Satsang: Paths To Truth, Bodywork Secrets, And Atlantis

So glad I feel you.

I can feel you.

So I'm so glad that you're there and that you came here,

That we're together.

So this audio is going to be about Atlantis,

Actually,

Interestingly enough,

As well as being here with Ama and also the difference between the way of devotion and the way of knowledge on the spiritual path,

Which in the East they make a big deal about.

And it can help hearing the difference between these two paths can help Westerners.

It can help us come into more clarity about our journey,

Because as I said before,

You know,

In the East,

They've had thousands of years of studying the spiritual journey,

And they're much clearer about it than we are.

But we will catch up.

So first of all,

I just want to talk about being around Ama.

It's,

You know,

It's as if the air has got her love in it,

As if the air is thick with her love.

It's really the most amazing thing.

And it gets thicker and thicker the closer you get to her.

But it's sort of like,

You know,

If you're having a steam sauna,

Imagine that,

But just imagine that it's not hot,

You know,

But it's kind of like a steam,

The air is thick with the steam.

It's like the air is thick with love.

And today I went and sat in the building on the premise of the ashram,

Where Ama grew up.

And it's one main room,

And two very small side rooms on either side of this main room.

And this is where,

You know,

The family all lived with several,

You know,

Siblings and parents.

And it was thick,

It's the air just in was thick with this love.

And there's another room nearby where Ama began giving darshan,

You know,

Embracing people.

And it's very,

Very small room,

I mean,

Not much bigger than a closet in a way,

You know,

It would be like a walk,

Smaller than a walking closet.

Anyway,

This is where Ama gave darshan.

And again,

If you sit there for any length of time,

The air is just thick with this love.

Okay,

So what I'm wanting is,

What I'm hoping with Ama's grace is that this love is communicated this love is communicated as in the course of this satsang.

Yeah.

That it's,

It's communicated to your bodies.

Yeah,

Because these satsangs are training in becoming more loving,

But it's,

It includes your body.

It's like our cells have to get trained into actually allowing the love in and I've spoken to you about this before.

I mean,

We're made out of this love,

But the cells of our body are also carrying our connection.

Which is learned that love is not safe.

So that's the conflict that most of us face.

Do,

Dare I love,

Dare I allow the love in.

But you know,

These satsangs,

It's drip,

Drip,

Drip,

Drip,

You know,

A little bit every week.

And more kindness to yourself.

I can feel this,

The many of you are developing a greater kindness with yourself.

And I'm very pleased about that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's as if it still feels a bit hollow to you sometimes.

But just keep at it.

And that hollow feeling will go.

And you'll start feeling a real kinship with yourself and a real softness with yourself.

But I was thinking,

I wanted to spell this out,

You know,

It depends what you do with your thoughts and your intention away from the satsang.

I mean,

You know,

I can do everything I can to assist you,

But you know,

I can't do it for people.

And this can get mixed up because I'm so enthusiastic that sometimes people around me,

They go,

Oh,

Great,

I'm doing it.

But they're not doing spiritual practices,

You know,

And they're not keeping a diary.

And it's like,

Well,

You know,

We're the ones,

We're the ones who have to make the decision to do it or not.

And the thing about the journal is almost that it's really important.

And,

You know,

In my experience,

It was crucial because you could write out your emotions and instead of them circulating around in your head,

You could get them out on paper and they start then feeling like they can be solved.

And the problem doesn't seem so big once it's on paper.

Yeah.

And again,

It's part of the concept of taking responsibility,

Not in a heavy way,

But just in,

Yeah,

I want this spiritual knowledge and I'm going to make efforts for it.

Yeah.

Okay,

So the two,

You know,

There's a way of devotion.

We're moving now on to the,

What I talked about,

The ways to travel on the spiritual journey,

The way of devotion.

Now,

In this way,

The person remains a devotee,

They're devoted,

You know,

To their teacher or just to,

You know,

The abstract belief in God.

And the person who's in the way of devotion,

The spiritual practices are very important,

Like bhajans,

The singing.

It gets the emotions going and you start feeling the yearning for how much you really want to know what God is,

How much you really want to,

You know,

Feel God and express God.

But it's always,

In your thoughts,

You're always a separate person,

Worshipping something really other than what you are,

Like your teacher or God.

