Dissecting The Wisdom - Moving Above The 4th Dimension

And welcome back to another episode of Dissecting the Wisdom of Sholt Azar with my collaborator and good friend Mark Lane.

Welcome back,

Mark.

Thanks,

Jeffrey.

Glad to be here.

Yeah,

Great.

And today,

We're going to jump right in.

Today,

The message that you have chosen to dissect with me is?

Right above the fourth dimension.

Yeah,

Yeah.

Really interesting one.

Just for some context,

It's one of the more recent messages that I channeled.

And the one we talked about last week,

Oneness,

Was one of the first that I channeled.

And yet,

They seem to be having a similar theme,

And they seem to be talking about manifestation and creating.

And what a better subject for us to talk about as we are still moving through this situation that has been named COVID-19,

Because as we sort of move through this,

Being able to manifest and create differently,

I think is going to be important.

Wouldn't you agree?

Oh,

Yeah.

I think whether people know it or not,

The manifestation is kind of where this is all pointed.

And what kind of reality are you going to manifest coming out of this?

Are we going to try to fit ourselves back into the old paradigm and the old energy and kind of go in a circle?

Or are we going to hop to a new reality that is something different than what we're all used to?

Yeah,

It's interesting you say that.

Shaltazar has made it clear to me that whether we like it or not,

We're going to be creating a new world order.

And they've said many times that new world orders have come forth.

And if we can think,

Even in my lifetime,

I was born after World War II.

So I was probably at the beginning of that new world order prior to World War II.

I think the world was a different place.

I lived through the Vietnam War.

And so there have been,

I've lived through the tech boom.

And here we are recording on Zoom.

So there are various blips that we will call new world orders where there's an opportunity to create,

As Shaltazar calls it,

To create a new.

So I think this is really a timely message because if we're going to be creating something new,

Whether we like it or not,

And I believe this pandemic reality having lived through it and moving through it,

Things are going to be different.

And conscious creation,

I think,

Is really,

Really important.

Before we started recording this,

Marc,

You and I were talking about how often we're not as conscious as we could be when we're creating things.

We sort of do it from autopilot.

Right.

Right.

Yeah.

We had talked about this during the series we recorded promoting pandemic positivity where I think until this happened,

Most of humanity was sort of on autopilot.

We were just kind of going through the motions of living life.

And I can point to my father's retirement,

For example.

And he really enjoyed his work.

He was an educator and a coach,

Athletic coach.

And when it all came to an end,

You see a lot of people,

A lot of retirees step back and go,

Wow,

What was this all about?

I'm so used to going to the same place every day and doing the same thing and just kind of living an entire life on autopilot when that stops and that life is no longer,

You're no longer living that life.

It causes a lot of people,

I think,

To step back and scratch their head and go,

What was the purpose of all of this?

And now what am I going to do?

Because I haven't really been aware of anything I've been doing for 40 years.

And now suddenly I'm confronted with all of this awareness and all of this responsibility to finish out my time here.

And really,

Without a rudder,

Sometimes without a horse.

Right.

Right.

And so I find this message,

The one that you chose,

Is really a fascinating one because it does have some remnants of the oneness message.

We're talked about manifestation.

And of course,

The law of attraction,

The law of manifestation and creation is really an interesting topic.

And by no means are we going to be able to make it crystal clear because there have been hundreds,

Thousands of people that have talked about this.

But hopefully our conversation will help the listeners just inch a little bit more towards understanding how we create our reality.

And in this one,

There's a very interesting esoteric mystical tip because they're talking about moving above the fourth dimension.

And of course,

The fourth dimension is time.

What were your first impressions of this message,

Mark?

Well,

I think when I first listened to it and first read it,

I noticed a lot of similarities between the oneness message that we talked about last week.

And the part as it related to time was one of those,

Time is one of those topics that makes me beat my head against the wall.

I just,

I don't understand it.

I'm Mr.

Linearity,

Right?

So I live everything kind of on this linear timeline.

