Living From The Heart Of Love

Well,

Hi there,

Everybody.

As always,

Thank you for being here.

I'm really excited about today's episode because I have a very special person joining me.

Her name is Prema Sudha Janet Hobbs.

She's a former journalist,

And she,

For decades,

Has trained and studied with Aboriginal masters and Eastern masters.

And she has her own channel on YouTube,

Which explores sacred wisdom.

So I'm thrilled to have her with me today.

So Janet,

Welcome,

Welcome,

Welcome.

Thank you,

Julie.

I'm so happy to be here.

Good,

So shall we just start by,

You know,

Having you explain,

For those who don't know,

What the term Prema Sudha means?

You know,

I'm the hugging saint,

The Indian hugging saint,

Who's gone around the world and hugged 35 million people,

Which just sounds impossible,

But I have watched her do 50,

000 people in one 24-hour period.

And some of these were group hugs,

But still,

This woman,

Anyway.

She gave me this name.

Now,

The point of getting a spiritual name is to remind us of who we really are.

So it sort of,

Like,

Gives you something to become,

To grow out of your own ego to become this.

So Prema Sudha means,

Prema is love,

Unconditional love,

And Sudha is blossom or nectar.

So it's like the nectar of unconditional love.

Yeah,

And it's actually a name that is very close to the heart,

Right?

It's very hard.

And that is where I live.

Like,

This is where I speak from.

You can tell this to me,

Yeah.

So it was very accurate.

And then it helped me grow out of Janet Hobbs to become Prema Sudha.

But I just use all of the names.

Like,

I just include the whole thing because it's like an embrace of everything,

You know?

Yeah,

Yes.

That's really,

Really beautiful.

I was actually given a spiritual name years ago,

Which it was translated to lightning.

And I just burst out laughing because,

Oh my gosh,

Talk about on point and accurate,

Because literally that was how everything just kind of exploded.

It was like this huge flash of lightning through I got Shaktipat in a lucid dream.

And that just set my whole life ablaze and on fire.

So- I can feel it.

I can feel what you're talking about.

Yeah.

Yes.

Yeah.

So I'm- They're bullseye.

Yes,

Bullseye is right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So that's so beautiful.

So do you want to just talk a little bit about your spiritual awakening process?

Because that's always a fun thing to hear about.

Okay.

Well,

You know,

I grew up in a conventional household,

Fairly conventional.

And,

But,

You know,

I always had this secret wild side.

And I think a lot of us,

I don't know what I'm talking about because I actually think if you've had a lot of lives,

You have a very big perspective underneath any conditioning.

But first of all,

The first thing that happened was when I was 24,

I had kind of a,

Was like a knock on the inside of my head going,

Do you want to wake up now or closer to when you're 40?

And I went,

That was when I was just heavily into journalism.

And I'm like,

Okay,

Well,

How about closer to when I'm 40,

Right?

So that was that.

But I took it as my soul was beginning to call my personality,

You know?

So the next thing that happened was I gave birth to a beautiful,

Beautiful son.

And he,

Before,

I guess in the first,

No,

Actually before he was born,

I had a dream that he was going to die before he was one,

But I didn't take the dream too seriously.

But when he was about three months,

He got a cold that did not go away.

And so we took him to the doctors and they,

First of all,

You know,

They just brushed me off as an alarm mom,

But the third pediatrician palpated his stomach and found a large spleen and a large liver.

And so we went into,

You know,

The medical system.

And after many,

Many testings,

They finally decided it was myelogenous leukemia,

Which is a kind of old,

It's kind of leukemia old people get,

Interestingly.

And at that time,

Only about one kid in North America got this a year,

But now it's gone up.

But anyway,

So he had it.

And I remember,

I remember the doctor,

Oh,

I just have such compassion for parents.

We went into his office and he gave us the bad news and said it was incurable.

And I remember looking at him and feeling like I was being hexed.

It was like the heaviness of the diagnosis and everything,

But he was just reporting the facts,

You know,

And he was just trying to help us,

Except there wasn't anything they could do because it's the kind of leukemia that's very resistant to chemo or radiation.

And anyway,

He was at this point,

I guess he was about eight months.

So it was like,

You know,

Useless.

So basically he said,

You know,

It'd be,

I mean,

I pushed him.

He didn't want to say,

But he said within a year or so he would die.

So I came home and climbed up.

We lived in a apartment.

