Synchronicities &Collective Consciousness W Elizabeth Elenor

Hellness,

Welcome.

This is Josh of Integrating Presence and Interskilled.

And today I have Elizabeth Makepeace with me.

Elizabeth,

How's it going today?

It's going really well.

It's early in the morning here in Australia,

But it's Friday.

Well,

That's very cool.

Thanks for getting up so early and joining me today here in the middle of the country and in mid-America here.

So who is Elizabeth Makepeace and what kind of work does she do?

So I suppose the easiest way to explain is that I'm a healer.

That's one of the things that most people resonate to,

Though I don't see myself as a healer anymore.

28 years I've been working in this spiritual realm.

I've had so many different experiences from,

You know,

Three shooting stars when I first asked the universe,

Am I on the right track and I'm not working for the wrong side to breezing through a four and a half centimetre brain tumour and meeting the love of my life on the beach.

You know,

My maiden name was Payne,

P-A-Y-N-E,

And his last name was Makepeace or is Makepeace,

Right?

And so when you're totally aligned with what your soul's destiny is,

Those things become common place.

They're not,

You know,

They're not coincidences,

They're not miracles,

They're just part of the way you live your life.

And so one of the things that I do is I support people to stop healing and move into creating because we have had so much,

You know,

Like I think consciousness was at that place in,

You know,

From the 60s and into,

You know,

The,

You know,

2020s or whatever.

But just,

You know,

Just recently,

I'd say in the last 10 years,

We've moved from constantly looking at ourselves as broken and doing all the shadow work and rebirthing and all of the things that's just a cesspit of,

You know,

Like until the beginning of time,

We're going to find things that are a distortion,

Right?

So it's moving out of the place of having to fix ourselves and to recognize that we are already whole,

We're already creating.

And now let's focus on what we want to create instead of just being asleep and creating from our unconscious.

Beautifully put,

Set a guest on before this,

Echoing similar things.

And there's a teacher I respect,

Used to follow his work more,

Matt Kahn,

And yeah,

Basically he's saying that,

You know,

If you keep healing,

Then like the,

Well,

His metaphor is like the universe will give you more of that.

So,

Oh,

You like healing?

Okay,

Well,

I'll give you more things to heal,

You know?

And so if,

And then if people build an identity around that,

Right,

Or,

You know,

They find a sense of self-worth,

Then,

You know,

We can see maybe where that's going to go,

Or maybe it's too superstitious,

But I don't know,

But having things to heal,

You know?

Yeah,

What do you say about it?

It's actually an interesting process because our unconscious is constantly wanting to survive,

Right?

That's its job,

That's what its role is.

It's a muscle,

Oh,

Sorry,

It's a memory storage unit of all the things that we have experienced,

Not only in this life,

But,

You know,

Energetically through our DNA,

In our soul lineage,

In our past lives,

All of those things.

And so it gets repetitive loops.

So as soon as you go into a process of,

I have to look for something to heal,

And that I'm broken,

It goes into the pattern of,

Ah,

I've found that thing,

I'm now healed,

Ah,

But there's something else too.

It just naturally wants to go back and gravitate to look for more things.

And because it is from the beginning of time,

It's going to constantly find stuff,

Because it's actually always searching for how to find our wholeness,

Instead of just experiencing ourselves as whole,

It's going to constantly look for the cracks.

Yeah,

And I definitely think it needs a different approach.

Now,

Let's clarify,

We're not talking about like serious things that need healed from,

Like,

If somebody has like a physical accident,

Or,

You know,

Something happens,

We're talking more kind of like,

I don't know,

Metaphorically,

Or,

Yeah,

The sense that something's not right,

Something's,

I'm not,

I need to be something else,

I need to be more,

I need to do more,

Or,

You know,

I don't know,

Yeah,

How we reframe,

I just wanted to make clear that we're not,

You talked a little bit about it,

But we're not talking about things that it would be obvious that you need to heal from,

Right?

We're not talking about that.

We're not talking about like a huge physical ailment or something,

Right?

Yeah,

Well,

It's interesting,

Because,

You know,

This is the dichotomy of life,

Right?

Is it that you had an experience that was physical,

So that you could correct a soul experience that,

You know,

Like something that your soul came here to experience?

