Radio Awakened Podcast: Time Travel & Unconditional Love

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I'm your host,

Dr.

Mike Shapiro.

Today's show is on hope,

Unconditional love,

And time travel with Dr.

Julia Mossbridge.

I'm not sure when there was a time in human history when we as a species didn't struggle to survive and live lives of meaning and purpose.

But I do know that right now,

During the COVID pandemic and all the social and civil unrest in America,

We as a nation are in a crisis point.

What we often don't realize is that this current struggle is the human experience unfolding as it always has.

Wars,

Famines,

Natural disasters,

Civil unrest,

Uncivil unrest are just as some of the challenges we're faced in our own evolution and we will undoubtedly face in the future.

And yet here we are adapting,

Growing,

Transforming,

Not in spite of,

But because of these circumstances.

It is here in the midst of the inner and collective struggle where advances in science and technology moves us into the future,

Where new medicines are created and distributed,

And where we return our attention to the heart and soul of traditional and indigenous wisdom practices to help us cope,

Connect to the earth and ancestors,

To the spirit of life,

And even thrive during crisis.

To transform the collective,

We often need to start by transforming ourselves,

Inwardly learning to love ourselves and foster a deep sense of hope for our futures.

Today's show explores a newer science of transformation called hope technology that my guest and her team are developing out of the Institute of Love and Time or TILT.

TILT's vision reads,

We envision a world where unconditional love and time travel are embraced and integrated into being.

Say what?

It sounds straight out of a sci-fi novel.

And if I hadn't spent the last year working closely with Dr.

Mossbridge on her latest study on hope,

Unconditional love and time travel,

I might not believe it myself.

While the technology might not be ready to have us physically travel through time,

As far as I know,

We can all learn to travel in time in our hearts and minds,

Bringing love through the bridge of awareness to our most wounded and vulnerable selves in the past and connecting to our wisest and most loving future selves.

This type of mental time travel brings us inner stability,

A steady heart,

And a deep sense of hope that no matter what comes,

We will be okay.

And right now,

We need to know we will all be okay.

And there are people who are leading us right now during these times of collective transformation and my guest Julia Mossbridge is one of them.

So Dr.

Julia Mossbridge is a fellow at the Institute for Noetic Sciences,

An associated professor at the California Institute of Integral Studies,

And the executive director of the nonprofit TILT,

The Institute for Love and Time.

She is best known for her research in mental and physical time travel,

Artificial intelligence,

And consciousness.

She has rigorously researched a wide range of fascinating phenomenon,

Including precognition,

Future orientation,

Unconditional love,

And how sound influences mood and cognition.

I'm so glad to have you on the show.

Thanks for being here with me.

Welcome Julia.

Thanks Dr.

Mike.

Or do people call you Mike?

Mike's fine.

That's good.

Okay.

Okay.

Thanks.

So I'm excited to have you share a summary of where we are in the world today and my unusual take on where we need to go.

Yeah.

I am excited to have you share such kind of seemingly sci-fi thoughts and science and a new paradigm you're bringing to the world through your science of time travel and unconditional love.

I don't think most people are familiar with the concept of time travel outside of sci-fi.

Might that be a good place for us to start?

Yeah,

Absolutely.

So I break down time travel into three different types of time travel.

So in sci-fi,

We're used to combining all three types.

So the three types are physical,

Informational,

And mental.

So let's break it down.

Physical time travel would be,

Physical without the other two,

Would be you put an object in a time machine and it shows up in the past or the future.

And then it comes back and it indicates,

Like if it's a watch,

It's now either late or early,

Depending on where it's been.

So it indicates that it's been somewhere else in time.

And there's got to be other evidence for that too.

So that's physical time travel.

That's mostly what people think about time travel.

Informational time travel is getting information sort of from the wrong direction in time.

So we're used to getting information from the past,

Like when we remember something.

It's kind of like informational time travel in the sense that something happens and then later we can remember it.

But informational time travel,

The way I'm talking about it,

Is getting information from where you normally wouldn't like getting information from the future.