But you get closer through these spiritual practices and through,

Say,

Bhajans,

The singing.

So you get to taste the honey of the God energy.

Through your devotion,

You taste the honey.

Okay.

Now,

Over time,

In this way of devotion,

Which is more emotional than the other way,

The way of knowledge,

Over time,

What happens?

True spiritual knowledge develops as a byproduct of keeping this focus on God and doing these practices and allowing the cells of your body to be bathed in,

You know,

The feeling of God.

Okay.

Now,

The path of knowledge,

It's or jnana,

Which is J-N-A-N-A.

And a person on the path of knowledge or the path of wisdom,

It's also called the wisdom path,

Is called a jnani,

J-N-A-N-I.

Now,

In this way,

God is not considered separate.

It's more that the person wishes to embody knowledge of God.

They wish to become a sage.

They wish to become a very wise person.

So they're identified with it.

Okay.

And they dedicate their life to it and use their life as one big experiment about finding out whether God really exists.

And we've talked about this before about testing.

You know,

You might get the intuition to say,

Get a new job.

And,

You know,

If you're spiritually focused,

You know,

That a new job would bring you closer to God somehow,

Make you,

Would,

You'd express your soul.

So then,

You know,

So then you'd have to the fear of actually facing the fear and actually stepping forward and getting the job and seeing if your intuition was really true,

That it did help your spiritual journey,

That it was a blessing for you.

Yeah.

And then if it was,

Then you,

You're in more faith.

You're,

You're embodying a greater faith in God.

You're embodying a greater ability to follow your own soul.

Yeah.

Not being a bystander,

But actually doing it.

It's a little bit like a scientist experimenting,

Injecting themselves with substances to see what the results are.

It's very similar.

This is,

This is considered a higher path in the way of devotion.

I don't particularly know why,

Maybe just because it's a little more intellectual.

But what happens on the,

The way of wisdom or the way of knowledge is that gradually as people develop,

They become more and more emotionally devoted.

So the two paths are separate,

But they meet together.

Either way can lead you to self-realization.

And the,

The devotee gets more spiritual knowledge and the,

The Yanni,

The person who's walking the wisdom path,

Becomes increasingly emotionally devoted and will become increasingly compassionate.

It's sort of like the marriage of the female and the male.

Right?

Okay.

So lots of times our spiritual journeys are actually a mix of these.

So we might get the devotion,

We might do the way of the devotion at the very beginning of the journey.

And then we might shift over to the path of wisdom.

So it's a mix and actually the best journeys are kind of a mix because the path of wisdom can become very dry if there's not a lot of devotion in it.

It,

It's really dry.

Yeah.

And hard work in a way.

Yeah.

So this one,

There's a lot of devotion in my way,

But this way is really the way,

The path of knowledge.

Yeah.

And that's what you see,

This work that I do,

It holds intellectually because,

How do I say?

It's like,

It was the,

You know,

It's everything I say is backed by an intellectual knowledge as well as a heart knowledge.

So when I say everything is energy and that's God,

So we already know everything's made out of God,

But we're so alienated from it,

That it doesn't feel true.

It doesn't ring true.

How could it possibly be in this ugly world world that everything is God?

And I remember how alienated I used to feel and how hard it was for me to even entertain the notion that,

You know,

Everything was made out of energy and that energy is God.

Right.

So I'm going to speak again about how I came to this knowledge,

Just in case this helps you.

So I told you about my really difficult early years with my mom having a nervous breakdown and my brother beating me up all the randomly because of his encephalitis.

He was left with brain damage.

So the reason I knew this was because when I was studying with Abraham,

I had got body work from three people at once.

And if you've ever had,

I mean,

It's just brilliant.

This is the aboriginal way of spirituality,

You know,

And it cuts right to the quick.

It is brilliant because your shell just cracks open because you've got three people working on you and you cannot keep track of whose hand is where.

Do you know what I mean?

It's just an overload of touch.

And it is a perfect sort of climate set up for your or wounding the crack wide open.

So what happened while I was on this table was two things.

One is I remembered a lifetime where I'd been buried alive.

It was a druid life and I was buried alive.

And I even could feel the dirt coming down on my face.

It was a real thing.

And I was being buried alive because the group was being taken over by a like very negative kind of evil people.

