exactly why you're saying it and how you're saying it.

Wise woman,

Healer.

There's so many words.

And then I think it becomes really interesting.

If you know your own heritage at all,

Can you,

Can you max issue is very good for this.

Her research is very good for this.

Trace your way back to some of those original words that were used for things that have now just become which,

Because usually they're words for power for women.

Yeah.

I love it.

Thank you so much for helping us summon today.

Some inner love,

Unconditional love,

Inner power.

Yeah,

That was really great.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

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