Or is,

Have you had a permanent physical dis-ease?

So,

Like,

Actually,

All of it is that your soul is here to correct something,

Right?

Like,

Where our soul is here to experience ourselves as whole.

So,

When we have something,

For example,

Just say you have a permanent accident,

You're in a car accident or something like that,

And you become a paraplegic or,

You know,

Something major like that,

That part,

That experience is for you to rectify something within the spirit,

The mind,

To actually just still see yourself as whole,

Even though your body is not the same as everybody else.

Like,

Look at all the,

You know,

Different dysfunctions or,

You know,

Labels that we've got from ADHD to autism to,

You know,

All of the things,

All of these things are an opportunity for us to recognize that we're here to experience,

Right?

We're not going to all be the same,

We're here as a variety of different souls experiencing as a consciousness,

As a collective consciousness,

Right?

And so,

When we have those experiences,

How are we handling those experiences?

What is our mind telling us about ourselves?

What are we feeling about ourselves,

Others,

And the world?

You know,

Like,

All of those things come into play because,

Can I just share quickly about my,

You know,

My brain tumor?

Yes,

Please.

Yes.

Yeah,

It was quite an interesting process because I had had 12 months of symptoms,

And I'm a bit stubborn,

Right?

I'm not one to go and get something checked out straight away.

In fact,

Actually,

In my defense,

I was looking after my mum,

And she was,

You know,

Very close to going into a nursing home.

And I had been with her to a doctor,

And I was,

You know,

Was just on the start of having these symptoms of,

Like,

A little bit of pressure in my head.

And I mentioned it to her doctor,

And she said,

It doesn't sound like anything medical.

Well,

I was a massage therapist for 25 years.

So that's enough for me to say,

Oh,

Okay,

Maybe it's,

You know,

My atlas,

Which is the first vertebrae,

You know,

Maybe it's this,

Maybe it's that.

So I start going to a massage therapist,

And chiropractic,

And acupuncture.

And well,

12 months later,

I have done the gamut.

I'm like,

Oh,

Maybe this is my version of menopause,

You know.

So I went and did herbal medicine,

And I,

You name it,

I did,

I even went to a functional dentist,

Thinking that my jaw was out,

Or.

.

.

Anyway,

Got to this point,

You know,

I cleaned up my diet,

I'd done water therapy,

And that had stopped the pain,

You know,

For a couple of months.

And I had this moment where I didn't realise,

But it was that I was close to having,

You know,

Like fainting in the street.

And my daughter had a go at me,

You know,

Mum,

Just go to the doctor,

And find out what it is,

And then you can do your stuff,

Right.

So again,

It happened the next day,

And I was by myself,

And I went,

Okay,

I need to do something.

Well,

From that moment on,

Because of the alignment that I have spent more than 28 years in the process of becoming myself,

You know,

Understanding my presence,

Being connected to this inner wisdom,

Right,

Like whatever this intelligence is that we are all part of,

My whole journey has been to listen to that.

And so through the process is just this magic happened.

Like,

I went,

I rang up the first doctor I could find that was the closest,

It was just on the edges of COVID.

And,

You know,

You couldn't get into doctors,

And there was all this stuff.

Well,

I got into a doctor straight away that day,

Just happened to go to a doctor that had done four years in neurosurgery prior to being GP.

So he picked it up straight away.

He said,

There's something right,

You know,

You've got to go and have a CT scan the next day,

Had a CT scan,

They,

You know,

Rang me up and said,

You've got to go to emergency,

Like now,

You know,

And it was like,

Straight away,

I just went,

Oh,

Bugger,

You know,

There was no fear,

There was nothing,

It was just like,

Oh,

That's what's going on.

And they told me to pack my bags,

Because there wasn't going to be a neurosurgeon on an emergency on a Friday afternoon,

Or who turns up,

But a neurosurgeon,

They check me out.

And they say,

You know,

How does someone like you have a piece of fruit in your head,

You should be having seizures,

Blackouts,

Coordination and balance issues,

And you've got headaches.