And I stood up and I thought,

You know,

That the good was going to win.

Right.

Instead,

I get buried alive.

Right.

So this happened about 2000 years ago.

And so this was why when I say to you guys that I had heavy self karma,

And I,

You know,

I did not wake up for a long time.

And I was really hard on the God inside me was because this had happened.

So whenever I went to God to wake up,

This my cellular memories of this buried alive would come up.

Okay,

So for 2000 years,

I did not wake up.

And that's part of why it's such heavy resistance this life.

Okay,

But you know,

My soul was just breaking through this life.

So anyway,

So I can feel the buried alive and I'm screaming.

I mean,

I'm just totally out of control.

It's just and the other thing that happens is these memories of my early childhood come up from the cells of my body.

So I can feel that my mom forgot about me even when I was a baby.

And when she held me,

My head was lulling all over because she was so when people have nervous breakdowns,

Their muscle control is very,

They lose it.

So she she lost her fine motor control.

So I was flopping around.

She forgot about me.

And I would sit in the in the when I later,

You know,

About a year and a half,

I would sit in the dining room and rock against the walls.

Try to comfort myself,

Man,

All this stuff came up.

Now.

I was just screaming.

I mean,

I was just this horrible,

Horrible error.

And the feeling of being neglected is a little one when you're fresh from heaven,

You know.

So now the wonderful thing was when I came back from Hawaii,

And I went to see my mom.

And I said,

Mom,

I had some bodywork done.

And all of this material came up.

And this is what I got about my early bonding with you.

My early childhood was like,

Is this true?

Now,

To my mother's great credit,

She said,

Yes,

It's true.

It was like that.

Right.

So I had a place to build.

Now,

I had a client who had a similar thing when we were doing bodywork.

And all this stuff came up from her early childhood.

And she took it to her mother and her mother said,

Oh,

I don't remember.

Yeah,

It was a tragedy,

Really.

Because,

Because my mom was brave enough to say yes,

It was like that I had some something to build on,

I could start to build my new,

Truer life.

Yeah.

You know,

It's why I talk about the body so much and why I emphasize the body.

And when this material gets cleaned out,

You know,

When you when you feel the terror of it,

And you move through it,

Like it gets released,

And then the God in yourselves gets stronger.

And you become more,

You start the self realized path,

Really,

You start embodying your truth.

So this is,

You know,

The way of knowledge that I talk about was built this way for me.

So I went through this,

These sort of things,

I tested,

I,

I built,

I was really aware of building the foundations of my whole life,

And I wanted it in truth.

I wanted the absolute truth.

And I wanted it to be like a rock,

You know,

Christ said,

Build your house on a rock,

Don't build your house in the sand.

And most,

Most of us,

You know what,

We're built on sand,

Because we haven't gone deep enough to find the rock of the truth within us.

And often it's there in our bodies,

Locked up.

Yeah.

So another thing happened when this body work was done,

I got much smarter in the sense of my mind was freed up to see connections,

To solve problems in a much bigger way than I could do for that.

Before that,

I was actually crippled by this,

By this material.

And,

But I didn't realize it,

You know,

And I'd always done well in school and everything.

But the level of intelligence that was released after this body work was,

It's off the charts.

And then it just,

It just increased.

It just,

As I did more body work and got freer,

It increased.

And this is what I say to you,

Like,

We are geniuses.

And any of us can access it.

Yeah,

You just have to be brave and make sure you're working with somebody who's an authentic teacher,

You know.

And the way Amma does it with hugging us into truth is just so soft.

I mean,

You just get hugged and this stuff falls off.

Yeah.

So,

Again,

Part of what I'm wanting to talk about is something that came up from my body,

And it's around Atlantis.

So,

I was working with a woman.

She came as a client.

And I was working on her body.

And I was getting all this information that we knew each other as kids,

Or that we'd been kids together.

You know,

That I'd known her,

We'd been kids together.

And,

You know,

It just kept going.

I mean,

And then I got that we were on a boat together.

And that we were on a boat from Egypt.

Not from Egypt,

We were on a boat to Egypt.

And that we were on a boat to Egypt from Atlantis.

And we were two kids.

So,

I'm thinking,

Wow,

This is something that's right outside.

Well,

I had lots of spiritual experience and everything,

But I was not a big,

I hadn't thought a lot about Atlantis.