And when shelters are mentioned,

You know,

Forget about time,

Don't let time enter into the equation.

There's a line in here.

You must be prepared to let go of the minutiae and trivialities of human life.

Well,

How do you do that?

Right?

That's my life.

It's like,

Hopefully I do when I go to sleep at night and I can get some rest.

But you know,

The minutiae and the trivialities is most of our life.

And it's kind of interesting to just sort of look around,

You know,

We eat and we go to work and we do that.

So yeah,

That's an interesting point.

Yeah.

I want to talk more about time because,

You know,

It's interesting as I reread this one and just because I'm a channeler of this wisdom doesn't mean that I've got it all figured out because as I think about time,

I find it difficult to let it go.

And so just talking about transcending time or moving above time makes me kind of nervous and tight because I can't imagine letting it go.

However,

Having said that,

I have had moments in time,

Moments in my life if I'm out on a photo shoot,

I'm a nature photographer,

If I'm watching a sunset,

If I'm taking a stroll in nature where I am not as aware of time.

The minute you say let go of time,

I kind of,

I'm holding on to it like it's a life raft.

It's like,

How can my life exist without time?

Everything is time.

And so what are your thoughts on that?

I know,

You know,

You have similar apprehensions about time.

Again,

We were chatting before about how do we fit everything into a busy day,

A busy week.

We seem to just about be a slave to time.

Right,

Right.

Yeah.

And let me tell you a little story.

Your story reminded me,

I mentioned before,

I like filmmaking.

I'm not particularly good at it yet,

But I enjoy doing it.

And I was taking a class about it.

This is going back a number of years.

And I did all the shooting and I got to the editing part.

The teacher that was teaching the class let me use his office and his computer to do the editing.

And so I went over there one day in the afternoon on a Saturday to do the editing.

And I was in the midst of moving clips around and doing sound and editing this video.

And my wife called me and said,

Where are you?

And I was like,

I'm at Marco's office at the college working on this film.

She goes,

You realize it's midnight.

And I was like,

I had no idea that eight hours had gone by that I was sitting and doing this.

I was so absorbed in it.

And there was no windows in the room I was in.

I was in an interior office.

And so talk about an experience where time didn't exist.

That was probably a very relevant experience that I had with time.

And what we were talking about earlier was this idea that you can become a slave to time when you are not consciously aware of how you are using your time,

I guess.

Right.

So the idea of making choices with your time and how you allocate it to the various things that you think are important or necessary in your life kind of takes that control back in a way and lets you be the director of the time rather than the victim of time.

Right.

I agree.

And that's looking at time in a very practical sense because we do have the reality of time.

And I love your story because you enjoyed that timeless experience of doing your editing,

But then your wife brought you back to the fourth dimension.

And it's interesting because in this message from Shaltazar,

They often refer to the fact that you go back to time.

At one point,

They say this sort of tongue in cheek saying,

In here,

You've gone back to the fourth dimension and left us standing in the eternal now because I believe that in the higher realms,

There is no time,

There is no space.

And so they live always in the eternal now.

And your wife calling you was like bringing you back to the fourth dimension as you were having above the fourth dimension experience,

Which by the way,

Probably duplicated to a certain degree what this message is all about.

You were probably enjoying it.

You were probably creating in such a way that it was quite amazing because you weren't aware of time.

So let's talk a little bit more about that experience because I think that experience is somewhat of the essence of what they were talking about.

What they're saying is that if you can forget about time,

That you can bring what it is you want to you in an easier and less effortless way.

And so that time you spent,

And I'm not sure how many hours it was,

But I'm sure you started much before midnight.

So you must have spent hours and hours doing it and letting go of time.

Can you recall the experience?

Was it fun?

Was it productive?

What was that like?

It was fabulous.

And I think it's what got me enthralled with the idea of filmmaking because when you're making a film,

You're basically creating a reality for others.

You're taking the thoughts and ideas and pictures that you see in your own mind and you're putting them out into the world for another person to have a glimpse of this reality that you've decided to create.

