I often say the times I urge and let us slow down people hear it and they think I'm telling them to do more yoga or to align their chakras or something like that and I often tell them it's not about you,
Really isn't.
It's not even about us.
It's about the others in the room.
When I say slow down I'm inviting us to posture ourselves a little differently as to be able to notice the others around us intergenerational trauma,
Ancestry,
Microbes,
Lichens,
Rhizomes,
You know that the world around us is not to be dismissed in the theater,
In the theatrical act of the human.
We are to listen,
Right.
So when I say slow down I'm not saying reduce your speed,
I'm saying deepen and intensify and throw out and throw open awareness so that you're more alive and sensitized to the small minor gestures,
To the openings,
To the possibilities that are not there when we look clearly brother.
I think clarity can often get in the way of transformation.
Yeah,
When we're looking too closely in much the same way that science is proliferating carbon,
I mean these carbon narratives,
This idea of carbon futures,
Carbon control,
Carbon sequestration,
Yeah.
I feel that we are performing a kind of precision or a kind of tunnel vision metaphysics that reduces these powerful constructs to carbon reductionism for instance and proliferates data and we have a lot of data,
A lot of data,
But it seems with all that data we are not,
We're critically incapable of responding or rising to the moment.
So that's why I say that with all the clarity we have it doesn't seem like we're getting closer to the kinds of futures we imagined.
Maybe clarity is problematic in some way,
Maybe we see clearly when we see through our wet eyes,
Cheerful eyes.
Yeah,
I'm going on a tangent here.
Well the tangent is leading me as an engineer to what you're referring to clarity is like is now relating to reductionism to some degree.
Yeah.
It's interesting because my work as a coach actually is to try and elucidate clarity to the best of my ability for an individual on a path forward so it's very intriguing to hear that it is also reductionist but I can't disagree at this particular juncture in the conversation because it is collapsing the waveform to the particle back to where we were before in the dynamics of all the opportunities.
I mean it depends on what data is doing.
Data doesn't just show up right in the world.
Every time we allot value to the world we are ruling out some other possibilities.
I think I learned this saying in India,
Name the colour blind the eye.
That in the self-same moment you name the colour what it is or what you are sensing that it is.
I like your initial remarks about you know what I call it not just what it is.
The moment you name the colour you've foreclosed the other potentials,
The other possibilities,
The other virtual experiments,
The other chromatic virtual experiments that are possible.
The other ways that blue is not just entirely blue.
I know that might sound like a Freudian thing to say but yes.
So it could be that data,
A lot of data quite needed not to be dismissed but data can often shut down the other moves that we need to make about the world in peril.
Yeah a prism comes to mind actually.
A world in peril.
Yeah.
Can you unpack that a little bit?
Whether or not one trusts in the stories about climate collapse or not we do seem like we're in a process that almost resembles the middle passage the transatlantic slave trade.
It's that politics no longer feels as vibrant or as generative as it possibly could have been right.
It's now heavily tribalized,
Nuance and complexity are strangers.
There is an escalating death to democratic institutions.
So there is a prospects of rising fascist or proto-fascist standards.
What else?
Climate collapse,
Police brutality,
George Floyd.
I'm trying to say that the world has ended many times before and meeting it at its pace is the kind of work that I want to do.
Not to drag it or gentrify it into my feelings of utopia but to actually notice and listen in on what the world is making room for.
So that's what I mean by a world in peril.
I'm saying that we are at the end of the world as we know it.
We're at the end of the world as we know it and we will need to organize differently to meet this moment.
And so we're at the heart of crisis as an opportunity here but that's also I do run the risk of wearing my rose-tinted glasses when I say that out loud like that.
You know I hardly ever use the word the word opportunity feels too entrepreneurial.
It feels like it feels like there is yeah it's like a shark tank episode or something.
Go into the shark tank you know battle your adversaries and win a deal or something like that.
So it doesn't come across that way to me as some kind of,
It doesn't come across to me as just out there.
It seems like the world is really inviting us to compost ourselves brother.
To yeah to compost ourselves or to be composted by what it is doing because we're not separate from the world.
The concept of compost is quite interesting though because the something breaks down and something completely new then emerges from within there.
I don't even think it's a matter of us composting is to notice that we are already the compost heap.
We've always been the compost pile.
We've always depended on other creatures and other bodies to be ourselves.
Our notions of care are already complicit in perpetuating harmful things to other species or racialized minorities right.
It's that to to speak at all is to speak with the world.
So yeah that's a compost pile.
That's how a compost pile behaves.
There's no individual,
There's no finalized individual in a compost heap.
It is a negotiation.
Yew!
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