It surprised me.

So,

You know,

I started,

You know,

Talk to her a bit.

And I said,

You know,

I think we've known each other.

And she said,

Yeah,

I think so,

Too.

And I said,

You know,

Maybe we were kids together on a boat.

And she said,

You mean,

And I swear to God,

She said,

You mean going from Egypt to Atlantis?

And I went,

Yes!

Because she felt it,

Too,

Through the bodywork.

Yeah.

So,

You know,

And the reason I gave you the information about the other bodywork was to show you how accurate it was,

You see,

And how solid it was.

Because with this,

I mean,

I know Atlantis is considered like a bit of woo-woo.

Although,

You know,

Plato mentions Atlantis.

He said that,

You know,

It was a powerful,

Advanced civilization that existed like 11,

000 years ago from our time,

Not from Plato's time.

It was technically,

Logically advanced.

And there's,

You know,

There's,

They found a Bimini Road,

A road down in the Caribbean,

Off northern Bimini.

And it's like a road.

And the suggestion is it's the old Atlantis,

Which is,

It's just interesting.

Anyway,

Edgar Cayce,

Some of you know that,

Was a prophet.

I mean,

He was called the Sleeping Prophet.

He lived in 1877 to 1945.

And he would go to sleep and people sit next to him.

And then he would,

You know,

They'd say what the problem was,

And he'd give,

Like,

What the cure for cancer.

And he'd give cures for cancer that were like things like baking soda.

I mean,

They were the silliest cures,

In a way,

But they worked.

It was all documented.

He kept incredible documents,

Because he wanted to be accepted.

And he worked with some,

You know,

Some business people got really interested in him,

Because he would forecast stuff about the stock market,

But also doctors.

So he's got like 14,

000 cases.

You know,

And,

You know,

A lot of times the people that followed these kind of really homespun cures would get better,

But not everybody followed them.

But anyway,

He talked about Atlantis.

And he talked about that,

You know,

You know,

The story is it was lost to the flood.

But there were two,

It became corrupt,

Because it was,

What happens,

It split between the sons of the Law of One,

And the sons of Belial.

Now,

The sons of the Law of One,

You know,

It's a very technological culture,

And also spiritual in its way.

The sons of the Law of One believed that we have souls,

And that our souls belong to the Creator,

And that we're in this hologram,

Basically,

But that we're honour bound,

That we have to act in godly ways.

So one of the big things was they did a lot of work with cloning.

And they would,

The story is in Atlantis,

They cloned humans and beasts.

I mean,

They just made big messes.

So the sons of the Law of One said that we're honour bound to take care of these creatures that we've created through our genetic work.

Now,

The other group was the sons of Belial,

And they basically said,

You know,

We can just use any material for,

We can just do whatever we want without thought of the impact on Mother Nature or about anybody else.

Let's just,

We can just have this orgy of material plunder.

Okay,

Now,

Casey said that Atlantis was going to rise.

So he lived in,

He was 1877,

Maybe I said this to 1945,

But his work was a lot in the 20s,

30s.

And it was one of the things he said that Atlantis was going to rise again,

And that there would be a whole generations of kids that would be born with this technological bent,

And that they would be smarter than their parents.

And,

You know,

Basically Atlantis would rise again.

So this is what we've got in a way.

I mean,

We have just done this technological technological explosion over the past 40 years or so.

And indeed,

We've got a very similar conflict going on between people,

Like the Sons of the Law of Ones,

Who said,

You know,

That there was a God behind this whole thing,

And we were responsible to this God.

And we're responsible to all of life,

And how we treat it.

And the Sons of Belial said,

You know,

You can just,

You know,

Get as far away from Mother Nature as you like and plunder her to,

You know,

And do all kinds of cloning things.

You just,

You know,

Sort of like kids in a candy shop.

Okay,

So I just wanted to really spell this out.

Just so you can see the choices,

You know.

So maybe,

You know,

We've got technology here for good,

But if we do feel we have souls,

Then we're,

Again,

That word responsible,

We're responsible to our souls.

I don't know how else to say it,

You know.

It's like a parent loves their children,

But they're responsible for their children.

But if they really let their,

You know,

If you really love your children,

If you really let it,

Your heart open,

It becomes really effortless to raise kids,

Really.