And yeah,

I want to say I probably was at it for about eight hours,

Maybe even a little longer and started in the afternoon and ended it in the wee hours and really had no concept of the passage of that time.

I was so involved in what was appearing on the computer screen before me and what it looked like,

What it sounded like in that creative process that everything around me stopped.

Right,

Right.

And so again,

I do believe that that experience,

And thanks for sharing it,

You probably didn't realize it when you were sharing it,

But that is to a certain degree the essence of moving above the fourth dimension and creation occurred for you in a very easy,

Easier way because you lost track of time.

And so I think what Shaltazar is encouraging us to do is to have some of these timeless moments and you will start to realize that you can bring to you what it is you desire in a much more easy and somewhat effortless day.

What I would recommend,

Because a lot of us have smartphones today and it's a lot easier,

In order to fully embrace that timelessness,

Set your alarm on your phone so that your wife doesn't have to call you at midnight.

In other words,

Set some parameters,

Give yourself as much freedom as you can,

But instead of being aware of time,

In other words,

If you were allowing yourself to do,

Say,

Six hours and you would stop doing it at 10 o'clock,

You really want to be able to take that six hours where you're not checking the clock all the time saying,

Oh,

Am I getting close to the six hours?

Oh,

I'm halfway done.

If I'm halfway done,

I don't know if I'll be able to finish.

So I think what Shaltazar,

The practical application,

What Shaltazar is saying is if you've got six hours,

Then set your timer for six hours and do not be aware of time for one iota during those six hours because any time you are going to go back to check,

How much time have I got left,

You are now going to add the restriction of time to your creation and it's going to impede your creativity and your ability.

So for argument's sake,

What am I saying?

Well,

If you knew you had six hours and all of a sudden,

You looked up and you saw a clock on the wall and you had two hours left,

But you had a whole bunch of stuff left to do,

I'm pretty sure,

I could just about guarantee you that in those two hours,

You wouldn't get it done because you had the limitation of time staring over you.

Second scenario,

You are doing the same thing,

But the second scenario,

You don't look at the clock.

So you're not aware that you have only two hours left.

You're confident that your alarm will let you know when your time is up.

Those two hours would be far more productive without being aware of only having two hours left,

Without being aware of time,

Than if you were aware of time.

Would you agree with that?

Oh,

I totally agree with that.

In fact,

Two things come to mind.

When my wife called me and broke the spell,

As it were,

I was like,

Number one,

Holy crap,

How did it get to be this late?

And holy crap again,

I've got a lot,

I'm not done.

I still have all the stuff to do.

And I'm certain that the things that I tried to do to clean up and shut down and get out of there were,

The quality of them was far worse than everything I had done up until that point.

And that what you were saying also kind of reminds me of the idea,

I've got a couple kids who are in the college age where they're taking standardized tests.

And that whole idea of a standardized test,

When you sit down and you've got three hours to do your ACT or whatever it is,

When you begin it,

You feel like you're in a kind of a zone and you're just going question to question to question.

And as soon as the practice says,

Okay,

15 minutes left,

Then panic sets in,

Right?

And you're like,

Oh my God,

I've got still 50 questions left to do.

How am I going to do this?

And then you kind of,

That becoming aware of time takes you out of your creative potential and it makes you,

It brings you out of your right brain and your left brain.

And then you start trying to strategize and plan and organize and how am I going to do this and what's going to happen?

And am I going to get to the end?

And am I going to get all these finished?

And it just disrupts the whole flow of what you're all about and trying to accomplish,

I think.

Right,

Right.

That's a perfect example.

And I think what Shaltazar is saying,

Because Shaltazar brings forth master teachings,

I don't think they are naive enough to think that we will be able to live in human form and always rise above the fourth dimension.

I think they're just tantalizing us a little bit saying,

And our conversation hopefully is helping people.

If you can take some of your time,

So to speak,

And let go of time.

If you can take some of your experiences and experience timelessness,

At least you will get a sense of moving above the fourth dimension and how productive and how much you can accomplish and how good it feels.

