Ep 5: Sharing Our Story As A Way Of Healing With Julie Jacky

Yeah,

It's almost like when I go on a retreat,

It could be four days,

Five days,

Seven days.

I'm a very different person when I get out of the retreat.

And a lot of people say that.

But I've also come to realize now that even when I do a meditation,

It could be a 15 minute,

It could be a 30 minute,

It could be an hour meditation.

But I am a different person than I was before the meditation.

And I realized how much we can change,

How quickly we can change in little intention settings we do or meditations that we do.

We are a different person than we were 30 minutes ago.

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Hello,

I am here with Julie Jackie and I am just so thrilled to connect with you Julie and to share your story.

Thank you so much for being here on the podcast.

Thank you so much for inviting me.

I'm thrilled to connect too.

We were already chatting before this and we were like,

We need to go.

Yeah,

We had to like stop the conversation because it was getting too good.

And we wanted to like we needed to hit record so we could capture this magic.

So before we dive in,

Julie,

Like tell a little bit about yourself and where you're at and what you are all about.

Yeah.

So I am currently a spiritual business coach and I live in Florida across the street from the ocean and I'm sure we'll get into that story.

I work with a lot of women that are on their healing journey,

But are also bringing their gifts out into the world like you're doing.

And what led me here is a big unfolding of all the different things that I've gone through in my life like we were talking about before the show,

All the things I can see in hindsight how things unfolded in my life to have me have some challenging experiences to get to the place where I am.

And now I get the honor to help other people do the same thing,

Kind of unfold and unpack some of those challenging situations so they can figure out where they're going in the world.

So beyond my work,

I'm also a mom.

I have a 23 year old son.

And I'm currently a cat mom as well.

When I moved from Minnesota to Florida,

My son stayed there,

But I brought the cats with me.

I have two cats and they're like a big part of my life,

Especially as I was writing a book.

They're like with me all the time,

Which is a huge shift from what I used to do and where I am now.

So many big changes for you in your life.

How long ago,

We'll get into all of the details,

But how long have you lived in Florida since you made that move?

I've been here three years now.

Three years.

So,

So much has happened for you in the last three years.

I'd say so much has happened in the last three years,

But even before that,

In the last five years,

Like who I was five years ago,

Who I was three years ago,

Who I was a year ago,

Everything changed and then changed and then changed.

It just keeps shifting and unfolding.

I guess that is the one true thing.

What's that saying?

That's the one constant in life is change.

When you're intentional about shifting and healing and transforming,

Often that happens at such an accelerated rate that it's like we don't even recognize who we were not even that long ago.

Yeah,

It's almost like when I go on a retreat,

It could be four days,

Five days,

Seven days.

I'm a very different person when I get out of the retreat.

And a lot of people say that,

But I've also come to realize now that even when I do a meditation,

It could be a 15 minute,

It could be a 30 minute,

It could be an hour meditation,

But I am a different person than I was before the meditation.

And I realize how much we can change,

How quickly we can change in little intention settings we do or meditations that we do.

We are a different person than we were 30 minutes ago.

Yeah,

I love that.

I love that you said that because I remember hearing this advice around,

It was specifically around reading a book,

But it applies to anything meditation,

Intention setting,

Any sort of like self work or inner practice,

But it was around reading a book and it's setting the intention before you start reading the book,

Let this change me.

Because I think sometimes we like,

I know in the past I've been so attached to like the story that I'm living and this experience,

We kind of like attach and identify with it,

That it becomes so familiar that,

Okay,

We can read the self-help books,

We can do whatever,

But if we don't have that intention that we're actually open to change and willing to shift and see things differently,

Then it's like,

Okay,

I can read all the books I want,

But I'm so identified with the struggle and with the story and with my current reality that it's like just having that awareness and that openness to shift and change and allow yourself to become that new person is so powerful.

You know,

When you're sharing that,

One of the things that popped up into my mind is something,

I think I heard it from Michael Singer.

He's an author of The Untethered Soul.

And it is about that letting go of attachment.

And a lot of times we hear like,

Let go of the negative,

But he also said,

Let go of the good because otherwise we're staying attached to it and like trying to recreate it or,

And I,

That there was something that shifted me there like,

Okay,

And it's time to let go of this.

And even though I love this,

I got to let go of this.