It's not hard work.

You just do it all with love.

And it's the same with,

You know,

The spiritual journey.

You don't have to make a big deal about,

You know,

Responsibility.

You just have to,

Like,

Return to your heart,

Come back to your heart,

And think about who you want to be,

And be true to that.

And this is what people,

I find,

Have such hard trouble doing.

But if we don't do it,

If we don't act on it,

How could anything go well?

You know,

One of the things that Amma's talking about is how we can make a path through being loving.

And,

You know,

The spiritual teachers will say in the East,

They'll say,

If you focus on one thought,

So on gratitude,

Say,

Or love,

You just focus on that,

And live your life according to that,

You can achieve self-realization.

And when I look back,

You see,

That's what I did.

I surfaced from that difficult time,

And I just wanted to find out about love.

I wanted to love my kids way more than my parents had loved me.

I wanted to bring,

Express love in the culture.

Yeah,

So everything I did had that love intent.

And lots of times,

You know,

I failed,

Or I didn't do a good job.

But it was where I was steering.

Yeah.

It's where we're steering that's so important.

So,

You know,

I would struggle with,

Well,

How do I love my children in the highest good way,

So that I can,

You know,

See who they are,

And then do the things that help free that soul to live the life they came to live.

And I would really struggle with this,

And think about,

You know,

What programs to put them in,

Or,

You know,

We homeschooled for a while.

It was all to help,

You know,

So that they could reach adulthood,

And be in as good shape as possible.

Yeah.

And there's just another thing along those lines is,

You know,

In simpler societies,

They tend to take the young man around 16 or 18,

They put them on top of a mountain for three days,

Or a week,

And there's no food,

And probably even no water.

And the young man is thrown back on his resources,

His inner resources.

And the point of it was that the young man would tap into his soul,

Would tap into the larger meaning,

And come back from this thing,

This initiation,

More,

And in touch with his heart,

And in touch with God.

And,

You know,

The risk of these things is sometimes they died up there,

And sometimes they came back having lost their noodle with fear.

You know,

They were never,

They never functioned well again.

So,

It was always a risk,

But everything in life has a risk.

I mean,

We try to keep everything safe,

And actually,

We're tipping into extreme danger.

Because we try to keep everything safe,

But we're not paying attention to Mother Nature,

Or the deeper truths of our lives,

You know.

So,

What's safe,

And what isn't safe?

So,

One of the things I did with my boys was they,

There's a program called EDUCO.

It's an outdoor adventure school,

And it made them like,

It would make them do things that they never would have done normally,

Like climb mountains,

And go through all kinds of challenges.

And again,

It's to build character,

And it's kind of what we do in the West.

Like,

In the simpler society,

They would just take the kids miles up a mountain,

Just leave them there.

But it was the best that I could,

That I could come up with.

And you know,

We've got young men not doing that,

And playing violent video games,

And I'm like,

Okay.

I don't know how any good can come from this,

But oh well.

So,

The truth is really deep.

And when I'm working with people,

This is one of the walls I reach,

Is most people,

You know,

They feel safe staying shallow.

But we're not safe or shallow at all.

Yeah.

And there's a kind of a final thread to this,

Is I remember Sartre talking about,

Like in his books,

I mean,

I can't even remember.

I've read them like 40 years ago,

50 years ago.

Anyway,

There was one,

And it talked about the iron in the soul.

And you know,

I felt that in myself,

And I feel it in others,

In the bodywork.

It's kind of like an iron,

It's kind of this heavy.

It is like iron.

And it's where we lose our sense of humor.

He also talked about the spirit of seriousness.

And you know,

The spirit of seriousness comes because we're disowning our heart,

And we're giving or over-exaggerating our minds and our intellects.

And our intellects don't have the humor.

It's our hearts that have the humor.

It's our souls that have the humor.

But you see,

Our minds are getting so big,

And we're getting so serious about stuff,

And trying to solve problems with seriousness.

So,

If you go on LinkedIn and listen to all the stuff talked about trauma,

And everybody's talking about trauma,

And I'll tell you,

There are a whole bunch of people just getting re-traumatized by therapists who carry the whole concept of trauma so heavily.

Because it's a belief.

It's like,

You know,

There's a tremendous humor underneath everything.

