Healing & Working With The Subconscious | In Conversation With Keith Parker & Derek Smith

Hello to everyone who is listening to this.

This is an in conversation.

My name is Keith Parker and I am with Derek Smith.

And we are going today to talk about working through healing the subconscious,

Working with the subconscious.

And so I run an energy healing modality called Field Dynamics.

I'm a co-founder and Derek,

Who I've known for a number of years,

Works out of a multimodality space in Catskill,

New York.

And we're gonna find out a lot more about what he does.

So what we'll do today is talk about working with the subconscious.

We'll try and understand like,

What do we mean when we say healing with the subconscious?

You'll often hear there's conscious,

Subconscious,

Unconscious.

There's a lot of ways to access that.

And why is it that it's interesting or useful to do so?

So let me hand it over to you,

Derek,

And tell us a little bit about yourself.

Thanks,

Keith.

Hey,

Everyone.

So I'm a certified clinical hypnotherapist.

Predominantly the skeletal structure I use with that is alchemical hypnotherapy.

But I also do tarot and astrological consultations.

I have a business constellation in Catskill,

New York.

Like Keith said,

Multimodality.

I sell artwork out of here and I run my practice out of here.

And it's just opened at the end of August with this brick and mortar.

So it's been an experience of seeing people come in and working through the environmental conditions.

But I've been doing tarot and astrological consultations for the last 11 years now,

And the hypnosis for the last six.

And it's kind of come into the practice as kind of coalesced into something that all works together where I'm essentially helping people as almost a tour guide to where they're supposed to look.

And I mean,

I'm sure we'll go into depth about it,

But I work essentially one foot in one door and one in the other,

The subconscious and the conscious mind.

And I find that tarot,

Astrology and hypnosis all play a part in that practice,

But you can access things,

They're more accessible.

And it just depends on what it is that the client is coming to me.

And clients come with every,

I mean,

It's never the same,

Never two clients,

What they're coming.

I don't specialize in smoking cessation or something like that.

It's more soul-based work that is essentially looking at each individual from the posture that this human existence is a school and that that's based on lessons.

And each individual has their specific lessons.

And if we look there,

If we bring conscious energy there,

It at the very least moves things.

And I access that through symbols in the tarot,

In astrology and like I said,

Hypnosis.

Right,

Okay,

Nice.

Yeah,

And you're mentioning soul,

Kind of soul level work.

Soul to me,

Usually I get a sense of like purpose,

Deep meaning,

Heart,

That which is authentic to a person.

And so I've experienced working with Derek before and I must say,

Derek is very,

Very talented at what he does.

And we're working across purposes,

Finding different angles,

Different ways to access the same thing.

So with field dynamics,

With the energy healing modality,

What I do one-on-one with people and what I also train people in and what we specialize in is basically learning how to access higher consciousness,

A component you might say of the subconscious or what we're normally not aware of in our waking state and learning how to utilize that intelligence and the potency of that to create change.

So it's gonna be really interesting,

Derek,

That we kind of touch upon like the ways in which we go fishing beneath the surface.

And I think that kind of that visual of the idea of kind of the fishermen above the water,

Going fishing,

The object is,

Can I get something to eat?

Can I get something nourishing to myself?

How do I do that?

I have to throw a line that goes beneath where I can see and kind of bait it,

Right?

Absolutely,

Yeah.

And that's kind of like that tour guide mentality for me of just like helping people get one foot in one door and one in the other,

Or taking them on that boat to go fishing.

The idea is to get that subconscious content to come into conscious view in a meaningful way.

Meaning is the currency with what I do.

It can be the most simple symbol or narrative and unlock so much for somebody if there's enough meaning attached to it.

So it's like,

Let's go fishing.

Let's find out what it is for your guidance,

Your inner guidance,

Which knows infinitely more than I'm going to about you.

Let's get in touch with it.

Let's see what it is that you're supposed to be concentrating on right now in the present moment.

Yeah,

It's hard.

It's impossible to apply anything universally to people,

Which is why I gravitate to the one-on-one lessons.

And it's very verbal,

Intellectual on my part.

And that's why I'm fascinated with what you do with this subtle energy work.

And I'm excited to learn even more about what you're doing with how that relates to the unconscious.

Right,

Okay.

And so it's taking this analogy a step further.

Stay with it,

I think it's great.

Like we were getting at the soul,

To refer to soul,

The connection regardless of how esoteric or straightforward you get with it is something about finding purpose and meaning that's in alignment with a sense of fulfillment,

But something that has resonance,

You might say.

Yeah.

And so interestingly,

There's way more in the deep,

There's way more unknown in the ocean than there is that we can see on the surface.

And working with the subconscious and working in that space,

Working across that space from one side to the other,

You learn pretty quickly just how powerful all of that unknown is,

Just how much drive,

How much pull that exerts on a person's life.

That if you don't stay in touch with your deeper self to the best that you can,

You will go astray,

Right?

Absolutely,

There's a direct relationship there that almost to me sets down a framework,

A formula.

When I look at astrological charts,

I'm looking at the potential of an individual to grow into a structure that points them in the direction of where their quote unquote soul should be learning,

Looking for and learning lessons in this lifetime.

So meaning there's a direct relationship with somebody being magnetized or magnetizing certain experience,

No matter how difficult or joyous it is,

Because that's the area that they're supposed to be in.

And you have to have conscious assimilation of that lesson in order for it to be complete,

To come to fulfillment.

And so it's diving in deep and coming back,

Looking and not fighting necessarily what the structure is and ultimately understanding self-realization,

Who you are as an individual.

In my practice is the most important thing,

Because I think that's a posture that I take and with the subconscious mind that your guidance,

Your higher self,

The inner aspects of yourself,

Know what you're supposed to be learning in this lifetime.

And so to ask that guidance,

Like,

Where do we look without robbing an individual of the experience of the lesson,

It's like imperative to everything I do.

And it is a vast ocean and it holds hope and possibility,

And it holds immense meaning.