So that's just information.

Like if you,

Like at the beginning of the COVID pandemic,

If we got a little note from the future that said,

You know what,

It turns out wearing masks is really helpful.

So just wear a mask,

Regardless of what you hear.

That might've been useful information.

Will and then,

I'm sorry,

I just wondered,

Will people believe that,

You know,

How,

How likely is it,

Cause it's not in the paradigm of the way we operate usually to think about information coming from the future.

So how likely are people to actually know what they're getting and then believe it.

Sure.

Well,

Let's go then to mental time travel because I think where this all starts,

I've kind of mapped out what we're going to need as a culture,

I believe,

To get to the point where we will believe things like that and actually use them strategically.

And I think the first step is mental time travel.

So mental time travel is accessible to everyone right now,

And we can even do a little mental time travel exercise if you want.

And it is in fact provably relatable to hope.

So there's research on how mental time travel,

Certain mental time travel practices can help boost your sense of deep hope.

So we can do one if you'd like,

But of course I always like it.

But mental time travel is allowing your sort of model of,

Of who you are to travel in time in your imagination.

And we do this when we remember,

Oh,

I remember when I was six and I was in the garden and something happened.

We also do this when we imagine ourselves in the future.

Oh,

When I get that job,

It'll be like this,

But you can also do mental time travel with times that you don't,

When you don't know what's going to happen,

You don't have an idea of what will happen.

And maybe you're a little scared about what will happen.

Or you could do mental time travel to talk to a past self in your mind.

This is all in your mind to comfort yourself during a time that was difficult.

I think once people get used to the value that comes from connecting with themselves over time,

People will start loosening up a little bit around the idea of informational time travel and physical time travel.

And I think,

I think that's important because physicists are currently working on both informational and physical time travel,

Some physicists.

And so eventually when we get there,

We ought to be ready for that concept.

I see.

So are you,

Do you find yourself spending most of your time working on bringing concepts and the experience of mental time travel to the world,

Or are you also doing a bit of all three?

Yeah,

I'm kind of working on all three.

The one that's more public that I talk about more is the mental time travel because you don't need any special equipment.

So,

You know,

Anyone could do it.

And also it's helpful and it usually puts people in a good mood.

So what's not to love about that.

But then I spend time sort of quietly on my own researching the other things as well.

Just in case you're joining us right now,

You're listening to Radio Awaken.

I'm your host,

Dr.

Mike,

And I'm talking to Dr.

Julia Mossbridge on hope,

Unconditional love and time travel.

And we're just having a conversation about the three different types of time travel that can be studied or looked at as a concept,

Which she's saying is physical time travel,

Informational time travel,

And then mental time travel.

And so we're spending a little bit of time on the mental time travel because that's where we as a general public can really get a sense of it.

We can go backward looking at our childhood.

We can imagine our future selves.

We can create this relationship with all of our self over time.

So I guess that that's a great way of having people understand time travel before we get to the informational and the physical time travel parts.

I think I'd like later in the show to get to how mental time travel leads to hope and greater well-being.

But I'm also interested in really understanding more of the informational time travel.

And so once you have people get a sense of mental time travel,

How does that then lend itself to understanding the informational time travel?

Cool,

Let's talk about that.

Yeah.

Let's say we all believe,

Okay,

I can go back and I can go forward.

I get that concept because I do it all the time.

How then does that lend itself to understanding or playing with informational time travel?

Right.

And so once you get used to that concept,

I think the way it leads into informational time travel or learning about that in your own mind is that you're less scared.

So it is less freaky to you.

So I've noticed that one of the biggest barriers when I talk with people about my research on precognition,

Which is all about essentially intuition about future events,

They get freaked out and say,

Oh,

That's spooky or weird or what if I'm a witch or something?

These things that scare people either from a religious standpoint,

A prophecy is forbidden which,

By the way,

It isn't in any,

As far as I can tell,

And I've been studying the world's religions and it's pretty clear that prophecy is all over the place in terms of the Bible and other religious texts or from a scientific standpoint,

Oh,

It's all bunk.