I remember we climbed up two stairs,

Two flights of stairs to our suite.

And the suite,

This is like back in the eighties and it had yellow shag carpet.

Anyway,

I put my son down on the yellow shag carpet and he just sat there because he was so sick he didn't move.

And I went and sat on the couch.

And all of a sudden this light came in through the window and it surrounded him in light.

And I had this,

It was inside me.

I had the feeling of heaven and earth meeting.

It was as if I couldn't argue with the diagnosis.

It wasn't to argue with it,

But I could kind of embrace the reality of the diagnosis and yet open a door for something else to happen.

And I decided to do that.

And on that,

The whole world turned.

And what I realized is actually that was a foundational experience of self-realization.

But it's like just the tiny beginning.

But so that's what I did.

And from then on,

I would take my sons to.

.

.

Okay,

I'll just go back.

Within two weeks of making a decision at this level,

Somebody put me in touch with Olga Worrall who worked from a distance.

You can Google her.

She worked in the US and she worked particularly with children and from a distance often.

And I phoned her up and she said she'd work with us.

And interestingly,

In our conversation,

She mentioned that people never phoned back to tell her or seldom phone back to tell her how,

What the outcome had been,

Which I was so sorry for.

Like the disrespect of it.

When she was helping,

She did this for free.

I know,

I know.

So for part of that reason,

Partly I didn't want her to forget John,

But she never would have.

I phone once a month,

Okay?

So anyway,

So it's within two weeks of her beginning to work with my son from a distance,

Sending love and at seven o'clock every day,

We'd put our hands on him to ground the compassion.

She recommended we do that.

But I actually think she was kind of just including the parents in the whole package,

Right?

So we did that.

And after two weeks,

His blood count had fallen by 500 points,

His white cell count.

So at its height,

It was 60,

000.

The normal is eight to 12.

This is why he didn't move and you could sort of see through his skin.

He was so sick.

So it fell 500 within two weeks.

And then it fell a thousand in the next two weeks.

And then this continued.

And he also started to gain weight.

He'd stopped eating,

Lost his appetite,

But it came back a bit.

And I phoned her and then I remember the doctors,

I mean,

They were so,

I mean,

This is the 80s,

Right?

And it's in Edmonton.

And the guy,

Like he said to,

Don't get your hopes up.

Don't want you to get your hopes up.

This is just remission.

And I'm like,

Well,

I'm thinking,

I can't even tell you about Olga because she just laughed me out of the room.

But,

And then he stopped visiting us entirely.

So he just,

And he was busy and he was doing his best.

You know,

But there is something though,

There's a really peculiar twist to this story.

And I think that it's a really important one because we tend to think of the medical system and science as objective reality.

And I wanna tell you this thing,

Which is afterwards,

The social worker,

After my son was healed,

The social worker who at that time had wanted to come to my house,

And I'd refused to let her because I knew she was trying to make me accept his death and I just wasn't going to.

So I was quite abrupt with her.

But anyway,

She phoned me up and wanted to come for a healing session because you see in this time I'd given up journalism and just done this healing work.

And I said to her,

You know,

I never felt that the doctor was our friend,

That he was helping to harness his energies to help save my son,

Right?

And she said,

Just be glad he didn't become your son's friend.

And I said,

Why?

And she said,

Well,

When nine or 10 year old blonde boys come in,

It doesn't matter how good their prognosis is,

He makes friends with them and they will always die.

They always got sicker and died.

And I thought,

Like I knew instinctively the doctor wasn't doing this,

But I thought to myself,

I mean,

Wasn't doing this overtly,

But I thought to myself that his soul was telling him over and over how dead to his true nature he was.

And that deadness was why when I met him,

I felt he was just texting us,

He wasn't helping us,

Do you see?

And so these poor boys,

Do you know,

But it would have been an agreement before life and so it was meant to be.

But I thought to myself so much for,

Medical objectivity and scientific objectivity because there isn't any,

It's like,

It's all just reflecting us over and over.

And this doctor,

Poor man,

He used to talk,

He told me how upset he got when his patients died and that he had to take several days off.

So he just would get this over and over without realizing that his soul was wanting him to wake up to his true nature.

But anyway,

So over time,

My son got better and better.

And then one day,

I guess he was,

It was not much,

His white count was not that much high above normal.

I think it was about 16,

000 or something.

And,

But when I put my hands on my son,

I couldn't feel Olga.