And there is a direct relationship to that and being assimilated into like just everyday consciousness and waking consciousness.

And yeah,

So what is it then on these trips into the ocean here,

Into this vast darkness,

Dark ocean,

What is it that you enjoy most about that kind of deep work,

That unconscious work and going fishing,

So to say?

Well,

I immediately think of two things.

So firstly,

I have this resonance inside of me,

This sense of joy and deep connectedness and purposefulness when I'm in the space of doing healing work and transformation work with other people,

Whether that be casual with a friend,

With a family member,

Or specifically with clients or with training groups,

There's something in me that acknowledges that the reason that the interaction is taking place,

That we're being conscious about,

To acknowledge that as something that serves the soul level,

That purpose level,

That choice to follow the joy and the pain,

The choice to go through what's required to go through in order to get more into one's center and more into one's depth.

I have this thing that what it does is it just fills me up tremendously and it gives me a sensation of a feeling in the heart that's somewhat indescribable.

I would say it's joy,

But it's not even positive.

It's actually so,

It emanates equally in all directions at once such that it feels both the polarity of positive and negative simultaneously.

It just has depth,

That's pure depth.

And so that's a component that I love.

And in the training that we're doing right now,

We have a great group going through the training.

That connection is felt by everyone because of what happens when you're in a group field and when there's a lot of people doing that kind of work together at the same time,

What happens is you get an amplification of what's happening in the group field.

But my kind of my wheelhouse,

My specialty,

Has really developed through my foundational practices in meditation.

And so that I think is what's really important for people who are listening to this to understand around depth healing,

What it makes something a depth modality.

So for instance,

There's hypnosis as you do,

Or working with forms of divination like the Tarot.

They work with depth,

They work with the consciousness behind the waking consciousness,

So to speak,

Right?

Yeah.

And things like Jungian psychology and dream work also do this,

Different forms of shamanism work this way.

But in a sense,

Meditation,

Just strict meditation,

Actually is a very,

Very simplistic practice and a very essential practice,

You might say,

To penetrating into the depth of oneself and one's consciousness just quite directly by working with the present moment in and of itself,

Learning to stabilize your attention in the present moment and then having it actually anchor there and stay there so that your perception,

Your awareness of what's happening in the space of the mind,

And your awareness of what's happening in the feelings and the body are all synchronized and all available for you to track and to be with and to act from.

And so I spend a lot of years doing really boring meditation,

Watching my breath,

Looking at my nose,

Going to a lot of meditation retreats,

And deepening into these states,

These traditional states called the jhana states or the samadhi states.

And I had this intense yearning to explore them.

And part of it was because they're very altered states initially.

They're essentially in a way,

They're moving to different levels or different domains of the subconscious.

It's a way of thinking about it.

And so this comes up in a sense,

In a sense,

You could say that the subconscious or the mind has the conscious and the subconscious,

And there are levels.

And when we talk about chakras,

And when we talk about the multi-dimensional energy field of a person,

We're really talking about the levels of the mind and the depths of the subconscious in a way.

Now,

This is a more contemporary and integrative understanding of what's happening between,

Whether it be brainwave science or traditional meditation states like the jhanas and the samadhis,

As I'm mentioning,

Or the kind of the new age and or still ancient aspects of our energy anatomy called the chakras.

They're all talking about different,

The same thing from different angles.

And that is that we're experiencing ourselves,

Our mind is actually comprised of a lot of levels.

And so when we're talking about depth healing and modalities that work with the subconscious,

We're talking about accessing these other levels of the mind.

And so my specialization was basically learning to penetrate that through meditation initially and developing the samadhi states and developing these jhanas and stabilizing in them.

And I was really,

Really intrigued and interested by them.

And then what happened as a result of that is I started to actually see the structures of them,

Which was something I had never planned,

Something that I had not even,

I didn't really think was possible,

Actually.

I was very skeptical of the kinds of seeing abilities that I have now,

But basically actually seeing that these levels,

These dimensions of mind exist.

And so that's my other favorite thing to do is basically to sit in depth,

To sit,

Whether you wanna call it the emptiness of the Buddha or the fullness or the radiance of the white light of people who wanna focus on the idea of fullness,

Fullness,

But it's that totality,

That kind of that completeness,

That state of kind of pure being,

You might say,

That all of these other levels,

All of the subconscious is kind of stacked or built around or kind of inside of or nested within.

It's hard to explain to some degree,

Whether it be in language or through metaphor,

Because it's actually paradoxical.

The heart of it is that it doesn't make sense because it actually isn't particularly rational.

It's actually where rationality goes out the door and we get to where there's,

In a sense,

Even beyond rationality or even beyond irrationality either,

It's profound balance,

Right?

Yeah,

Absolutely.

And so obviously,

To reach that is something experiential.

And is there a moment when,

What made you want to take that experience and as difficult as it is to translate it and involve other people and to teach it or to try to communicate that to other people when you're in that state and that level of depth?

Why wouldn't you just keep going individually and how does that relate?

Okay,

Well,

Okay.

I was really selfish about my inquiry.

I had no interest in doing any healing work or really involving other people very much.

I was initially just,

I had about a decade ago,

I had a burning question,

Which was,

Why am I so unhappy despite having all of the appendages,

All of the lifestyle and the kind of the goals and ambitions I had set up for myself fulfilled?

And I just was totally discontent.

And perpetually deeply,

Something felt just wrong.

So I started meditating just to look at myself.

And over the course of a number of years,

What started happening is I went from meditation and yoga practices,

And I started to teach yoga and meditation to other people.

And then when I got to kind of the edges of where that was taking me,

Where that was kind of moving forward at the pace that I felt like vitalized by,

I started looking into healing modalities.

And in particular,

I got into body work because I knew there was a body and I could put my hands on it and there it was.

No,

Really,

I mean,

I'm like a really,

Really skeptical person when it comes to these things.