And they let me go home,

Monday,

I went into the hospital,

I forgot my chemical free,

You know,

Clean,

You know,

Shampoo and conditioner and everything,

Walk into the toilets and showers,

And someone had left their Manuka honey shampoo and conditioner,

So I was able to use that.

Everything,

There was so many little pieces,

Including I had to have three months off my business.

And I got a five figure payout in my account just come out of the blue,

Into my into my account.

The last nurse I saw her name was Angel,

The first nurse I opened my eyes to her name was Crystal.

It was just no pain that the surgeon said she opened my head up and it popped out.

There was no follow up treatment.

There was nothing it was just flow after flow after flow.

That was my experience because it's been a long period of time that I've been developing this connection.

However,

When you have something going on,

And if it's a health related or physically related,

It's so important to tap in to that inner knowing to that creator energy and say,

Okay,

I'm here.

I'm listening.

What's this all about?

What do I need to clear?

What do I need to align to?

And just follow the directions of your internal voice,

Regardless of what's going on outside.

I guess people are listening to this,

They can they immediately kind of know and relate and resonate with what you're saying,

Right.

And in fact,

There was some times in my life where when the synchronicities stop,

Then first they started to get so much they got weird,

And they freaked me out a little bit.

But then it's the other way around when they stop that I'm like,

Okay,

What's going on here?

Why?

Why aren't there?

It's not enough synchronicities going on something kind of like that.

But it's just this is I think a lot of people though,

That aren't into the kind of things we're into.

They see they'll freak out at something like that,

You know,

And rightfully so.

I mean,

If people haven't been kind of prepared or doing,

I guess,

Inner work,

Or I don't know what you can attribute it to.

So yeah,

I don't know if we need to include that level or,

You know,

That's okay,

Too,

Because they're just where they're at,

You know,

Everybody,

We meet people where they're at,

I guess,

Too.

So maybe you can address that as well.

And if I can't,

I want to transition into kind of one of the reasons I brought you on to,

You mentioned getting out of a cult.

And I think this is a fascinating thing.

I've been listening to quite a few really severe survivor stories on a few podcasts,

Right?

And there's some people that have gone through horrendous amounts of trauma.

And I'm not trauma informed,

But I see this as something very vital in society now.

Some people might think it's too fringe,

Or that's not going on a lot.

And I don't know about that.

But what I do hear is a lot of different commonalities.

And so it would be kind of wild to think that all these people are making the kind of the same things up.

I'm not putting it past that.

But what I find this significant is because of like a trickle down effect,

That if there's some human beings that are experiencing severe,

And I'm not relating this to you,

Sorry,

So I don't know what you've gone through until you've shared your story.

I'm just,

I don't know why I'm associating or just,

It reminds me of what I've been witnessing survivor stories.

So can it be the case that really severe trauma affects the human population because of the collective conscious and the collective unconscious?

And what to do about it?

Some of the most horrendous things that have happened,

Not to get stuck in the darkness,

But also how to view this properly,

What to do about it,

And how to move beyond it.

I think I would like to get your take on that.

And I don't know how you want to address this,

If you want to talk about your experience with a cult first,

Or however you want to address these two things I'm interested in here.

Yeah,

It's a big topic,

Right?

And really my experience with the cult is nothing compared to what some people have experienced.

You know,

It was very cult-like,

But it was so mild.

And it was just part of my journey.

It was so mild compared to,

I've also heard some horrendous stories,

You know.

And in my opinion,

So for me,

What happened was,

I was just completely innocent.

I was young,

I was naive.

I had grown up in a family where talking about conditioning,

You know,

Like the way the unconscious wants to stay stuck in constantly fixing,

The unconscious doesn't want to change.

And the unconscious is caught up in the way it was developed as a child.

You know,

From zero to three,

We are like little sponges,

You know.

Our brainwave frequency is the same as if we were being hypnotized.

So everything that we see,

Hear,

Energetically experience,

We absorb all of it.

And it's sort of programming us to understand how to function in the world.

One of the things that I say to my clients is,

You know,

In a house full of thieves,

It's the child that doesn't want to steal that gets into trouble,

Right?

Because every single person in that family has a certain pattern,

And if you go out of that,

That's when you get into trouble,

Right?

Or you're seeing this different.

For me,

I was raised in a family of,

I don't feel like I don't belong.