I couldn't feel the love.

And I thought,

Oh,

She's died because she was old.

She was 86 or so.

And I phoned,

You know,

And she had died of heart failure.

So I had a bad week,

But then I decided that she'd still be working with us from heaven to finish the job.

And indeed he did get completely better.

But interestingly,

That's how plugged in we were,

Like I could feel the difference.

And that's also like the validation of the power of Olga's work that I could feel when it wasn't there.

Yeah,

So then my son lived.

And then I,

You know,

Went through some very difficult times after the opening,

You know,

The classic dark night of the soul.

And lost everything,

But picked myself up and started studying with Abraham.

And then after that also found Amma and have studied with Amma for the last 20 years.

But if I hadn't studied with Abraham and that aboriginal level,

I don't think I would have been able to understand Amma as deeply as I could.

It is studying with Abraham for about five years or maybe it was even 10.

In Hawaii,

We lived off the land.

It really broke my upper middle class,

Very tight upbringing in a big way.

I remember Abraham,

They'd eat and they'd enjoy their food and they'd slurp and chew.

And I'd like,

Oh,

That's so rude,

That's so rude,

You know.

So I had to sort of untie my,

You know,

My girdle.

Yeah,

Of course.

And learn how to just live life with a capital L,

Yeah.

And then I've just been sharing this.

Like I've been like,

Come on,

Everybody wake up.

Yes,

I,

You know,

I hear you.

That's what I've been doing for the last,

I don't know how many years,

Just sharing,

Sharing,

Sharing from my own direct experience and encouraging people essentially to listen to their own inner guidance,

To trust it above everything else and to try and live according to it.

Because to me,

There's just no other way,

You know.

No,

And this way is like the fool in the fairy tale,

You know,

Who follows his heart and triumphs,

You know.

But it's harder maybe in our era,

I don't know.

Yeah,

I mean,

You know,

There's a part of me that thinks it's actually easier now because certainly when I was young and,

You know,

I think I was about 14 or 15 when I was thrown off a horse.

The first time ever on a horse,

I was thrown off a horse and then had back,

You know,

Back issues.

And I just intuitively knew that the way to heal my back issue,

Instead of taking medication for the rest of my life,

Which is what the doctor said and what my mother said,

My mother said,

Oh,

You'll always have back problems from now on.

And I just thought to myself,

I'm not buying into that.

And I know that the answer is yoga.

Yeah.

So what happened was I went on this quest to try and find,

You know,

A yoga teacher.

There was no one in the area where I lived.

I lived in a very sort of working-class area,

You know,

In the UK,

Small town.

But I found one book in a local bookstore and I used that as my teacher.

Wow.

And did the asanas from this book.

Wow.

You know,

I was the weird one in my family,

Working-class family,

You know.

But I always knew that it was this yoga was the thing.

And I was always wanting to learn how to meditate.

You know,

I couldn't find anybody that taught me,

But I naturally would go into silence and I'd want to go into a local park and just sit and look at the trees and just be in silence.

So,

You know,

There was this kind of propensity for following my inner guidance and trusting that above everything.

You know,

I never,

I didn't know anything about the mystical traditions or the yogic path or any of those things,

But it would just,

It was like my own soul,

My own being was calling out to me and guiding me on.

So,

And then,

You know,

I had a radical awakening in my early thirties,

But,

You know,

These things are with us from the beginning,

Right?

They really are.

And they're calling us.

I mean,

I'm amazed really,

Like you just did it with a book.

I mean,

Good for you.

But what else are you going to do,

Right?

Back pain for your whole life?

Like,

No,

But still it's very inner directed.

Yes,

Yes,

Yeah.

And then,

You know,

I've talked about this many times,

But I had,

In 1989,

I had a lucid dream and there was a master yogi sitting on a low,

You know,

Wooden little tucket platform.

And I recognized him as being the one I'd been searching for my entire life.

So that really explains the kind of big interest in yoga because,

And it always felt like I'd done it before.

Right.

You know,

It was very familiar to me.

And so that kind of,

That was what kicked everything off and set me on another sort of path to do the work.

Yeah.

And that's how safe it is,

Right?

I mean,

If you follow,

You just get shown.

Yes.

Yes.

It's like,

You know,

The path through the dark woods in the fairy tale.

It's the same.

It's the same,

Same thing.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So you,

Were you inner directed to start doing this work?

Is that what happened with you?