It's all coincidence.

Those are the two directions that people tend to go.

And once you have the experience of connecting with yourself over time,

You're more likely to be able to take seriously the idea that,

Well,

If I can connect with my future self,

Even if it's just a model in my mind of my future self,

Maybe there's a way in which that self kind of does exist and can pass me information that might be useful.

There's certainly plenty of scientific evidence for that.

However,

I've noticed that scientific evidence doesn't really convince anybody.

So what I really have spent a lot of time doing is helping people get to where they're not scared by that,

Because I think that's a better approach to really demonstrate this.

Yeah,

Yeah.

And a quick side note,

If information alone would change people's minds,

Then everybody would stop smoking at this point.

You'd be like,

Oh,

It's very clear smoking can kill me,

It hurts my body,

I'm done.

Information alone doesn't change minds.

There's a lot more that's needed,

Of course.

Something you said,

And it might be a little tangent,

But it really got me interested and excited for a sec,

Is you said prophecies all over the world,

And it's been throughout human history.

And I think it may be a natural gift.

I think these abilities,

Precognition and intuition,

May be natural gifts of humans.

And yet we get scared or we deny.

So I just wonder if you could speak for a moment,

Because this show is really about expanded human potential.

And even though you just said it very quickly,

Oh,

In all worlds,

Religions,

There's evidence of prophecy,

And yet so many of us deny it or become scared by those gifts.

But how do we actually embrace the potential or possibility that we're all able to do stuff like that?

I do think it's a natural gift.

I think we live in this culture that I think in about 20 years,

Maybe even 10 years,

We'll look back and say,

Oh,

That's what we lived in the culture where we would pretend that that wasn't real.

We would discourage our kids and tell them it wasn't scientific.

But thank God we got through that because it's extremely useful.

I sort of see it as we live in this culture.

Imagine living in a culture where people said,

Look,

Music doesn't exist.

You might think you could hum a song,

But that's just you moving your lips and your mouth and breathing in a certain way.

There's really no such thing as music.

And then someone might be born with the talent of a wonderful opera singer,

But they're discouraged.

Like,

That sounds like music,

But trust me,

It's really not.

And so I think that does a lot towards convincing people that this kind of music,

This intuition,

This experience of getting information from the future,

That that doesn't exist.

And that does a disservice to people because I do think it's very clear that it's a human potential.

It doesn't mean it's equally distributed in the population,

Just like musical talent is not equally distributed.

But it does mean that you could probably teach most people,

You know,

How to sing a song.

Do you encourage that in your work?

Is this a core,

Since it sounds like a core belief of yours and as a scientist,

You're studying it,

Do you,

Or how do you encourage this in the world and why would you?

Well,

I have decided to forgo the path of getting a 10 year track job at an academic institution.

So that I could talk to people about this publicly.

So there are actually plenty of scientific researchers who are studying precognition and intuition,

But they know it's controversial and they're keeping very quiet about it.

I took the other route.

I said,

You know,

As far as I know,

I'm only currently aware of this one life.

And so I feel like to me,

It is important to talk about this as if it's not taboo,

As if it's not some kind of spooky thing that has to be kept in the closet and to come out of the closet and say,

Look,

There's scientific evidence for this.

This is happening.

This is human potential.

It's our birthright.

And I will train,

I now,

Now that I have been trained in some forms of very,

Very technically involved,

But very compelling methods of precognition,

Such as precognitive remote viewing,

Which has a ton of scientific data to support it.

I now train other people sometimes to do it,

Although this year I'm taking a year off to get more advanced training.

But it's,

There's plenty of people who do that kind of training and you can get,

You can get good training from someone who resonates with you with no problem.

And so just generally speaking,

Or very,

An introduction,

How do you study this?

How does one actually measure precognition or intuition in a way that's scientifically sound?

Right.

So the garden variety intuition is sort of the big umbrella term.

So that can include things like you just happen to have a really good subconscious awareness of the world around you that feeds up into your consciousness every so often to give you information that other people might not be aware of.