I was a very,

I still am very scientifically aligned,

But I was very much like cynical and aggressive even towards the idea of spirituality and stuff.

I didn't really know what to make of it.

And so all along the way,

What seemed to happen is my soul growth,

If you will,

Was to keep getting put into the interface to the surface of what belief system,

What limiting orientation that I had was to be my healing and my learning so that my own belief structure and my own sense of self could continue to expand.

And so I started doing hands-on work with people and I started feeling energy.

I started having a lot of empathetic experiences where I had my hands in somebody,

Particularly in craniosacral work,

Which I specialized in.

And I started to feel emotional changes in them very clearly,

And that was surprising to me.

And then I started seeing the energy field around them and I kept going down this rabbit hole.

And in particular,

There was a point where I realized through doing some extreme breath work practices and doing body work for about a year at that point,

I found out that,

Whoa,

The thing that's common to all of these things,

Including the Samadhi states,

Which I had already developed a good amount in,

The commonality to all of them was that it was stepping beyond my waking state normal consciousness.

That was what was happening.

And every time I crossed the boundary from what I knew to what I didn't know,

The profound,

The strong and the transformative things came with so much more force than anything that I could actually chew on consciously that I realized I just wanna go into deep depth.

And so experientially,

Like you're asking me,

It built up to a series of things.

And in particular,

Working with biodynamic craniosacral work which is teaching me to track certain fluctuations of the nervous system,

Certain fluctuations of tracking how the body connects to the energy field and kind of breathes,

They call it the primary respiration.

And when I got really good at that,

Which I did over the course of a few months of really honing it,

What it did is it helped to trigger what I had prepared my body and my mind for with years of practice,

It helped to trigger some kind of transformation in my Kundalini system.

And so a lot of people talk about Kundalini awakening stuff and these kinds of changes in the Kundalini.

But basically what happened in the course of just one night was I went through that classical thing you can read about from thousands of sources where my coccyx started to burn and this intense electrical fire energy moved through my core,

My central channel and I started to see lights flying around my body.

And basically when I woke up the next morning,

I could just feel all of the energy meridians from Chinese medicine.

I could see my chakras,

I could see the energy field around my body.

And that was the beginning.

It was a transition about halfway into the last decade where I went from trying to get to the subconscious,

You might say,

Touching the surface of the water constantly and noticing how amazing it was to get underneath the surface.

And that breakthrough made it so that I actually could just not have there be a distinction so much between what was underneath the surface and what was above it.

And so that's what essentially I'm doing as a facilitator and doing the training work,

We're doing one-on-one with people is essentially I'm sitting in that depth that isn't my personality,

Right?

Or it's what's the core of what we mean when we say a depth modality or the deepest subconscious,

If you wanna say,

Or you might say the super consciousness is a way that people even talk about it,

Which is source or spirit,

Which is the thing that doesn't have a personality assigned to it and is the thing that actually is the same in all of us,

It's universal in all of us.

And so I've gotten pretty good at anchoring in that space.

And that's my favorite place to be.

I mean,

We're never not there.

Again,

That's like the funny paradox of it.

It's not like I have that and you don't have that or anybody listening to this doesn't have that.

But the healing process and the meditation,

The meditator's journey,

If you will,

Is actually just making that transparent,

Is making that fluid and transparent in your own body-mind system so that that source aspect is just,

It's just kind of there.

It's not something that you question on the one hand.

And it's also something that has a flow through from a structural level.

It's that your actual energy field opens up to having that source energy being rather transparent again.

That's a really good way of saying it.

I think of it as transparent.

The Buddha,

If you're interested in Buddhism,

For those who are listening or whatever,

They talked a lot about emptiness.

And there's a reason why that term emptiness is there is because it's actually just empty space.

It's the void or the vacuum in science.

It's the same thing.

It's a space of infinite potential.

Yeah,

It strikes me again,

Like you going into that space as an individual and kind of sitting in there and almost being something more accessible to somebody who comes to you.

And they wanna learn from you.

They wanna get this training to talk about something like you said,

That's very difficult to communicate on a rational level.

You kind of just have to be it in front of them.

One of my questions for you would be someone who comes to you that has very limited experience in this,

Right?

And so there may be something in them.

They're not even quite sure why they're curious.

They want to go there.

They read something that you've written or they're listening to this and they say,

You know what?

I feel a sense of meaning.

I'm attracted.

I'm magnetized to understanding this in myself.

How do you approach that when someone,

Maybe everything you just said went over their head in some way?

How do you approach that where you bring them into this realm in the sense of like being in there yourself and having them observe what's like the first step in order to communicate what you're talking about?

Right,

Okay.

Well,

So this is a good question.

This is the challenge that's been brought up particularly with the training,

For instance.

So we're currently,

Christabel and I,

She's the other founder of Field Dynamics,

We're facilitating this training for a group of people.

It's our first time through the training and it's going really,

Really well.

We're halfway through.

And it's like everybody's coming from different backgrounds.

We have doctors,

We have psychologists,

We have coaches,

We have spiritual seekers,

We have people who are kind of energy-sensitives who are like gone around.

They notice they have empathic abilities and that energy is a big word and topic for them.

So we have people coming from all kinds of different backgrounds and yet how do we connect to the same place,

Right?

And emphasis on the present moment is what everything is anchored in.

And that doesn't have to be esoteric.

That's very,

Very simple.

And everybody seems to be able to ground in that immediately which is everything's happening here and now only,

Right?

Again,

There's that weirdness where I'm talking about these things that yes,

Can get off into esoteric or topics that can be not only over one's head in a sense,

But just not of their interest,

Really not of their interest.

So interestingly,

That paradoxical space of the center is also reflected in the present,

Which is that it's always now.

So it's the eternal now.

So it seems like now is something that's here now,

Like you can capture it and take a picture of it,

But actually it's eternal,

It's only now.

So angering in the now,

Emphasizing the now is the commonality of connecting to a person immediately as to that importance.