You know,

What happened is I surfaced on the other side of all this with this incredible desire to help humanity.

And I had listened to my mom be so unhappy,

Married to,

You know,

A very economically successful guy and she was an old soul.

And she had,

Her dad had beat her and she had never been able to get over her fear to be able to live a true life,

You see?

So she was always seething with resentment and everything.

And it was like,

I felt like that there are so many women,

You know,

This is back.

You know,

I was born in 1952.

So this is back a long time.

But I thought to myself,

I used to feel there were so many women like her and I just wanted to go around and wake them all up.

So they could just see their own beauty and see the beauty of everything,

You know,

And not turn into these shriveled hearts.

Yes.

Right?

And the only thing that helped me was when my younger brother was born,

When I was seven,

I had a full spiritual,

Expansion with that.

Like I,

When I first saw him,

I tapped into the divine.

It was,

He was like the Christ child.

And really this saved me from my childhood because my early patterning had been really very tough.

My mom actually had had a mental breakdown and my older brother got encephalitis and it left him violent.

So as a very little child,

I would get pummeled by him randomly.

I never knew what was gonna happen.

Do you see?

Yes.

Yeah.

So this God experience when I was seven actually saved me and gave me something to build on.

And I think that's why I wanted to help everybody.

It was sort of like that seven-year-old child's heart.

And then a lot of my struggle has been actually how to help people.

Because we've all got such different minds.

So I go to do,

Like in the old days,

What I thought would help people,

Like it didn't help them.

Yes.

Yeah.

So that's been,

That is really all I wanna do.

And I remember Amma saying,

I said,

How shall I go forward Amma?

And she said,

Write.

And I actually think that my books are in a way,

My truest vehicle.

There's that one,

The spiritual psychology book.

And it's 154 essays on every possible spiritual state and emotion you can get into.

Sort of like a safety net to catch you.

And I just,

I have this overwhelming compassion for human race.

It's very,

It's hard to live with that sometimes.

It's so strong.

And I'm so driven to do everything I can do to help.

Yes,

Yes,

I know.

And sometimes it's difficult just on a sort of day-to-day basis because I'm sure you're the same.

When I go out and about and when I'm working or whatever I'm doing,

Even at the food store,

I feel the pain of people or the discord or the anger or the frustration or whatever it is.

And I could literally go from one to the other and just say,

It's gonna be okay.

And just kind of speak words of hope.

But of course,

It's not always appropriate to do that.

No,

When you're in England.

I'm in the Bahamas actually.

I'm in the Bahamas.

I live in the Bahamas,

But where people are much more open actually,

Much more open.

But yeah,

Just kind of moving through the day and functioning can be quite challenging.

If you're in any way kind of sensitive or you've had an awakening,

You do feel these things full force.

Sometimes though,

I mean,

Again,

There's been a lot of talk and maybe it's not so much anymore,

But in the old days,

They talk about like protecting yourself.

And I really don't agree with that because love protects us and share love.

So I go around smiling at everybody.

I speak to moms,

Particularly with kids and I tell them what beautiful kids they have.

And unless I get the feeling not to.

I just try to jolly everyone along.

It's the only way I can stand it.

And it stops me from getting sad,

Do you know?

Yes,

Yes.

I do the same thing.

I'll just chat with,

You know,

Like the checkout girl,

Say,

How's your day going?

You know,

How much longer are you on?

And,

You know,

When are you getting off,

Whatever.

And then I'll say,

You know,

Take it easy,

Get some rest or I'll make a joke or whatever.

And it just kind of helps sometimes to kind of shift and uplift the mood a little bit.

And it does make a difference.

You know,

I had a lovely experience.

Somebody dropped a whole bunch of chocolate chips and I was in line and I was using my feet to kind of push them up into a pile.

I didn't have anything else to do,

But it was so funny because this woman walked by and she said,

You don't have to do that.

That's not your job.

And I'm like,

Yeah,

It's okay.

I'm like,

So it was sort of like pressure not to do it.

And I'm like,

Wow.

So anyway,

Then I get to the checkout guy and he's so nice to me.

He's falling over himself,

Complimenting me on the fact that I piled these chocolate chips into a pile.

And I said,

Oh,

Thank you.

It was just very small.

And he said,

Listen,

In this era,

We're losing our common sense and common decency.

This 20 year old.

And he said,

You know,

I just commend anybody I see doing something sweet.