It's because God's in everything,

And our hearts are in everything.

It's like,

It's just an illusion here.

It doesn't have to get so serious.

And you know,

My character development is I just laugh.

I go through my life laughing.

And I'll tell you,

I didn't laugh for 10 years as I was dealing with my own religiosity,

And this spirit of seriousness,

And the iron in the soul.

So,

It's to remember,

You know.

It's to remember.

Like,

If you,

I had nobody during these 10 years where I didn't laugh.

I had nobody who was saying,

You know,

Pramasutra,

Or I was Janet back then,

Lighten up.

Nobody would say,

I'll lighten up,

You'll figure it out.

Yeah.

So,

Hopefully,

You get some of that from me.

It's to remember that none of us are perfect,

And you can laugh at yourself and laugh.

You know,

Over the course of your lives,

If you shed your resistance,

You will feel lighter and lighter.

And they call it enlightenment,

Because really you feel lighter and lighter.

And you get more and more,

You laugh at stuff,

You know.

You don't take anything so seriously.

And you can just practice.

You can just practice.

You can just steer that way.

Not to deny it if you're upset,

But just to remind yourself that probably this problem isn't so earth-shaking.

Whatever is bothering you,

That it's not so earth-shaking.

It's not so serious.

Yeah.

The thing about the bodywork,

When you go really deep,

Like I did,

You really need to be in the hands of people who really know what they're doing.

Because after that,

I did bodywork with people who were like,

Okay,

Now this is premeditated.

I go,

Okay,

The way in is through the body.

You can just do a whole bunch of bodywork and dump all the trauma and just be enlightened in like two years or something.

So I went round to,

You know,

This was my testing,

You know.

So I went round to various bodyworkers.

But what I found was that the results,

If somebody wasn't in truth,

That the results were not the same at all.

And once,

I felt scared before I got on the table with this guy,

This guy who was working with me.

And,

You know,

I felt fear and I was hovering.

And he said,

Kind of in a heavy voice,

Just get on the table,

Janet.

And it was just like my dad.

And I did it.

I submitted,

Just like I did,

Got on the table.

And he worked on me.

And I experienced emotional chaos for two weeks after that.

You know,

Yeah.

That was a big lesson,

Just never to get on the table with anybody that you just don't feel really safe with.

And I think also with the bodywork,

It was just my way.

It's not everybody's way.

It was just a way to crack through because I think my head was so strong,

Nothing else would have.

I mean,

If I've sat and talked to a therapist,

I could have talked for 20 years,

I think.

Yeah.

We've got,

Like,

15 more minutes.

So,

I mean,

I know the chat was a little bit all over the place.

But I just wonder if anybody's got any questions about anything I said.

We'll just have to wait.

But I just wonder if anybody's got any questions about anything I said.

We'll just have 15 minutes for that.

Or question about something else.

I can't see any of your faces at all.

I mean,

I can't.

I just see that there are 26 participants.

I can't see you.

I would like to ask a question.

Yes,

Please.

Are there any markers or criteria to find a good bodyworker?

You said the feeling of feeling safe with the person.

Are there any more?

Because I experienced that it could be really going in the wrong way if it's not the right person.

So,

Maybe you can.

I don't know.

You know,

I think you're going to have to,

Like,

Maybe put it to God to bring you somebody to see who you can trust,

You know,

And then see who arrives.

Because I mean,

I was so clued out,

You see.

I didn't know how to read energy.

So,

So,

Okay.

So,

When I met Abraham,

I felt this immediate peace around him.

So,

When I met Amma,

It was a similar feeling of peace.

So,

If I feel that with somebody,

They're totally safe.

Okay.

But at that time,

I didn't even,

I don't even know that I registered too clearly about what people were caring,

You see.

That's the hard thing,

You know,

When we're so alienated from our truth that we don't even know.

Yeah.

You just need someone very loving and very gentle,

Sweet one.

Yeah.

Yeah.

In Germany,

Maybe there are other people,

Like,

You guys have a little more developed than we are in some ways,

You know.

Are there,

You know,

There's Waldorf schools or something.

Is there,

Is there any kind of massage thing that's,

That's a good even system,

You know,

That maybe thoughtful people might be interested in learning?

You might get good people doing that?

Do you understand what I'm saying?