And then that reminds me of,

We do,

We have to let go of the good in order to get to the great.

Mm,

Absolutely.

And that so applies to the topic here of like leaping and trusting that the great will appear for you.

Like the good is fine if you want to stay in it,

But there's something even better for you.

Like if you have that pull,

That calling to do whatever the thing might be,

You know,

I work with entrepreneurs,

So mainly that leap is around their businesses,

But whatever it is,

It's,

There's something bigger for you.

There's something grander,

Greater,

More expansive,

And it's available to you,

But we have to be okay with letting go of the good to allow space for the great.

Yes,

Absolutely.

Yes,

We do.

That's,

That's really what I did before I moved to Florida.

So it was February,

Like February 1st of 2017,

I was at a five day meditation retreat.

And the last two days of the retreat,

We did a four hour meditation each morning,

Like early morning.

I call it the butt crack.

We're up before anybody else,

And we're meditating.

And then that meditation,

I heard Melbourne,

Florida come in.

Now,

I knew that it was a place for me to move,

Like that's what the message was moved to Melbourne,

Florida.

But I didn't know where Melbourne was on the map.

I've never heard of it before,

And I didn't know anybody that lived there.

And so I kind of poo pooed it.

But over time,

And time being really short,

Like the next few days,

It became really clear to me that I was to move to Melbourne,

Florida.

So a few months later,

I took a trip down to Melbourne,

Florida to find my next home where I should live.

And within five months of getting that message,

I moved from Minnesota to Florida.

And when that was happening,

I had a hard time telling people about it.

I got this message in the meditation.

That's why I'm moving.

Because it sounds a little crazy.

And if you would look at my life at that point in time,

I was a vice president at a family office.

I was making a lot of money.

I had great benefits.

I also had my business on the side where I was tapping,

EFT practitioner,

Emotional freedom technique.

So I was tapping with clients on Fridays and part of Saturdays and sometimes in the evening.

And I loved my life.

I had family near me.

My son lived with me.

I had lots of friends.

I'd lived in Minnesota for 46 years.

Everything looked good.

My life was finally getting to a place where it looked good.

And yet I'm picking up and moving away from all of that.

And in hindsight,

Going back and looking at it,

It's because I had to let go of the good to get to the great.

But we don't know that at the time.

There's no way you would have known that there was something greater for you.

All we have to go on in those moments is this guidance or this nudge and this crazy feeling that,

What?

I'm being asked to do what?

And why?

It is a crazy feeling.

I remember during that five month period,

I literally had to stay out of my analytical brain because I would think,

Well,

Why am I doing this?

Why am I moving now?

Everything's going well.

This doesn't make sense.

I don't know anybody there.

I remember telling myself,

Julie,

You have to stay out of that brain.

And you have to follow this guidance.

There's a reason that you're doing this.

And yes,

Of course,

That unfolded over the next three years,

Why I was guided to move.

But I do specifically remember staying out of my head and staying in my heart so I could follow the guidance.

I love that.

But I'm thinking if that were the first time,

That concept,

Or if I'm just thinking of someone listening,

How the hell do I do that?

How do I stay out of my head?

Because that voice can be so strong.

That voice can be so easy to listen to,

That analytical mind.

So what did you do?

Did you have ways to actually make sure you didn't give power to that voice?

Or how did that look for you?

I think part of it is that I'd been receiving little messages before that.

They were smaller messages.

And I followed them.

I trusted them and followed them.

And so when this big message came,

It was a stronger voice.

I called a nudge.

And when I say nudge,

I'm like,

Sharp elbow.

Right to the gut.

Right?

Do this.

Pay attention.

I'm not actually talking that it was painful.

I don't mean that when I say sharp elbow.

But just the firmness of the message,

Like,

I knew I had to do this.

And so when I say I had to stay out of my head,

I literally would tell myself,

No,

Julie,

You can't go there.

You're guided to do this.

You need to trust.

And I don't even know how many times I said that to myself,

Because I would go there.

Or somebody,

I remember Easter with my family.

And some of my family is like,

Why are you doing this now?

You have a great job.

Like,

What's going on?

And it seemed like I was being crazy.

And I kept having to say to myself then,

Julie,

Stay out of your head.

Stay out of your head.

You're trusting and you're going with this.