And I think everybody who comes to healing work or looking for transformation,

They know that being in the moment is the thing,

Right?

So that's where things kind of get started.

And from there,

It's about building kind of the big frameworks that really help to deepen one into themselves and continue to trust the support that they have,

Right?

That the guidance that's there.

So you brought one up earlier that's a really big framework,

I think,

That's very,

Very useful that can be pivotal for people.

And that is your life is happening to you because you have an opportunity to live it,

Because there is a,

If you will,

A design of sorts that if you follow the path,

If you follow the resonance,

If you follow your soul guidance,

You follow your passion,

Authentic passion,

Then what happens is you become more enriched because life is actually happening because this is for your learning.

Everyone is here to learn and grow,

Not to wither and become rigid.

So- Yeah,

Absolutely.

If there's one thing over the years that has never changed,

Shifted direction,

It is lessons learning.

In some way,

This is a school.

I mean,

Every single client,

Every single instance keeps pointing in that direction.

And taking that posture is really humbling too,

As a practitioner going in.

And I work with people,

Sometimes it's like peeling those layers away is they're expecting some fantastic experience of hypnosis,

Right?

I try to tell them it's very subtle and my style is alert trance,

Right?

And so I like doing alert trance because I want the person to be able to communicate their experience so I know what they're going through and I can help to guide them into their own inner guidance.

And sometimes it's 45 minutes of just their interaction with attempting to be in the present moment,

Right?

And I try to emphasize that at the beginning in the interview process of being like,

I'm not egoically attached to the outcome of this necessarily.

This is about whatever you need to be experiencing here and what you might need to be experiencing is the most like primitive experience of getting in contact with that present moment and wherever that is and peeling those layers off.

Others are down the stairs through the door and already talking to guides when I'm like,

Still bringing them,

Still in the induction phase.

So it's interesting how each individual kind of where they're at and I've had sessions where it'll be an hour and a half of peeling those layers and at the very end,

Just for the slightest moment,

Some sort of narrative guidance slips in where they'll,

A symbolic gesture like finding a key and opening a treasure chest from when they were a child and that was all they needed in the entire two hour session.

And so I think there's a lot of depth there to go back to it,

A lot of depth,

Even when someone is working right at the surface of trying to get in their own relative depth of their subconscious,

You just,

There's such deep stuff that can come up into the simplest symbol in the shortest period of time.

And it's interesting because it's so different because you're teaching people these tools also of like really those complicated structures and going very deep within the moment experientially through the meditation and whatnot.

And so it's always interesting to me,

It's fascinating.

And what would you say then,

I know you've touched on it,

But when someone comes in to you,

Say on a one-on-one session,

Do you have them establish goals before the session?

Is there something that you kind of interview them with and kind of figure out where are these people at?

What is it they want to accomplish during the session?

Yeah,

So I usually do,

It's like a two-prong method if I'm doing something one-on-one with a person.

Firstly,

Of course,

There's gonna be some initial conversation about what are their goals?

What is it that they would like to work on consciously?

And the back and forth and the dialogue will help to kind of tease that out and to kind of either target,

Clarify,

Or kind of to figure out what it is that we might choose to work on.

Now at the same time,

I also employ my sensing skills and noticing what I'm feeling structurally in their field,

What I'm seeing,

Any other information that's coming through subtle perception,

And I'll add that.

And sometimes I'll talk to them about that.

Other times that's just what comes up during the session itself.

And so interestingly,

You're talking a lot,

I know the way you work is through symbolism,

Like you said,

And kind of the narratives also that can unfold in that kind of the way in which that the subconscious can communicate to the conscious mind.

And so obviously we're really familiar with this in dreams,

Which is a form in which the subconscious is communicating with the conscious mind.

And a lot of people are also familiar with it in Shimano traditions,

Where the idea of Shimano journeying is an archetypal or symbolic kind of journeying,

Right?

So interestingly,

What happens though in energy work is we're not trying to create a story or start with a story,

But what often does happen is as a person is running energy,

What happens is often a narrative or a story starts to come forward.

Now that might be lived memory.

It might be,

Oh,

This event that happened five years ago when I got hurt really bad by that person,

Those feelings and those memories might arise and they might have,

And likely do have a bodily association and a feeling tone to them.

But then also sometimes some people's minds seem to work very archetypally.

So they'll start having a rich imagery that is very symbolic in nature.

And so isn't it interesting that whether you elicit it by choice or not,

That the subconscious,

We could say that it's primary,

Maybe it might be fair to say that its primary way of communicating to the conscious mind is through this archetypal symbolic language.

Absolutely.

And I certainly use that as a factor when some people come out of hypnosis and they question the depth level.

And all I have to say is,

Did you consciously come up with that narrative that somehow when you lived out that narrative on this level here,

That that addressed exactly what you questioned or exactly what you needed?

And they're like,

No.

And I'll be like,

So what did?

What came up with the perfect narrative for you?

And at the very least,

No matter what the religious background is,

The belief system,

It's mysterious,

It's magical that working within these narratives,

It anchors it in for people.

It's very clear,

They get it and they start to see their dreams differently.

Like you said,

There is a communication taking place and the communication takes place through these narratives.

And it's pretty profound to see it over and over again in all types of people and in all circumstances.

And that is also,

It's interesting,

Your role that you play as someone,

I personally don't see overtly like you do,

Right?

Something might come up like you were saying and I always wonder when you then become,

You almost have these symbols that might arise as somebody's running their energy and something comes up and you see it.

What is your responsibility then to decipher this symbolism or to how do you present that to them?

I know you said that sometimes it'll naturally come up within the session,

But I'm always so curious,

If you're the conduit or if that's just an observation for you,

How do you kind of decipher when you're offering that symbolism back to them when you're translating it or telling them about it?

You're asking when I noticed?

Yeah,

Like say something comes up and you see something.

When you were talking,

It was interesting to me,

Sometimes maybe you don't tell them what you see,

Maybe that's just for you and it might be difficult sometimes to decipher between whether or not that's something that should be communicated to the person you're working with or whether or not that's something to kind of hold tight to the chest for you.