I think the problem is more that there are so many people who are working with body and emotion,

And that it's hard to,

To see clearly how is,

Who is doing it,

The true and,

And,

Yeah,

Good work.

And if you get it out,

It can be like,

Okay,

It was,

Now it's worse than before.

Yeah.

But then sometimes something can be,

Get worse,

Even if the person's good,

Though,

It can,

It can,

Do you see what I mean?

It can sometimes do that as part of a clearing.

Yeah.

Okay.

But yeah,

This is our time,

Like,

There's,

There's so much,

There's so many people doing all kinds of levels of spiritual work.

It's hard to know who's real.

Yeah.

This is a hard thing.

I just feel you need someone really,

Really gentle.

It's like that more than anything else is something you need.

And if you get a feeling,

If you get a feeling of peace around somebody.

Yeah.

And then,

You know,

Speak to Amma,

And it's like,

You know,

Follow your intuition.

I mean,

Set it in motion through Amma,

You find someone.

And,

And remember,

Like,

You'll get,

You'll get what you allow.

Okay.

Remember that you'll get what you allow.

So,

And you can learn to allow better and better help.

Yeah.

The gentleness is so important.

Yeah,

I think a gentleness and a female,

It feels like a female and still a stillness and gentleness and peacefulness.

And even if you,

You know,

Even if you just get a little bit of,

Like,

Comfort or being,

Like,

A feeling of being held like a baby,

That would help.

It doesn't have to be somebody doesn't have to,

You know,

The kind of work that I got happened,

Because I went into that great difficulty.

Do you see what I mean?

Lots of times in a normal life,

It will just gently unfold another layer,

And then another layer.

Do you see what I mean?

A gentle,

I did Shiatsu.

I don't know if you guys get Shiatsu.

I,

I went to,

It was a brand,

The people who I came across,

I,

I was very compatible with them.

And,

Like,

So I could just go to a Shiatsu place sometimes,

And the person would be okay for me.

And it really helped me out of my head.

Yeah.

You'll be shown,

Sweetie.

Yeah.

And you can take a risk and find out,

You know,

It won't,

And it won't be that much damage,

You know,

Like,

Even at the worst,

It won't be,

You know,

I feel like you'll make a wise choice.

Okay?

You're okay.

You'll make a wise choice.

I can feel this.

Yeah.

And don't expect much.

Just,

You know,

It could develop if you had maybe several sessions,

But just to start with a gentle unfolding,

Right?

Yeah.

Anything that makes you feel better or more connected up with your heart?

Yeah.

It's a connection up with your heart.

That's what I'm getting.

Anything that helps you connect up with your heart,

And to move out of your head,

To connect up with your heart is really,

Really good for you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Okay.

Oh,

There's one more thing is sometimes healers will do this.

They will,

They can blame a patient.

And I just,

That's a bit of a warning.

Okay.

So they'll say,

They'll sort of indicate that you had so much darkness that,

That,

You know,

That you caused them damage.

Okay.

So just an important thing to know is,

And also for people who are doing healing work,

You can only get the darkness if you're carrying it.

See,

If I'm not carrying any darkness,

I can work on,

I could work on horrible people,

And I would not pick up any darkness.

Do you see?

But if I'm carrying darkness,

The darkness in them will stick to my darkness.

Do you see?

Because the universe is wanting,

Will be wanting me to release the darkness.

So it will seize the opportunity of somebody's darkness exaggerating mine.

So I'll let it go.

Do you see?

That's the point of it.

But I just want to mention that to you for some reason.

I don't know why.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I can feel,

You know,

You coming into your heart.

If you,

If you really make this,

I want to come into my heart.

You will.

Yep.

Yeah.

It's very strong in you for you to come into your heart this life.

And,

You know,

When we do that,

The mind will scream a bit,

The intellectual scream,

But you learn not to take it too seriously.

You just,

Yeah.

Prima Suda?

Prima Suda?

Yes.

Can you hear me?

Yes,

I can.

Okay.

I'm not sure how to do this.

I just wanted to share something.

You're talking about trying to get out of your mind,

You know,

And I have a horrible time of,

You know,

Thinking about the past and running that through my head all the time and hurting all over again and worrying about the future,

You know.

And I read something the other day and it said,

Put your mind where your hands are.

And luckily that's been sticking in my head and I'm able to do it.