But that can include precognitive information.

So that's information that you can't get in the current moment,

No matter how hard you tried.

It is information that has to come from the future.

And so the way you test that particular thing,

Precognition,

Is you use an experiment.

You have to kind of do it in the lab.

You can get examples of it.

You know,

People have dreams of future events and things that are very detailed.

And that's,

Those are examples of potential precognition,

But really verifying it has to be done with laboratory experiments.

Because what you need to do is have people do something like choose something or hook up their body to some physiology equipment.

So like their breath or their heart rate is being monitored or their brain.

And then use a random number generator that's totally random to pick something in the future after the measurements have been taken.

You see what I mean?

So you're always in the experiment,

You're always correlating something that happened in the past with something that happens randomly in the future.

And if there's this consistent correlation,

For instance,

In a series of experiments that I studied called pre-sentiment experiments,

I think you had Dean Radin on,

I think.

Yes,

He's been on the show.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He's one of the first folks who did those experiments,

But others have done it since and as,

As I have been many others.

And that series of experiments,

People's physiology predicted the random decision of software when the decision was about whether to show an emotional image versus a neutral image.

Right?

I've read that.

Yes.

Yeah.

And so it's like,

We are,

Our bodies are preparing for the future.

They don't necessarily let our conscious awareness know.

It's like if you were walking in the jungle and there was a saber tooth tiger about to jump out at you,

Would you rather know consciously there's going to be a saber tooth tiger or would you rather your body get adrenaline going and get ready to run and not actually tell you consciously,

I actually would prefer the second because if I had to think about it,

I'd freak out.

Right.

Yeah.

That that's really interesting.

So you're saying that the body somehow senses what's coming and when you have random pictures coming where they have no idea what's coming and one of the pictures that randomly shows up is an emotionally kind of instigative picture.

One that triggers some kind of emotional response.

You're saying the body knows it before it's coming on.

Yeah.

On average.

On average.

So yeah,

These aren't even super skilled people.

These are just on average and they are not aware that they're having this experience.

This is all physiology.

Yeah.

It's sub perceptible,

Right?

It's the skin sweat.

It's the breath change,

Heart rate change that's happening.

And I'm guessing there are some people who I'm wondering like yogis who are very tuned into their bodies.

Responses may in fact have bigger or more aware sense of themselves as their bodies are reacting to something coming.

Well,

In fact,

Serena Rony Dougal who studies Tibetan Buddhist meditation also did some experiments with precognition and found in fact that there was a correlation between the number of hours of meditation and the ability to be consciously aware of future information.

So basically if you want to access,

I mean,

Based on her results,

If you want to access your own mental time travel and have it move into informational time travel,

Meditate.

Great.

Wow.

I just used that time to think about what you said.

My mind's blown a little bit.

I hope our listeners are excited and confused and wanting to know more.

Really curious is the word I hope that this conversation is leaving them with.

A sense of curiosity about these really special skills we have as human beings that are often denied or not talked about or seen as not possible.

And you're saying that you're doing work in the laboratory that's showing actually the opposite and most of us actually probably do have experiences of intuition,

Precognition,

Messages from the future coming to us.

And it sounds like there's a way to develop this within ourselves.

I would wonder if we can shift for like the last part of our talk today on how does mental time travel bolster our sense of hope and our sense that leads to wellbeing.

I think that'd be a great place.

We got to tie in unconditional love too.

So tell me about it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's good.

Ready?

Yeah.

Okay.

So the question is,

Sorry,

I just need a question because I can't.

Oh,

You need a question.

Yeah.

That gets me going.

Oh my gosh.

Well,

What's unconditional love and how does that relate to time travel and hope?

Yeah.

Good question.

So unconditional love is like saying,

It's like you're saying to the universe,

Whatever there is,

I love that.

That seems like a large task.

So many of us struggle with anxieties,

Worries,

Depression,

Fear.

We've been hurt by others.

We've hurt others.

There's so much.

And you're suggesting you love it all?