I've had quite a range of success and failure experimenting with how appropriate it is to share what is seen with other people.

Now,

I wanna keep the bigger picture for me is that my general skillset is that I do not see a lot of imagery or symbolism regarding when I work with other people or when I work with myself and that's a very,

Very big and long conversation as to why I believe that's the case,

But it's a very,

Very short answer and I'll move on to the second part of the question,

Which is that I believe that what we generally call the astral plane,

Which in multidimensional anatomy is the fourth dimensional body,

So to speak,

That that plane is the interface in which thoughts are things and things are thoughts in equilibrium and that is the membrane,

If you will,

That the deep mind,

The subconscious mind and the higher dimensions are communicating across the threshold of the median boundary,

The astral plane,

Across the conscious mind.

So when people are rich with all the symbolism,

I believe in a sense,

It's a communication mechanism between those higher dimensions down to the lower dimensions,

So to speak,

Where we're conscious and the astral plane is the medium,

The translation medium,

Okay?

My seeing and when somebody sees multidimensional light geometry in a field,

That's happening in the higher dimensions,

That's actually more of what you might call non-local structure,

It's actually geometric,

The geometric underpinnings of how information is encoded in your light body and I'll stop there,

Okay?

Yeah,

Absolutely fascinating and.

.

.

It's like,

That's a different,

That's a whole other talk they could have,

But specific to what you said,

Asked,

What I generally do is I'm holding the space,

I'm holding the actual spin field and the coherency field of the shared field with myself and another or myself in the group field and because of that opening that I talked about earlier,

Which is not personal,

But is rather a connection into that which is universal amongst all of us,

What that actually does is it has an infinite suckage,

If you will,

Okay?

It has like,

Imagine dropping a ball off of an infinitely tall building,

The ball just drops with no resistance forever,

Right?

That's what that center point is,

Is that it doesn't have a bottom.

So if that's very clear in your system and a bunch of other people plug into it,

What happens is,

Is your field spins and their field spins and the literally the speed of the spinning because the higher frequencies and the higher dimensions are spinning faster,

What happens is that the faster you spin something,

Just like if you had a bunch of food in a bowl,

The food would just shoot off to the side of the bowl and if it was even strong enough,

The food would start flying out the bowl,

Right?

So the same thing happens in working with people,

That's my core skill is that I'm just sitting in presence and I'm just watching the energy field and helping to steer the energy field and then what that does is it becomes a super accelerator for other people's energy fields and for the junk that's stuck in it to kind of fly off a lot faster than it might if they're sitting by themselves.

So regarding symbolism,

I don't work a lot with symbolism because I'm actually like not,

I'm generally focused on the realm that's technically I think not symbolic but actually literal,

It's like geometry,

It's quite different.

And so when I have had symbolism though,

Which comes to me occasionally because it's simply relevant sometimes for me to see it or for whatever reason,

I tend to not share that with people.

And the reason is because I tend to stay on the side of letting people have their own experience,

Me being non-interpretive and also me being non-leading.

So to not hand somebody,

Hey,

You didn't have this experience,

I did,

I'm gonna tell you and then what do you do with what I've told you about my experience when it's your individual healing process?

Yeah,

Absolutely.

I tend to stay on that side,

But different people,

Different practitioners are using different tools,

Using different modalities and approaches.

So different things are appropriate for different people.

You do things differently,

Right?

The art form comes in,

But I'm fundamentally,

I'm in full agreement that like the person has to experience it themselves,

Right?

What do they do with,

It only goes so far if you're telling them something,

Something that you see or something symbolic,

That symbol has to have a narrative to it.

It has to have a story.

They have to experience it,

Understand what does this thing mean,

To experience it,

Understand what does this thing mean to me and if the symbolism arises from their own subconscious,

Then it's connected to their own guidance.

And it's all part of that process.

I think when I work with people and yes,

I work definitely on that symbolic level,

I'm within the narrative and there may be a decision whether or not where they're going,

Almost like a choose your own adventure when we're inside this narrative.

And I have to know when to ask and the default is to almost always ask their guidance,

Where are we supposed to go from here?

But there are times when you can see even in their physical musculature,

Like a clenching of a fist or something moving that you know that can be part of the patterns of holding back the blockage of the trauma of anger and things that I have to feel out,

Is this the appropriate time for them to release that anger and encourage that,

Right?

So they may want to casually forgive somebody and go right back to the same patterns that they had before and I have to feel out in my heart and my intellect whether or not they need a little push in the direction of being like,

Do we really want to let that person go right now or is there something your fist wants to say that you may have forgotten?

And so,

And that brings me to another thing of the,

How this all relates in the,

Because you talked about and I think it's incredibly important,

Being grounded for your belief system too in the physical body and in the somatic experience to kind of anchor it in and how anatomy fits in,

How like with all these systems,

The expression of the human body with all its anatomy,

How you view that,

How you see it,

How it is,

How it's useful to you in your practice and seeing blockages,

Et cetera.

Right,

Right.

Well,

You mentioned an interesting thing,

Which is seeing that the hand clenching indicates a certain kind of tension pattern,

Even if you're talking to them and working in an alert trance state,

Right?

So I mean,

I've gone across the pantheon of like healing stuff from,

In terms of training and seeing really seriously good practitioners and masters in body work through subtle energy work and meditation and traditional spiritual teachers.

And one thing that's amazing is that if you learn to read,

If you learn to read,

Whether it be the physical or the metaphysical,

If you will,

The energetic,

All of them are correlated.

That's the most important and interesting thing is that the body and the mind are probably best understood as connected through some kind of a mirroring mechanism as a kind of a correlation system where one is the inverse of the other.

So they work in parallel.

And what seems to be happening is that a lot of science is actually coming forward and understanding how to map this in terms of the traditional models of the chakras and how that aligns with the more contemporary models of how the brain is functioning multi-dimensionally through higher order geometry.