And it really does help.

I just wanted to share that.

Cool.

Good.

Good for you.

Good.

Good.

Melinda,

Good.

Is there anything you need from me at all?

Me?

Yeah.

I don't know.

I'm terrible at public speaking.

My mind shuts off.

I don't know.

I started listening to you on Insight Timer and you've really helped me a lot.

And so I found out from you how to come on to the set sayings,

But I don't know.

It's just,

It's crazy.

I guess we've got a story for you if you want to hear it.

I don't know.

Jesus said,

Let me know that he's,

You know,

One of my spiritual guides.

And so one morning I woke up and I was just exhausted,

You know.

I just was hanging my head and just felt terrible.

And I don't know if they work with us,

You know,

While we're sleeping or what,

But seem to have that a lot.

And so I was just so frustrated and I just,

I got mad.

I allowed myself to get mad at Jesus and I was griping at him about all this pain,

You know,

Not only the emotional pain,

But the physical pain I was going through for like months.

And I'm just,

You know,

Trying to figure out all the signs and doing all the searching and,

You know,

Trying to figure things out.

And why didn't he just tell me what he wanted me to know,

You know,

And I just had a little hissy fit.

And so then I thought,

Well,

I'm just going to go downstairs and I'm going to watch a movie or something,

Get my mind off things.

So I tune into this movie and it's this gal that she had just been through so much that she had so much trauma that she had started sleepwalking.

And so she came in,

She came into her house one morning,

She woke up outside and came into her house and her house was just destroyed.

Everything was tore up,

You know.

And then she looked over at the wall and there's this picture of Jesus hanging there.

And there's this huge butcher knife she had stuck right in his face.

And so I just knew that Jesus was talking to me and that he was telling me about the frustration.

He was acknowledging my frustration with him.

Yeah.

And it just made me laugh and laugh.

And it just felt so good,

You know,

Because I knew he was talking to me and she went over and she plucked out the knife and she said,

Sorry,

Jesus.

And that just got me going all over again.

But that's it.

You know,

I mean,

What I like about what you're saying and this story is,

This is the level of pain that's coming up for people now.

You know,

It's intense.

I mean,

Because we're really being asked to make the shift.

And so when we gather together in satsang,

It makes it easier,

Melinda.

And I'm really glad you came,

That you're coming.

I'm really happy about this.

Me too.

Yeah.

Do you know,

We've got a movie star following me on,

A really nice movie star.

I don't want to say who he is,

But a really nice kind of old soul,

Male,

Like one of the really good guys follows me on Inside Timer.

So I think that's so cool.

Like,

Yeah.

Yeah.

And Melinda,

It's good to see you in satsang.

I'm really happy about this.

Thank you.

I'm happy too.

Yeah.

And thanks to your story.

Okay.

Okay,

Good.

Okay,

Everybody,

I think we're at the,

We're at the end of it.

It's,

It's 11 o'clock here.

And,

And I've just got the phone.

So it's not,

It's not the same,

But I can feel all you guys.

I can feel all the,

I can feel your hearts.

And I could feel that you,

This resonated,

What I was talking about,

That this satsang resonated with you.

Yeah.

I guess we've got time for one more.

Yeah.

Because if somebody's desperate to say something or speak up,

Please come forward.

We've got one more.

You're the last.

Maybe that's,

Nobody does,

But you're welcome to come forward if you want to.

Well,

Maybe that's the end then.

Okay.

All my love to you.

All my love to you.

I send love to you guys.

You know that you come across my mind.

I send love to you.

And I'm speaking from mama.

So I'm,

I'm,

I mean,

From,

You know,

Where I'm is.

So remember,

Think of the air being thick with love because really,

You know,

The air is thick with love.

We just haven't been attuned to it.

But when you wake up,

You get attuned to love and then you'll start to feel the love.

You'll start to feel like getting through.

So Melinda,

The,

The feeling,

The love is the other side of this pain you're going through.

Okay.

So you're just experiencing the walls to the love,

You know,

Where we welded off,

We got angry,

Welded off,

But you're,

You're clearing.

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah.

It's coming through.

Yeah.

It's helping all this to clear.

Okay.

My beloved,

Bless your heart.

Thank you for coming.

Okay.

Okay.

Bye.

Bye.