Yeah,

I'm not suggesting it's easy.

I'm suggesting that that's what unconditional love is.

And the reason why unconditional love is a big deal is because it's not that common and it's not so easy.

And we can start by unconditionally loving just one thing,

Right?

Just like a little pinprick of unconditional love.

And I'd like to start with just some part of my body I can see to make it really physical.

Like I really love my feet.

I don't,

I don't find anything wrong with my feet.

You know,

I'm not critical of my feet.

There's other parts of my body I'm really critical of,

But I really love my feet.

So unconditional love for my feet is my starting place.

And then I can start to grow that,

You know,

To start to encompass not only my feet,

The insides of my feet,

And then the ground that my feet walk on,

As well as the area,

The air around my feet,

As well as the feelings inside of my legs,

The feeling inside of my body,

And the feeling inside of my body could be pain.

Right?

And so there's this thing that happens when you unconditionally love pain,

Where you can still feel the pain like pain is important to feel because it's a signal that something's wrong,

Right?

So you can still feel the pain,

But it's not suffering.

Right?

It's different.

That's great.

Yeah.

Because I think unconditional love saying,

Here's everything in the world in the universe,

And I love it.

I love all that is that starting that with yourself.

It's like,

It's relaxing,

Because what you're saying is,

You know,

You're just accepting it.

You're just saying like,

This is what's true.

I am in pain.

And it's not that it should be some other way.

And so unconditional love is really this deep form of acceptance and what that seems to do with time to how the heck does that relate to time travel?

That's so deep,

Just what you shared.

And if we only take that home,

That it's so hard to love the wounded parts of us or the parts we don't like or the parts that have been hurt.

And that's what I do as a therapist.

I'm helping people do that as well.

Full acceptance,

Radical inclusion,

But even just starting small with some part of you that you can unconditionally love and grow that as a practice to becoming so that unconditional love grows beyond that one small part.

And now,

You know,

The model for how to practice that is incredibly healing.

Just doing that is incredibly healing.

I am excited to hear how it relates to time travel and hope.

But just that alone is a beautiful message of healing and that we can practice that.

Absolutely.

And I would say the number one thing that people try to do as they practice that,

That I would caution against,

Is they try to enlarge that circle of unconditional love too quickly to other people.

And if you can just work on it around yourself for a while and so you feel confident in it,

It will naturally open up to other people.

Again,

You know,

That in itself might be the most important message of today's show.

We're not going to get to cover everything,

Actually.

There's just not enough time.

Even if I had you back for another hour and a half,

We wouldn't cover all of this.

So maybe this just leaves our listeners with enough of hope just hearing this,

That it's possible to start practicing.

That maybe we'll just end our show here today and we'll have you back another time to continue looking at hope,

Unconditional love,

And time travel.

Would that work for you?

It sounds great.

And I just think if people practice this,

They themselves will feel how it relates to hope and time travel.

It will become obvious.

That's a great message.

Where can people find you?

Let's see on Insight Timer.

I do a hope workout every other Wednesday,

So you can find me there.

That's a live thing.

And then they can also just always find me at loveandtime.

Org.

That's my website for the Institute for Love and Time.

We have a whole group of people who are working hard together there,

Including this really amazing meditation researcher and therapist,

Dr.

Mike Sapero.

Thank you for that.

I'll make sure everyone has a link to your work.

Thank you so much for bringing such heart and soul to science and to the world.

I really appreciate what you're doing.

Thanks a lot,

Julia.

Thanks,

Mike.

Just think about your own potential,

The things you might experience but deny,

How you can practice unconditional love for just a small part of yourself and what that might mean for your own healing and growth.

What would it take for you to start practicing what Julie was sharing today?

I really hope you've enjoyed the show.

Music is Lucky 13 by Jeff Coffin and the Mutet.

And just a reminder that this is your life to live.

So dare to dream and live big and become who you're meant to be.

This is Radio Awakened,

Produced at KRBX in Boise,

Idaho.

And I'm Dr.

Mike.