And so the simple version is it looks like we're right on the edge of a major breakthrough and a step forward in our understanding of biology and the importance of bio electrical systems in that it seems like the body's physical systems,

The physiological systems as Western science and medicine has identified that they're kind of working on different frequency bands as a way of thinking about it.

They're almost like there's a thing called a television,

There's a thing called your body and you can flip between different channels.

And just like the body has these different physiological systems,

They're actually working on different frequency bands in a sense.

And then in concert,

The brain and the heart centrally are synchronizing and integrating all of the overall functions.

So regarding though the orientation of field dynamics and the training we do,

And certainly my own process and what I try and really emphasize with people is the importance of being in your body,

The importance of being grounded,

The importance of being here now and the absolute requirement that you have to feel,

It's like,

What is this stuff that we're talking about?

This healing the subconscious,

Like this vague sense of like,

Oh,

Well,

Conscious and subconscious and reaching across.

And it's these things that we hold,

These experiences and these traumas or these limiting belief systems or these patterns,

These dysfunctional behavioral patterns,

Whatever they might be,

There's something that is not understood about them,

Which is what continues to feed their continuance in our experience.

And so in order to actually transform it at all levels of yourself,

Something like a repressed emotion needs to be felt.

And that isn't just an emotional state,

That's a belief or a thought associated with it.

And that's a feeling tone in your body.

And to have that be fully integrated through yourself,

You need to engage with it,

Open back up in the present moment,

Go back to that experience from five years ago that you've been avoiding feeling,

Which is still with you here now,

And allow that to move through you again,

Allow that feeling of anxiety that was so overwhelming then in that traumatic experience that you had shock to actually be okay with experiencing that shock,

Finally,

Now,

End it,

End the experience.

And that's to heal it,

That's to become conscious of it,

That's to allow it to not be creating the ripples of the waves.

For it to not be part of the undercurrent of the ocean that you're just riding the boat on the top of.

And that analogy is really great to keep coming back to because that's what the exertion of this unconscious and subconscious activity does to us,

Is that we're sitting on this boat and our waking state is kind of on the surface and all of these waves are coming.

And we're simply not aware of the waves,

We're just not,

Unless you really work hard at it and become a practitioner of mindfulness or become just simply interested in self-reflection all the time,

You will not realize how much of yourself is not aware of the inner workings of the mind and the subtleties of tension patterns in the body as you're pointing out.

Yeah,

And people can feel,

Even without being aware of the waves,

They feel they don't like the boat being rocked,

And they know that they get magnetized to healing themselves and understanding.

And I think,

I mean,

I'll keep this brief because I know we could go on for a long time here,

But the lessons attached to illnesses and the lessons that are attached in these places,

It's almost as if they have to discover it,

That people go in and it's not understood at first,

And then it needs to be understood.

They're going in there in that magnetism because I feel like people have these experiences,

Say four or five years old,

Young children,

That child that experienced it at four or five years old could be seen,

One way of saying it would be a sub personality,

Like the inner child,

Is working like that undercurrent consistently in the adult self.

And people know something's up,

They don't know how to access it.

They don't know what to do about it,

But they understand that something's running the show from behind the scenes.

And every time they go to step into their power or to do something with healthy process,

In comes this sabotage,

Or they start to act from the emotional level of a five-year-old.

And you cannot rationally speak to a five-year-old and tell them,

Hey,

Get over this,

You're safe now.

And so it's about going back in and bringing,

For me,

It's about bringing these memories,

Literally going on rescue missions into memories in the present moment to rescue that inner child or that younger self in the moment that they are.

And the moment that they received that trauma and to reestablish a healthy state then inside that memory so that they can then function creatively and in the present moment as an adult.

And so it's really,

It's just so fascinating for me and the lessons that surround that,

It's never too late.

It's like an adult can reclaim moments from when they were five years old.

In fact,

Whatever method you go about to heal yourself,

You have to do that,

You have to go back.

Those things are there carrying meaning and carrying lessons and that's the different modalities you may not have to overtly talk about it being a memory from five years old.

You can work with it within the musculature.

That's why what you do and the energy healing to me,

It's fascinating when someone is over analytical or the one,

Their process,

If they can work on an energetic level with those undercurrents,

It may be the right modality for them to work with as opposed to talking about it or overtly going back into the memory.

It's an interesting thing.

Yeah,

And so you've got a lot going on with both the dynamics of having an individual practice and then working with groups of people within these trainings.

And do you do one-on-one trainings as well or are you mostly just working in groups right now?

Yeah,

So Field Dynamics,

We really,

We're focused on doing trainings in groups and we're keeping the,

It's online,

So it's set up,

It's perfect,

COVID ushered in a forced move on the online format,

Which is proving to be of great benefit because it's working perfectly.

Everyone is able to,

We have people from all over the United States,

Canada and Europe in the course that we're currently doing.

And what it's enabled us to do is to connect to all different kinds of people in all different places.

And that has been such an amazing benefit of the situation that we're in right now.

But one of the things that's really useful with energy healing is that you don't actually need to know a lot about what it is that you want to necessarily work on.

So like,

We like to say that energy healing brings about an accelerated process of transformation.

And it's like,

Why is that?

Well,

It's because what you're doing,

If you think of it in terms of frequency or in terms of levels of consciousness,

We're using what is,

We're connecting to what is essentially the most powerful components of consciousness,

Which is the universal aspect.

And we're using the creative,

The underlying creative process which emanates out of that source field or that source consciousness,

We're hijacking,

We're learning to engineer and be co-creative with it and creating a process through the energy field,

Through the multidimensional anatomy.

And by focusing on the anatomy,

Which everybody has,

Chakras,

Meridians,

Essential channel,

Kundalini system,

An astral body,

Astral cords,

A multidimensional grid system,

There's all these different components of the anatomy.

And by working through the anatomy,

What you're actually doing is you're restructuring all of the way in which that subconscious is functioning.