And I thought,

Oh my,

I told him that if we had people,

We were making people like him,

We were doing something right,

You know?

It's a lovely,

Expansive,

You know?

Yes,

Yes,

Yes.

So it's really about all of that,

Right?

It's about acknowledging people as well,

You know,

Rather than just ignoring them.

Acknowledging them and reflecting light and reflecting that you value them and you appreciate them and all of those.

All of those.

Yeah,

Acknowledging their humanity,

Like that we're worth something.

We're humans,

We're all worth.

Yes,

And we're all doing,

You know,

The best we can.

We are,

Exactly.

So I really kind of steer away from,

Like if somebody's upset,

I steer away from thinking,

Oh,

This is impacting me.

I just kind of send them love,

You know?

Yes,

Yes.

Yeah,

I do the same thing.

So do you want to talk a little bit about your channel about wisdom and the feminine spirit is the theme of it,

Correct?

Yes.

Well,

It's,

Actually I have three,

But they're all repeats.

One of them is Rise of the Divine Feminine and the other one is Spiritual Psychologist.

It's,

I feel like,

You know,

It's like embodying the feminine and speaking from that perspective.

And I feel that it's the thing that we're disallowing more and more,

The feminine polarity of things.

So the feminine is inclusive.

She's cooperative.

She's nurturing.

She's got the like 360 degree worldview,

Like an owl.

Like a mom,

You think of it,

A mom has to love her children,

Even if they've got six fingers and she's got to get along with other people and cooperate with other moms and raise the kids together and,

You know,

Not be too judgmental to discourage the kids to be able to,

You know,

See the heart of who they're born to be,

As well as take care of their physical needs.

And this is the realm of the feminine.

And,

You know,

When we allow this energy in emotionally,

Psychologically,

As women or as males,

We become much happier and life becomes multicolored as opposed to black and white.

It's sort of the most needed thing right now.

So I just speak from it.

And,

You know,

Hardly anybody ever comments.

It's almost like,

I mean,

It's hilarious.

It's almost like,

You know,

It is rising.

People I know compliment me,

But it's sort of like people don't quite know what to do.

It's true,

But what do I do with this?

And we have to live it.

We have to,

You know,

Come back to the feminine polarity and allow her in.

Because,

I mean,

Right?

It's like,

Mother nature's gonna just dump us all off the earth if we don't.

I mean,

She's the big mama.

It's like,

We should be like making friends with the mama.

Yeah.

Yes.

You know,

And also making friends with our own wisdom,

Divine wisdom,

The feminine wisdom,

And listening to her within our own beings,

You know,

Whether it's male or female.

This is it.

In fact,

We won't be able to care for her until we do that.

I mean,

That's how we'll know how to be good to her.

Yes.

Right.

Yes,

Because,

You know,

And it's amazing to me how many people feel disconnected.

You know,

They feel disconnected from their hearts.

They feel disconnected from their own wisdom.

They don't trust their inner guidance.

They don't know how to connect with their intuition and all of those things.

And it's,

You know,

I shouldn't be shocked by now,

But,

You know,

I still am sometimes surprised because,

To me,

It's always been so obvious.

You know,

It's never been an issue,

You know?

And yet people struggle.

It's the realm of the feminine you're talking about.

I mean,

So you're,

It's the thing that our culture is increasingly not allowing.

So,

Like,

It doesn't surprise me at all.

I mean,

Look what we're doing.

I mean,

Moms,

Really high-status moms,

I mean,

Lots of them just don't even take maternity leave,

Like,

Or for three weeks.

I mean,

We are not doing the things that,

And,

You know,

If children do not get,

Like,

That TLC and great care early,

Their bonding mechanism is disrupted.

As soon as your bonding's mechanistic,

You're disrupted.

How do you bond to anybody,

Or Mother Nature,

Or your heart?

So,

I mean,

This is why,

I mean,

I,

I mean,

I feel it's like an emergency,

Almost,

That we wake up to what we're doing.

Yes.

Yes,

And wake up to,

Also,

For many people,

For most people,

Actually,

Wake up to the ways they're denying their higher self,

The true self,

And living kind of in discord,

You know,

With that,

And being driven by material obsessions,

Which,

You know,

Never bring us any happiness at all.

No.

And they're wondering why they're depressed,

And wondering why,

You know,

They're looking for ways to escape,

You know?

Yeah,

I mean,

Yeah.