And I was constantly told that,

No,

You didn't see that,

You didn't experience that,

This is what you experienced.

So never really encouraged to listen to my intuition or the internal voice or anything like that.

It was always influenced outside,

Which is a lot of us,

Right?

Because we actually come into a world,

We come into a world where before we were born,

We're in this beautiful place where we don't have to do anything,

Right?

Like in the womb,

We're just warm,

We're being fed,

You know,

No clothes,

We're just enjoying the experience.

And then as soon as that umbilical cord's cut,

You know,

We've got to breathe air,

Which is external to us,

We've got to have food external to us,

We've got to have warmth external to us,

Love external to us.

So everything is being conditioned for us to be separate,

To recognise ourselves as we need something external to us.

So fast forward to,

You know,

Single mum just separated from an alcoholic abusive relationship,

Getting my shit together,

Basically.

And I go to a psychic,

And the psychic says,

Well,

You can do what I do,

But obviously you don't know it.

And I had these weird experiences,

Like,

You know,

My dad touches me on the cheek,

You know,

My dad died when I was 15.

Three days of things touching me,

And I've got no idea what's going on,

And she won't let me go back.

So here I am left to my own devices,

Don't know anyone that's had this experience.

Go to a meditation circle,

Because where do you go when you know you've got this sort of thing happening?

And within,

I think,

About a month,

I'd met a guy who sort of started,

You know,

Sharing stuff with me,

And he sort of encouraged me to come to a workshop.

And this woman was doing past self-aggression,

And had all this amazing information that was way over my head,

And had no idea.

I went and had a regression,

And she's like,

I was waiting for someone to turn up,

And I knew that someone new was going to come,

And you walked in the door,

And I knew it was you,

Right?

So she got me as a blank slate.

I had no spiritual knowledge.

I had no information,

Like no history about anything.

And we started doing regression work,

And she was writing a book,

And taking people through regressions,

And writing this beautiful book,

Right?

Well,

Seven years of being part of that process,

And for five of the years,

I was in a different location.

So I was like an hour and a half away from the other five in the group.

But when I went up,

And started living closer,

I started seeing these signs.

And as we progressed all together,

She moved into,

Instead of just a facilitator,

She moved into starting to see herself as the mother of creation.

And yeah,

And so she wanted us to start talking about us being disciples,

And that she was the mother of Jesus,

And blah,

Blah,

Blah,

Right?

Now,

I had watched her grow.

She'd become part of my family.

I was sort of very much invested,

And yet,

Luckily,

That part of me that was innocent,

It had enough innocence to say,

I don't know if I believe this.

And so I questioned,

And I questioned what she was doing.

And I didn't quite jump in like the others were.

And all the way through,

Because of that,

I can see now that it was me personally growing,

And spiritually growing,

And being contained so that I could spiritually grow.

But what happened was,

It got to this point where she was spending all the money on things like going down,

And seeing her family,

And saying she was going to do a workshop.

And there was just all these little things.

And she was smoking cigarettes.

And she was like,

Oh,

This is so that people can judge me,

And I can pick up their judgment.

And she hadn't answered an excuse for everything.

But they got to this point where I questioned her,

And she really just jumped in,

And got the whole group behind her,

And basically said that I had this dark goddess that was infiltrating my field,

Was blanketing the consciousness of the whole group,

And creating seeds of doubt.

But not only just the group,

The whole world,

Right?

Well,

Again,

In my innocence,

I sort of went,

Well,

Did she want me to have another session to get rid of this dark goddess?

And I said,

Well,

If I've been working with you for seven years now,

If I can't get rid of this by myself,

There's something wrong with your teachings.

I now look back and go,

Oh,

That was pretty saucy to be able to do that,

Because I didn't really have that sort of angst in me,

Or the guts or whatever,

To stand up for myself.

I didn't realize that that's what I was doing.

And yeah,

It was quite an interesting process,

Because I then separated from the group.

And they were constantly ringing me up,

And she was sending me emails to say that if I didn't work this out,

I'd have to have another 250 lifetimes to get to this point again.

And it was the hardest thing that I've ever been through,

Is to separate from that community,

Because they were my family,

And all of my spiritual teachings had come through this woman.