So that analogy,

Again,

Of the waves,

It really reminds me when I think of it as the,

For those who are familiar with yoga,

The most famous yoga text is by this guy Patanjali.

And he says,

Defines yoga in one sentence as,

Yoga is the stilling of the fluctuations of the mind.

Well,

In a sense,

We're stilling the fluctuations of the ocean,

Right?

So the more coherency,

The more organization and orderliness that the energy field is brought to through the anatomical correction,

The more that our subconscious,

All that stuff,

That past stuff and that influential stuff,

The less influence it's exerting on the present moment.

And so with energy healing,

You can work with the anatomy or you can do what we're talking about,

Which is go,

I had this experience when I was five years old,

I had an,

This particular thing happened and you can work on it that way.

And you can find out where does that sit in your energy field?

Where does that sit in your body?

You can work it back through the anatomy.

You can clear it of its emotional debris.

You can integrate it through the physical.

You can work any which way because energy healing offers this unbelievably dynamic range of possibilities.

And so,

Yeah,

I mean,

That's what's most exciting to me in many ways about working with energy healing.

And that's why the modality,

Why the way of working has attracted me so much is because it's so rich with possibility.

It's so dynamic.

Absolutely.

It's fascinating.

And it's part of a holistic system too.

I mean,

And it makes sense to me of,

You know,

Taking care of the structure in the present moment on an energetic level,

It encourages what you want to see have happen as well.

It like sets the framework.

It allows for so much possibility.

And so right now,

What are the current things that you have going on?

You've got the 100 hour training that's come,

You're in the middle of the one that started on,

In October,

Correct?

And when is the next one?

Yeah,

We have one coming up in January.

There are,

The applications are open.

Some people have already jumped in.

And what we're doing with this training in general is we're trying to set the standard in energy healing training.

And so we've looked around.

I did,

Like I've mentioned in this talk so far,

I've really studied a lot of different stuff.

We met when I was flirting with forms of hypnosis and stuff to get into depth.

It didn't work for me in the sense that I knew it wasn't my calling,

But that's how we met.

You were a facilitator at a hypnosis training.

So.

I've seen your bio.

You have a very long list of experience and that's formulated what you're doing now,

Yeah.

Yeah,

So we're just trying to set the standard.

I've looked around at different ways to structure learning and ways to structure,

Particularly to develop a skillset.

And so right now,

Like probably a lot of people who will listen to this,

They'll be most familiar with Reiki for instance.

Reiki has been a gift to the world in that,

Energy healing is known primarily because Reiki exists in the Western world.

And so that's great,

But Reiki training is generally like you're a master in two or three days.

And I don't know about you,

I've learned like I used to be a serious musician.

Like I couldn't master anything in two years,

Let alone two days.

So the idea of being an energy healing master in a couple of days is,

It's really not hitting the mark.

So what we're doing is we've set up a program,

There's a hundred hour training and there's even a 200 hour training.

In general,

It'll take a person about a year to two years to go through that process.

And we're offering what I think and what I've studied as the most comprehensive,

The most integrative and the most contemporary version of becoming an actual professional,

Competent and extremely creative energy healer that is available.

That's the intention behind the training and thus far those are the results that we're seeing.

Yeah,

I mean,

Again,

Based on your personal experience of like going through trainings,

Being open to these different modalities,

Like you said,

When we met,

You knew what was for you,

What wasn't.

So when someone signs up for this training,

When they go through,

I know personally that I chose with hypnosis the most comprehensive skeletal framework for what that training pointed me in the direction of.

And the last six years has been me kind of personalizing it and figuring out what am I using,

What am I not?

And you mentioned you've got people from all different practices and modalities,

Doctors and all these different practitioners that are taking this course.

So with something this comprehensive,

Do you feel like based on your experience too,

That it allows this,

Like this is like the tool that you want in that tool bag?

Or is this kind of the tool bag itself,

The whole thing?

Or is this something that like people can take and make their own and live into?

That's okay,

That's an extremely important point.

So how do you learn an instrument?

How do you learn to play a guitar,

Right?

You learn technique initially,

And the more you learn technique,

The more creative freedom you have,

Right?

Or a language,

You learn the letters and the words and the sentences,

And then you can write paragraphs and then you can write books.

So the training structure and the approach is,

Teach people technique,

Teach people the rudiments of what energy healing can do with the field dynamics model,

Which is very universal in its scope,

Which is non-dogmatic in its scope.

There's nothing proprietary about it,

Even though there's a massive amount of tools and a dynamic range that we give to people.

What I basically work with people on is saying,

Okay,

I'm gonna teach you how to draw a real tree,

And then we're gonna draw an abstract tree.

And then after you're able to draw the abstract tree,

Then you're gonna get into pure abstraction that's not even a tree,

Right?

And so for those people who like structure and who are technically minded,

It fulfills everything.

And for those people who are more intuitive,

Much intuitive minded,

It fulfills everything,

Because the whole point is your creativity is freed up if you have a developed skill set that has like a technical understanding.

I mean,

You just have limitations if you don't understand technique,

If you don't have technique.

So everybody who's doing the training thus far is going to have a different practice in the long run.

They're gonna have a huge amount of protocol work and structured ways of working and developing their system that they can work with and continue to work with.

But for those who are gonna go,

You know what,

I like what I've experienced,

But I'm going to like put my stamp on it.

I'm going to work with the components that are most interesting to me.

I don't wanna work on this system,

Or I like to work with issues first,

Or I wanna work much more intuitively than going into a session with an idea of what it is that I'm gonna work on.

All of those needs are met and different people are gonna integrate this into their practice in a different way.

You know,

Some people might,

You know,

A big thing is some people are doing this for themselves.

Yeah,

They're gonna spend 80,

90,

100% of the time working on themselves.

Other people are really interested in expanding out and actually putting a sign on their door or adding to the skill set that they're already offering and saying,

Oh yeah,

I have a professional license in talk therapy and I also do energy healing,

You know?