I mean,

It's,

It's so not gonna work,

But we keep doing it.

I know.

Yeah.

And you see,

If you,

If you have monkeys,

And you don't,

If you separate them from the mother too early,

The monkeys will hold onto their blanket and their bottle,

And they will not bond with people,

And they'll just be terrified if you take away any of their objects.

Do you see?

Yes.

This is what we're creating.

Mm-hmm.

So,

Yeah,

I mean,

I've met people who,

Yeah,

I know.

And it's sort of like,

How crazy does it have to get before we return to,

I don't know.

I mean,

I'll tell you,

40 years ago,

I thought,

Oh,

People just need to understand it.

I get,

Okay,

Prema Siddha,

Good luck.

Yes.

Well,

Look,

You know,

I mean,

I do,

I don't want to dismiss the fact that there's also,

Equally,

Awakening happening.

There are people waking up to their true nature,

Which is really encouraging.

It is.

There's definitely been some kind of shift.

I don't want to get into all the woo-woo of it,

But certainly I've seen- Oh,

No,

No,

No,

You're true.

You know,

I have seen that,

And there's definitely been more of a shift with respect to self-recognition and realizing one's true nature and all of those great things.

It's true,

And sometimes we have to go to extremes to come back,

Yeah.

I mean,

The creator's taking care of the human race,

So.

Yeah,

Yeah,

Yeah.

The creator will figure it out.

Yes.

So,

On another note,

Do you do online sessions or in-person sessions with people,

Or do you do healing classes,

Or how does that kind of manifest for you?

Well,

I have done a lot of in-person sessions where I've worked with people's bodies to actually help raise their vibration so that they could begin to,

And I have worked with phone calls,

But I'm moving into a whole different area now,

And that's,

I run these Zooms once a week.

Now,

These Zooms are particular for anybody who really wants to get onto the spiritual journey kind of in an organic way.

What's happening is I work so deeply with the cells of the body and with the subconscious of the people,

Because on this journey of mine,

I went through a very difficult psychological period just after that awakening,

And I had two nervous breakdowns very quick,

And it was great.

It was terrible,

But it was great because it actually cut through a great deal of my resistances,

And I could get onto the truth after that,

But it left me with a kind of,

It's a gift that comes through me of being able to access material people very,

Very deeply in their subconscious and be able to raise it up into consciousness,

And this really helps people with their blocks,

And it's just the words,

And it's just because it's cleared in me,

So when I speak directly to either the group or an individual person about that block,

It can dissolve at the blueprint level just as we're being,

And so all these people,

Their lives are changing just by turning up to the satsangs,

So I tend to,

I'm taking more care of myself now in a way,

And I'm working with people really who have the desire to grow enough to attend the satsangs,

Which are just by,

All my work is by donation anyway,

So that seems the best way because sometimes when people would phone and the amount of work they had to do before I would be able to even speak to them at a useful level,

It's like it was,

What do I do with that?

Yes,

Yes,

Yes,

I hear you because prior to the pandemic,

I just became very clear that I only was going to work with people that were really committed to doing the inner work and rather than somebody who's looking for guidance about finding a new partner or getting a better job,

And listen,

There's nothing wrong with any of those things,

Right?

It's all part and parcel of being human and all of that,

But I just knew that my call to action was deeper than that,

And I wanted to focus on working with people that were really willing to do the work,

Put in the work,

And really want to create effective,

Lasting change and to live in a way that was really aligned.

So,

And like you,

I'm able to really go in very deeply and point to,

Even with a few words or a sentence or a phrase or something,

But point to the sort of the blockages that I see that literally just dissolve.

I mean,

It's really amazing,

Actually,

The way it works when you go deep with this work,

And it's really joyful because you do see these incredible shifts of consciousness and people just,

You know,

Are transformed by it.

Yeah,

And I,

You know,

Just like I told my Satsang members,

Like we're gods in human form,

Like we're the creator.

So when we make a decision,

It has power.

So if we decide to go deeper,

We will be taken deeper,

You know?

And if somebody who's had the juice and the commitment to have their defenses dissolve,

Of course they would be able to have the creator's energy go through them to dissolve the defenses in the person they're facing.

I mean,

Yes,

It's very logical.

This stuff,

I always think,

Why do people think it's woo-woo?

It's got a tremendous,

It's got a huge heart logic to it.

Yes,

Yes,

Yes.