And I had done,

I now say it's seven years of past life progression training,

Because there was this dichotomy,

Because she was my teacher,

But also I was learning directly from spirit.

And I was stripping all of this stuff from my body,

All of the past lives,

All of the old patterns of behavior.

But to answer,

So I ended up being able to separate from that group.

And so it was afterwards in the process of really having to hold my spiritual belief that I was doing the right thing.

And that even if I had to do another 250 lifetimes,

That I was prepared to do it,

You know,

To really stand in my truth.

And as I,

You know,

Took the 12 months that it took to really own myself and my truth,

And that this was the right decision,

I recognized that,

Yeah,

I was in a mini cult.

And that I had people outside go,

Yeah,

We were,

We actually checked out what she was doing,

Because you were there,

We were wondering why you were there,

You know,

Mine,

You know,

If anyone here is listening,

And has been in a cult situation,

You'd be laughing at my one,

Because,

You know,

It doesn't have that same depth to a lot of the trauma that some people have been through,

Right.

But getting back to the whole experience of cult energy,

When you can,

You can see where we are,

You know,

If you step beyond that,

And look from a higher perspective,

We are moving from one level of consciousness as a society into a whole new level of consciousness.

We have been for years,

Hundreds of years,

Developing almost you could consider an unconscious,

You know,

Like,

If we were looking at the body of human humanity,

We have been in the unconscious programming of being conditioned that there is some one energy that is outside of us.

And that's what we've been conditioned to believe,

There's this one energy outside of us,

That is going to save us in some way,

Because we are broken.

And so we've had many people come through and try to say,

I'm the one,

I'm the one,

I'm the one.

And so as a collective,

We gravitate towards what feels like truth.

And we,

We've got this unconscious pattern of looking and searching for a higher understanding.

And so through that process,

We're always searching.

But we've,

We're being conditioned,

You look at society,

You could say society is a big cult.

Because there's conditioning over and over again of how to,

You know,

Live your life and watch TV and be on social media and buy that soft drink and that,

You know,

Food and all of those things,

Right,

We're being conditioned in one way or another.

But as we shift into a new level of consciousness,

And we're sort of in that gap at the moment,

Where we're moving from being controlled for want of a better way,

Or programmed and conditioned,

Where people are starting to wake up and recognise that actually,

That one consciousness is internal,

That one consciousness is actually who we are.

And we've all got access to it,

Internally,

Not externally.

And so through that process,

As more and more people wake up to that,

It doesn't mean that we're going to have this,

You know,

Radical rebellion.

What it means is the more we understand that we are the one,

We recognise that you are the one too.

And now we've got this collective connection,

Where we see that,

Oh,

I'm just experiencing the oneness within me as a woman,

Right,

In Australia,

As a healer,

And you're experiencing it over in America,

You know,

Like feeding chickens and doing things that,

You know,

Like,

We've just got a different experience and coming from a different viewpoint,

But it's the same thing.

And that's when things are going to start shifting.

And so when people gravitate to cults,

They're,

One,

I feel like it's a soul correction,

You know,

Like,

Potentially something that has been lifetimes of having the same experience.

And it's the opportunity to,

You know,

We go into these dark experiences or shadow experiences,

So that we can recognise ourselves as the light.

And so,

You know,

Those things can be extremely traumatic,

Depending on what your soul is here to experience and how conscious you are of letting go of those experiences or self-aware to,

You know,

I'm gonna,

You know,

That whole experience for me was seven years.

It was not,

You know,

Traumatic.

I've had traumatic experiences that every single experience I've had,

I've grown from.

And so I would never say that they were wrong,

That I shouldn't have had them,

That I did the wrong thing.

They were part of who I am,

Because I've grown and developed as a human being and as a soul,

Right?

I don't know if I agree that abuse is okay,

You know,

I don't think abuse is ever okay,

Actually.

Now,

Afterwards,

You know,

Yeah,

And that's not what you mean,

Right?

It's if something happens and afterwards,

How are we going to view it?

Are we going to stay in victim mentality the rest of our lives and think that's going to help us,

You know,

And play the victim card,

But not also to shame victims either,

That's not helpful either.

It's about the choice we have now,

How are we going to view it?