One of the key components though,

Regardless,

Is that we fused,

This is one of the keystones to the model that we're working with.

We have fused the self-realization aspect and the healing aspect,

I.

E.

You can't really do the healing journey without walking the path of self-realization.

They both lead to the same place and that is the present moment,

Which is where we started in the present and the past and where we are in the present,

In the present,

Present,

Present,

Present kind of thing,

You know?

So this is a really important integration because a lot of healing modalities,

They just focus on energy healing and they don't necessarily develop presence.

They don't necessarily talk about really depth identity,

That identity of myself as a personality all the way to the depths of being also the universal self,

The universal consciousness,

The I am and the just the is-ness,

The pure being-ness that's the same for everyone.

And so there's a developmental arc that everybody is taking on the training and that when you do the training you do,

The arc is that you enter in wherever you are.

We all build a skillset together.

You learn a huge amount of technique,

Foundational and dynamic and powerful technique.

You go through the transformations of doing the protocols and sitting through the weekend modules and having all this stuff change and then doing your partner work with other people.

And in the end,

Your system is really transformed.

Your sense of self is transformed.

You're more grounded and more present and you can work with that practice in any way that you'd like to for others or for yourself or the way in which we teach technique wise or get much more intuitive.

We build on the intuitive component and then we get pretty soon into the training.

But we start with the simple stuff.

I mean,

The musical analogy is the best to me.

It's like who is going to play a Beethoven sonata on the piano without learning scales first?

You just can't.

Yeah,

And the learning skills leads to the freedom of expression and it can seem opposite to a lot of people but that's why you learn,

Take training and learn modalities and in order to have new ways to be more creative.

But you got to hunker down and actually put in some work in that beginning so you have the framework to explore in.

It's beautiful.

And so you have the,

I know we're running out of time.

You have the 100 hour training.

Do you have smaller,

What else are you offering right now?

Anything else besides the 100 hour training coming up in general?

So the 100 hour training is the flagship,

Six months,

A bunch of weekends.

Then we do one-on-one work,

Both Christabel and I and that's obviously on a case-by-case basis.

It's just schedule a session.

And then the in-between is that we try and run these things we call 60 minutes Saturdays,

Which are hour long sessions about once or twice a month on Saturday afternoons.

They're like $10,

Easy in,

Easy out,

Get a taste of what guided meditation and energy healing can be like.

And then we do an intermediary,

Which is a training that we call the field.

That training is just a half a day.

And it's a tool called the field.

And the simple explanation of the field is we said,

What can we make?

What energy healing tool can we make that is the easiest to learn and has the most effect?

And that's what that is.

It's like,

You could get something that is significantly transformative in just a four hour training.

Sweet.

I love that people can,

Again,

This is something that can be overwhelming to think about for some people and to offer anything for $10 these days is amazing,

But just so that people can get that experience because I think that's at the heart of it,

Right?

This is an experiential thing and the very structure of it is the experience.

So super important and people can sign up for all this through the website.

I know that it looks like we're at that time.

I know we could go on for a very long time about some of the things we talked about.

So I thought we did pretty well.

What is it that you're working on at the moment that you'd like to share?

Oh yeah.

So I have my website and again,

It's mixed modalities.

So I wear many hats.

I'm a milliner,

A hat maker as well.

So I make custom made hats,

Those things.

I do a lot of stuff with puppetry,

Believe it or not.

So I have a streaming show that's kind of a call-in,

Call-in love advice show with two live musicians on Twitch every Monday night.

But if people go to my website,

It'll point you in the direction of kind of the different things that I do.

And like you,

I try to offer all tiers of involvement and through readings.

And I don't do trainings as of now,

But I've really been enjoying it since I opened in August and maneuvering this situation.

So thank goodness for Zoom and the natural intimacy of my practice anyway,

That's one-on-one.

So.

And I know I've seen you work and I know that you wear many hats,

Ding ding.

But it all makes sense.

It all makes sense if anybody checks your stuff out.

It might seem disparate or something,

But it all makes sense.

And I think that you're incredibly connected to the work that you do.

So yeah,

That's a unifying principle is I've been passionate about these things and just kind of had faith that at one point in time,

That it makes sense.

And getting the brick and mortar,

The actual storefront and the studio in the back has been the thing.

The step of maturation that I needed to really settle in.

And I feel like these sessions have been so powerful since I opened and they're incredibly syncopated and they're incredibly synchronistic and magical.

So stepping into the store has a lot to do with it.

It makes a lot of sense when you're surrounded by the physical objects as well.

So yeah,

Keith,

Thank you.

I've learned a lot about that and I'm looking forward to learning more as time goes on.

We have a lot of conversations to have in the future like this one,

This is really interesting.

It's there's so many things that open up when you start just touching into the corners of some of the related subjects and stuff.

And especially since we're doing things that we're working with people in these different ways,

But that both connect to getting a depth.

And I think that that is,

We talked a little before we started recording this,

But that really was the theme of Starting Point to kind of wrap around in this.

And that is just like how important it is for people to find a way if they're interested in doing real healing work,

To find some way to kind of get across the threshold from that normal waking state consciousness,

Whether it be an energy healing modality or it'd be some kind of hypnosis or a guided,

Like a divination like the Tarot,

Finding a way to have that subconscious be reflected back so that it can get drawn into the light,

If you will,

Drawn into something that is seen and understood and known.

And to feel a part of that expanse and that bigger picture and to keep growing that way,

Right?

And so,

And it's not foreign.

It's something no one needs to tell you.

You feel it,

You sit in it,

You are it,

And then you continue to grow.

Haven't found many plateaus in this lifetime.

To be reminded that you're the ocean.

Yeah,

Yeah,

I think that is one thing,

Discovering that there's always going to be,

There's always growth and that that's a gift and that's why we're here.

So thank you,

Keith.

Thank you,

Jeff.

I appreciate it.

Till next time.

All right.