So it was like I had to regularly talk to myself to say,

You're on the right path.

Even though it feels crazy.

Even though it looks crazy.

You're on the right path.

Keep doing it.

Keep doing it.

And it was those little nudges beforehand that got me to this bigger nudge.

It's almost like the universe is going,

OK,

Let's test her with all these little things.

OK,

She's doing good.

She's following them.

All right,

Good.

Now let's do a little bit bigger thing.

So they test me something a little bit bigger.

Oh,

She's really got to trust this time.

And then this big one,

You know,

That big one,

It's like all the little trustings along the way got me to that bigger one to be able to do it.

Yeah,

We are always being guided.

And I feel like one thing I come back to is we're never given something that we can't handle.

You know,

So whether you built that muscle of trusting and following that guidance or regardless of if that's anyone else's experience or not.

But it's like that guidance,

That nudge,

That desire,

Whatever it is,

It's there because you can handle it,

Because you can do it.

You're supported.

The resources will be aligned and available for you.

And just trusting in that is so huge.

And that kind of helps to take that pressure off when the mind chatter,

That analytical voice pops up and tries to talk us down from the ledge from taking that big crazy leap.

It's like,

No,

It's okay.

Like this is all divinely guided.

I agree that the belief that I'm given this opportunity,

There's a reason for it,

Even though right in this moment,

It feels bigger than me,

I'm trusting that universe,

God,

Higher power,

Whatever people resonate with,

That this is being given to me because they know more than I do.

They see bigger than I do.

They trust that I can do this.

They know I can do this.

And so that belief,

Yeah,

It helps exactly what you were saying.

It helps to keep going because I'm being given this to do because they believe I can do this.

And that piece about it being something bigger than you as well,

It's like,

Not only can you do this,

But it's like you doing this and you following this guidance is supportive of something so much bigger than you.

It takes the pressure off if you can really sit with that and really trust in that,

That the ripple effect of you doing this thing is massive.

It's like,

Okay,

So maybe then it's not so scary to move across the country or to whatever it is.

And that's kind of a good segue into talking about your book and about how when we do these big crazy things,

So many people are impacted by it in so many ways.

So to look at it in hindsight view,

So I have my book and I was guided to write that.

But before I was guided to write that,

I was guided to quit my job.

And before I was guided to quit my job,

I was guided to move to Florida.

And so it's like I see how these were lined up to get me to write the book that I would have never written had I stayed in my job in Minnesota and had that life because it was like full and good.

So I wouldn't have taken the time to sit down and write the book that I wrote.

And I never would have written it in Minnesota because of the topic.

It's about healing and forgiveness after childhood sexual abuse.

And I was never planning to write this book.

So as I,

Well,

I'll tell you the story.

So I already have shared that I moved,

I got the message in a meditation,

I moved to Florida five months later.

And a few months after that,

Hurricane Irma hit in Florida.

And it was headed my direction as a category five hurricane.

And I'd only been here a couple of months I landed here in Florida,

July 1.

And this was the beginning of September that the hurricane was happening or middle September.

And I just remembered,

What the heck,

God,

You asked me to move here.

And now there's a hurricane.

And I don't know if I'm going to have a home to come back to because I decided to leave and go to Orlando and be with friends who'd been through hurricanes before.

It was way easier to weather that because I'm by myself here in Florida.

I moved by myself.

So I remember that hurricane shifting me and made it through everything's good.

I came back to a home that was very much intact,

Even though category three did hit where I live.

And like power was out for a while.

But my home was very much intact.

And I remember coming home and walking through my house first before I brought my cats in just to make sure that nothing had leaked or there wasn't anything that would hurt their paws or whatever.

And I remember going upstairs and looking and seeing on the kitchen floor and the bathroom floor that there was a little bit of water because the skylights had been damaged in the hurricane.

And just a little bit of water had come through after the hurricane.

And I remember falling to my knees,

Crying and thanking God for that everything was okay.

And then there was something in me that like with that hurricane,

You know,

There's the storm that there was also a storm inside of me again,

I just moved and now there's another storm coming up.

And I felt the storm with my job.

So when I had shifted from Minnesota to Florida,

I started working remotely.

And things just weren't going right.

It didn't feel good anymore.

I didn't feel like I was serving my boss well.

And it didn't feel like I was supposed to be doing that same role.