What are we going to do if we need boundaries and how to enforce boundaries if something like that is needed?

And then,

Yeah,

How do we respond to it?

It's like I keep referring to this golden question of what if the worst things that happened to me were the greatest gift I've ever been given,

You know?

So we've been talking,

Or you've been talking,

And I have too,

A little bit about,

I would say,

A divinity path,

You know?

And while I'm familiar with the divinity path or some of the things on it,

I do study and practice more Buddhist stuff and,

You know,

What the Buddhists might say is action,

You know,

Intentionality and action.

So it's not to get hung up on our past actions that,

You know,

That don't happen randomly,

You know,

That aren't without effect,

You know?

If we do things with intentionality,

If we do skillful things intentionally,

They're going to have more than likely skillful results and vice versa,

You know?

But the rub is to not get hung up on the choices we've made in the past,

But it's that we now have an opportunity to do something different and it matters and it will have,

You know,

If we act skillfully with intention,

Then it tends to have a skillful outcome.

So that's how I look at this and causes and conditions.

I do kind of see more the divinity path about,

You know,

Coming here to experience things,

But this,

To see and verify this for myself is beyond my current capability of knowing exactly like this.

I'm not denying it,

I'm not saying it's not a possibility,

I'm just saying with right now what I have to work with is how am I viewing this and how am I responding to it that's going to be for my welfare and for the welfare of all beings everywhere,

Potentially,

And especially in the long term,

Right?

So this is kind of more how I view things like this,

But yeah,

And we do have the choice,

It seems,

To what we pay attention to and how we pay attention to it,

Because as the old most cliche saying goes,

Where attention goes,

Energy flows,

Right?

And yeah,

This notion of our innocence,

Too,

I mean,

It's one of the lessons I learned with devastation,

Because one of the gifts of devastation is that it can reveal deep truths within us,

And one of the things that came out in a devastation I had was that I was neglecting my innocence,

That I wanted to grow up really quick,

That I kind of looked down,

I was confusing innocence for naivety and stupidity,

And they're completely different,

You know?

And so that was a huge turning point that was so helpful to see that clearly,

Just like another huge confusion I was making is self-confidence with egotistical,

Being self-centered and selfish,

And egotistical is not the same as self-confidence,

You know?

Unfortunately,

All the examples I had for a while around me seem to conflate the two,

You know?

Those that I saw as self-confident,

I also saw as really egotistical,

So I didn't want that,

But of course they're not the same thing,

Which then leads me to another point of being patient with those who seem to struggle with something I find so easy,

And also being very grateful for those who are patient with me while I struggle with something that seems so effortless for them.

Well,

That's the thing,

Isn't it,

Right?

Because when you're all,

We're all on a journey,

We're all here to experience different aspects of the same thing,

Right?

And something that you said,

There's a couple of things like,

It's about responding rather than reacting,

And you know,

That's the part that's the work,

Because when we react,

We're reacting out of our unconscious and our ego and all of those things,

But when we respond,

We've had that moment to pause,

Even just for that little tiny moment to,

You know,

Move into,

Because,

You know,

I teach the five steps of alchemy,

And the last step is inspired action,

Right?

So,

You know,

Pausing,

Tuning into what it is that you're here to experience and to move forward into that,

Right?

Yeah,

Absolutely.

It's beautiful because it's the rub for me is remembering to do that,

You know?

It's when I face overwhelm,

Have stress and don't feel enough capacity that I forget about that sometimes,

But the more I can remember it,

The better it is for me,

The better it is for everyone around me.

And having these,

Creating these containers and practices like meditation,

For sure,

It makes a bigger container.

It allows for more time to pause and when can pause and slow down that it can see so many different more choices available and not reacting out of habit patterns that have been,

You know,

Mostly unconscious,

Whether they are inherited from something from one of our ancestors who something had happened to them,

And then they adapted or adopted a new way of doing things and that's got handed down if we we don't question it.

And,

You know,

Yeah,

So very important.

I find in this spiritual question,

How am I when things when things don't go my way?

Very important question,

You know?

Yeah,

I one of the things about the pause in,

You know,

The,

The understanding that I've had for,

You know,

As I've moved through this process,

Is when we react is because we're in that survival mode,

Right?