The authentic,

Let's say,

The authentic sort of transmissions or teachings or whatever you want,

Guidance,

Whatever you want to call it.

Yeah,

It's logical,

But it's also beyond the mind,

Right?

Because you could never fathom that out with the mind.

No,

But there's an expanse of logic,

You know?

Like,

Hmm,

How do I?

You can use logic to reduce or you can use logic to expand.

Like you could say,

Well,

Successful people go to Harvard.

I didn't go to Harvard.

I'm not going to be successful.

You can do that and put a big ceiling on your head or you can go with something like,

I don't know.

What's the use of the expansive?

I mean,

I do it all the time internally.

Okay,

Let's see what I did.

I went,

Like my dad is super successful.

He was ruthless as anything and he did very well.

And it's like,

I decided,

Well,

I'm just going to put that into the spiritual search.

Do you know?

Right,

And I'll do that spiritually.

I do the same thing,

Actually.

It's kind of interesting the way that works.

Yeah.

Because you still have to use the intellect,

Right?

But I guess what I'm speaking to is,

You know,

The movement of grace is beyond the mind,

You know,

And how that kind of actually,

You know what I mean?

Yeah,

Sure.

But I'm with you.

I utilize the kind of the mind or thoughts or whatever to generate this kind of expansion and acceleration.

Yeah,

The thing is,

Though,

Sometimes with people,

In my experience,

Like with mind,

I get what you're saying.

Like grace is,

You know,

Actually,

The higher somebody goes,

The fewer thoughts they have.

I get that.

But sometimes people get,

There's a need for discrimination,

Discernment.

Discernment is really key.

And sometimes,

You know,

People can throw all of that out with this distrust of the mind.

So I just.

Yes,

Yes,

I'm with you.

Yeah,

Fantastic.

Well,

I love this conversation.

It's been absolutely fantastic.

And I think we're coming kind of to the end of our time together.

But before we go,

I would love,

So before we close off,

I would love for you to just kind of share with people where they can find you and connect with you on social media and all of those good things.

Oh,

Yeah,

I'm not doing that much on social media these days.

You can,

You know,

Email me at thecompassionatewayatgmail.

Com.

And my website is thecompassionateshaman.

Com.

My,

You know,

My YouTube channels,

I guess I don't think you can contact me through that though.

Oh,

I do inside timer.

That's another thing that my videos are on.

I mean,

I think just email me thecompassionatewayatgmail.

Com.

Excellent,

Excellent.

And then your chat,

What do you want to talk about your channels?

What's the name of your channel again?

Okay,

It's Wisdom and the Feminine Spirit.

And there's also the Rise of the Divine Feminine and the Spiritual Psychologist.

But the first one and most important one really is Wisdom and the Feminine Spirit.

Beautiful.

And so,

You mentioned satsang,

So can people email you and join?

Yeah,

You can email me and come to this,

I'll put you on the satsang list and I'll tell you,

If you come for like,

Just do it for four weeks in a row and just notice.

And even if you don't understand much of what I'm saying,

If you just come,

What will happen is you will start to understand and also your life will change because this work is so,

It's so deep.

Yes,

Yes.

And what day of the week is that?

When do you run those?

Sunday morning,

My time,

So I'm Vancouver time and it's 8.

30 in the morning for an hour or so.

And this week we're having some questions.

Sometimes I'll have a focus group on questions,

Extra questions.

Yeah.

But I would really recommend,

They're called awareness satsangs.

Wonderful.

Yeah.

Fantastic.

Thank you,

Julie.

And so anybody,

And I'm just asking in case people have questions,

But anybody that maybe is new or hasn't meditated and all of those things,

That's still,

They'd still be okay.

Oh,

Sure,

Sure.

Because a lot of what I'm talking about,

All of us know underneath.

So when you just hear me speak,

It will start to validate your inner knowledge and you might even find it easier just to meditate afterwards because this work is,

Will help sort of soften the,

Make the soil more fertile,

Make it easier for the seeds to be planted.

Yeah.

Wonderful.

Fantastic.

It's love.

It's just love that's going to be coming to you.

Yeah.

Fantastic.

Well,

Premasuda,

Janet Hobbs,

Thank you so,

So much.

This has been really delightful,

Really delightful.

I've loved every minute and we'll have to do it again.

I'd love to invite you back.

Thank you so much,

Julie.

I've so enjoyed it myself.

It's a riot.

Good.

Good.

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Bye.

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