I experienced this,

Not only the timelessness of it,

But the freedom of it.

I would often take time when I didn't have anything on my schedule and I would just wander around the city.

I live in Toronto,

So I would buy a transit pass and I love taking photographs.

I would love to do it in the summer.

And I would just take my camera and my transit pass and wander around the city and never ever think about time.

It was really,

Really a wonderful experience because I let go of time.

I'm one of these people who used to be a slave to time,

Still am to a certain degree,

But I remember when I went on my journey of self-discovery,

One of my coaches suggested,

Take off your watch and don't wear a watch.

And of course,

After getting over the panic attack of what are you talking about,

I did.

And for probably about 15 years now,

I have not worn a watch.

I have a smartphone and good for you.

Yeah,

No watch,

Mark,

No watch.

And that's just a symbolic releasing of that stranglehold that time has on us.

So I think this message is trying to inspire us to where possible,

Let go of the restrictions,

The limitations of time and see what creating is like,

See if the creation is a bit different.

And I think that's the essence of this message is try it because it's very exhilarating.

Your experience that you shared with us in the film lab is one that I'm sure a lot of people would identify with.

So I think that's important.

They're certainly giving us the theory of in that timelessness,

If you can feel what it is you want and bring it to you,

I'm a firm believer that the universe will conspire to make that happen.

Right.

Yeah,

I agree.

Yeah.

Anything else out of that message that struck you or that you want to bring up to the listeners?

There was one other thing,

The concept of the now,

Which we were talking about and being in that now moment,

We hear a lot about that in meditation and the spiritual path is,

One of the goals is getting to the present moment and staying in the present moment and not being in the future,

Not being in the past,

Just being in the now.

The thing that was interesting about this message to me is that the goal of meditation to me has always been that neutrality,

Getting to that place of neutral and staying there.

What Shell Desire is suggesting is that there's another piece to that,

Getting to that place of neutrality.

And once you're there,

Creating in that place of now or in that place of neutrality by feeling the object of your desire as being fully formed and in your now reality to make it manifest.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's certainly fascinating.

It brings another component,

Certainly Eckhart Tolle in The Power of Now and even the less spiritual mindfulness movement is teaching us about staying in the now because it's certainly more comfortable and it's easier to be there.

But to bring your desire to you is really something that's kind of interesting.

And to feel like you have it.

And Shell Desire has talked a lot about that we create our own reality and we're creating it in the now.

And so every now moment,

Whether we are aware of it or not,

We're creating.

So this sort of slows it all down.

It removes that time thing and helps us.

It sort of puts creation under the microscope saying they want us to realize that every now you are creating,

Whether you know it or not.

There's certainly a time lag from the time that you imagine it till it occurs.

And I think that that's an important purpose.

But making us realize that every moment,

Whether we know it or not,

We are creating the next now.

Of course,

The next now might not be the next second.

It could be the next year.

It could be the next month.

But where that creation is the beginning,

The source of our future creations is in the now.

Does that make sense?

Yeah,

It totally makes sense.

Probably the wisdom that I pulled from this article is about that.

Well,

I can't believe that we have gone through so much time.

So quickly speaking of time,

You see,

If we allowed ourselves to move above the restriction of time,

We probably would be like you were in the film lab and this conversation would be about eight hours.

But in the essence of trying to be aware of that,

I'm going to have to ask us to wind down.

It's been a really fantastic conversation.

I encourage the listeners to listen to that message moving above the fourth dimension.

It is a bit esoteric.

And the idea is not to listen to it in the linearity and the logic because saying to someone,

Move above time,

They're going to say,

Well,

We don't believe in science fiction and that's really not up our alley.

It's not science fiction.

It's just an alternate reality.

It's an alternate perspective,

An alternate way of looking at things.

So thank you,

Mark,

For having this conversation.

It's been really fantastic.

And I look forward to next week and what message we will choose then.

Very good.

Yeah,

I'm excited.

I can't wait to see it pops up.

Thank you all and love and light to everyone.