We're in that fight flight,

We're working from the body,

We're working from the mind.

And often,

When we're in that hyper vigilant experience,

Our energy or our soul is half in half out,

It's not quite in our body.

But when we pause,

It gives that opportunity for our soul to come in,

And to really encompass our body.

So now we're pausing.

And the reason we've got all of those different options in front of us is because now we're accessing all of us.

We're accessing our soul,

Which has got way more information than just our conscious and our unconscious heads.

It Yeah,

It's so true.

I don't know if I can speak for all males or anything.

But I know for me,

Sometimes I'm like a head on wheels.

I use this metaphor a lot,

You know,

And in my experience,

Women in general just seem to be so much more embodied.

You know,

So just not,

You know,

But it is what it is.

And,

And I just noticed how helpful it is to be more embodied and connected with the body.

It's like a no brainer,

Obvious once we know it.

And even when I used to drink,

That's one of the reasons I drank because I could actually feel my body more,

You know,

But it's letting go,

Right?

Yeah,

Yeah,

It's that that relief of not being in the mind all the time.

Yeah,

Exactly.

Yeah.

And it's not the relationship we have with our mind to is,

Is one that I'm not really impressed with a lot of meditation teachers,

Because it's almost like,

Oh,

The mind's okay.

But here's how to micromanage admit it,

You know,

And get around it without saying that I'm demonizing it and putting it down,

You know.

So it is a really tricky thing,

Because the mind has no shame a lot of times to,

You know,

We really look closely at our mind.

Yeah.

Well,

It's really interesting,

Isn't it?

Because,

Yeah,

You're so right.

So many people make the mind the ego as the baddie,

Right?

Like,

There's something to,

You know,

Is the victim,

We're the victim to it or whatever.

But when you actually recognize that it's on autopilot,

Because it's been conditioned or whatever,

And start working with it and saying,

Hey,

You know,

This is the way we used to be.

But now we're moving into this place.

Because the mind then starts thinking that it's going to die.

So that's why it pushes against.

And the whole,

You know,

Its whole premise is to help us stay alive.

So when we can recognize or,

You know,

Start working with the mind and saying,

Hey,

It's not that you're going to die,

It's actually that we're changing form,

And you're going to be having a different role,

Then it goes,

Ah,

Okay,

I'll come along with you.

I'll expand and I'll grow and we'll move together,

You know,

Like,

If you start working with it,

It's a whole different ballgame.

Yeah,

I love these different approaches.

One I've heard,

Too,

Is having the ego be integrated.

Because we have to have an ego.

I mean,

We couldn't really get out of bed and remember our name and go from point A to point B,

You know,

It's a very necessary thing.

It's just when it starts running the whole show.

And not,

You know,

Not letting everybody anybody else,

It shouldn't be driving the bus,

You know,

It should be on the bus,

It needs to be on the bus,

But not driving the bus,

I feel,

You know.

Yeah,

Absolutely.

And I just want to go back,

You know,

It just keeps on popping into my head.

So I'm going to go back.

You were saying,

You know,

As you said,

That,

You know,

Abuse and trauma is not okay.

We have so much of it.

We have so much on the planet,

Right?

And it's on from so many different forms,

You know,

Like,

To so many different extremes.

And as more people wake up and recognize that we are the solution,

That we have the inner wisdom,

We have the intelligence,

It's within us,

And it's not external,

The more light will be on the planet.

And the more those shadows,

Those things that are massive distortions in the human psyche,

Will start coming and breaking apart and recognizing as a collective,

That we don't want them anymore.

And we're not going to hide from them,

Because a lot of these things have been hidden.

And we all sort of know about in the back of our mind and do nothing about it.

But the more we recognize that we are part of the solution,

And the solution is to become our authentic self,

To love our,

You know,

Ourselves,

To love each other,

All of those things,

The more that consciousness moves onto the planet,

The more those things will just naturally bubble up and be exposed and break apart.

And then we can do the collective healing and the individual healing,

You know?

Yeah.

Love is always the answer for sure.

And that's,

I think that's a really helpful and skillful way,

You know?

I mean,

Some people want to come in,

You know,

Guns blazing,

Swords blazing,

But sometimes what's even more challenging is to like,

To make space,

Invite peace,

Anchor,

You know,

Anchor light,

And work with the heart.

And I really appreciate,

It's like a light bulb went on,

Because I was wondering quite a bit,

Like,

Why are we so conditioned and oriented towards externality,

You know?

And you really said it really well early on.

I mean,

It starts in the womb even.

Well,

When we come out of the womb,

Right?

I mean,

Actually when we come out of the womb and how we're dependent for certain things from the external.

And then it's almost like there's a,

Either people have capitalized on that and then ran with it and distorted it and taken advantage of that for programming people to,

Or maybe not,

Or maybe we just,

We didn't know any better to look outside ourselves more than we need to.

When so many resources are within,

I know when I started going within and meditating,

It was huge.

My life turned around almost immediately.

I had no idea of the vast interverse and what's available inside.

I mean,

It is like a hidden thing.

And you talk about,

You know,

The hidden in the shadows,

And that's how like some of these secret societies and people in power,

They have power because they keep things hidden and they keep secrets,

You know,

That really don't need to be secrets in order to gain advantage and power over others for their own selfish ends.

And like you said earlier,

Survivalism,

You know,

I feel a lot of it,

It's just almost weakened cowardly a lot of times to just be solely do anything possible to survive,

You know,

That's not life,

That's not living,

That's not what we're here to do,

I don't think.

And then there's so many different survival programs going on too.

I mean,

Look at movies and,

You know,

People are kind of programmed to go and instead of abundance or that there's so much limitation when there's not.

And there's only these options when there's way more,

You know,

It's the conditioning.

And so,

Like you say,

When we work internally and open our hearts and tune into these things,

It seems like it clears and opens more capacity.

And I think the more we can love,

The more we're also able to handle uncomfortable truths as well,

You know,

And be able to face what's hard to face and come with the skillful action and the heartfeltness that's needed to hold it.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

And,

You know,

These,

You look at ancient texts,

You know,

Like there's so much wisdom in ancient texts that's been hidden because all of the ancient texts explained that we have within us,

The key is within us,

You know,

It's our as within,

So without,

You know,

As above,

So below,

All of those things.

And we have been,

You know,

We can look at the micro and just our life or the macro and the bigger picture of how it's all been playing out for millennia,

Because it's the same process,

Is that the internal battle is the same as the external battle.

And so it's the whole hero's journey,

Right?

We're born,

The whole system is that we're born into the illusion,

Right?

So that's where we start looking at everything is an influence external to us from the very nature of what being birthed.

And so the whole thing is learning that actually it's not external to us,

It's internal to us,

You know.

And so eventually all of those things are going to come to,

Like,

Because as we understand that and start dealing with or working on the mind and the separation within the mind,

Body and spirit,

The separation within our families and our community,

Those little tiny things that are in our own micro world,

Those things will shift the bigger picture.

And the faster we do it,

The faster the bigger picture shifts.

Well,

Beautiful.

I think that's a great place to start wrapping up.

And I think that's a great kind of call to action and a healthy,

Helpful outlook and aspiration too,

For those who are in need of an aspiration and like such an aspiration.

I appreciate it.

And it seems,

You know,

I hope it's inevitable and we'll,

I think we'll see what effort we need to put where and what just kind of has momentum already,

You know,

And help nudge what needs to be nudged.

So Elizabeth,

Leave people with a final message which you want to take us out on.

Any message for those that are still listening,

I would say is to actually really just acknowledge that you are the creator of your life.

We are making decisions day in and day out that make a difference to not just us,

But our environment and the whole world.

It ripples out.

Take that moment to pause,

As we were saying before,

Take that moment.

And I teach people just that one breath,

Breathing in through your nose and out through your mouth,

Will give you enough of a moment to pause and to make a decision of what you want to create rather than in default of how you used to be.

What is it you're choosing now instead?

That's what I'd love to finish with.

Well,

Beautiful Elizabeth,

I appreciate you coming on and sharing your experiences and your wisdom and your abilities and your outlook and may all beings everywhere come to know the most optimal choices for their own well-being and for the well-being of all.

May all beings everywhere realize awakening and be free.