And so I started working with a coach to talk about it.

And I'm like,

Okay,

Well,

Let's make an exit plan and build up my business.

And you know,

I can leave in like 18 months or so.

I'll have things all figured out and built up by them.

That didn't happen.

I gave my notice in the end of November.

And I left as an employee at the end of December that year.

And I see that happened to prepare me to write the book.

Now after the hurricane in October that year,

I went to Hay House Writers Workshop.

And I thought I was going to write a book on EFT to help spiritual entrepreneurs to clear out their fears,

Their limiting beliefs around money and being able to ask for a sale and standing up in front of people and speaking.

And clearly there were other plans for me.

So in January of 2018,

After I was no longer employee,

Now I was a consultant,

But I had my book that I was working on.

And that's when the book switched on me.

I've heard that before,

Like the book writes you I'm like,

Yeah,

Okay,

That's cool.

But I didn't understand it.

And what happened for me was,

As I'm trying to work on my book proposal,

It's just not flowing and making sense.

And so I took a pause.

And like,

I don't feel like I'm writing the right book.

I had no idea what the right book was.

And I remember looking at Okay,

What are the blogs I've written about lately?

They were all personal personal stories about myself,

My life.

There isn't anything EFT in there.

My God,

That's weird.

Well,

What's my blog list about the things I'm going to write about later?

I'm like,

This is really interesting.

And then I was in my felt compelled to create this timeline of events.

And they all happened within five to eight years,

I think.

And so I got on the phone with my book coach.

And like,

You know,

I think I'm writing the wrong book,

But I don't know what the right book is.

And here's this timeline.

And so like any good coach does,

She starts to ask me questions.

What's the significance of that in your life?

Like what's out of all those?

What's the biggest transformation?

And how did it impact you?

So we're talking as she's guiding and asking questions.

And what we came to she said at the end,

Julie,

I think this is about relationships.

And I said,

Okay,

I hear you.

I'm going to take in what you're saying because you have an outside perspective.

But for me,

That doesn't feel quite right yet.

I said,

So let me get back to you.

So literally over the next day and a half or so.

I tried to think about what's the common denominator and all those stories that I had jotted down?

And what would I call this book?

And I looked at it and I'm like,

Oh,

My gosh,

All of these are about different things that I've done to heal and forgive after childhood sexual abuse.

I remember thinking,

Oh,

No.

I remember reading that book.

But then I remember learning from other like Hay House authors and other authors that have written spiritual books like that's when the book unfolds and writes you and I'm like,

Okay,

I don't really want to write this,

But I think I'm supposed to write this.

So the writing began.

Yeah,

Wow.

What a piece of like,

That's such a lesson in trusting in that guidance,

Isn't it?

That it's like,

That would have been,

There would have been all these stories,

All these fears.

But then trusting in that,

Like,

No,

This is what I need to do.

Yeah.

Oh,

But one of the things this sounds funny,

But one of the things that propelled me forward is I wanted to be in the writing contest that was offered because I attended the writing course.

And that drove me to finish my book proposal for that deadline.

Even though I wasn't super attached to winning it.

I wanted to get my book proposal in and done.

And as I was doing that,

More stories began to unfold.

And I had,

I had a temper tantrum with God.

I remember so clearly I was on a flight on the way from Albuquerque or from Atlanta to Albuquerque.

And I was trying to make up for lost time because now I switched topics and I'm starting over with my book proposal.

So I'm pen to paper,

Pen to paper,

Just writing and writing and writing while I'm on this flight and like my hands getting tired and I'm shaking it out.

And I'm like,

No,

Just keep writing because the ideas were flowing and this was going great.

And then all of a sudden this word pops in my head.

Like,

Mm hmm.

Mm hmm.

And I write it over to the side and then I just keep writing and focusing on the stories.

Like get off the plane and I go check in to get my rental car.

And I get in the car and the word pops in again.

I'm like,

No,

Uh uh.

And the word isn't the word that I wanted to talk about with anybody.

It was abortion.

And I said to God,

No,

I'm not.

I'm not writing about that.

No,

Nope.

I'm already writing about how I forgave the person who abused me.

I'm already writing about how I apologized to my ex husband 15 years after we got divorced.

And he's the one who cheated on me.

But I all of a sudden became aware of my part in our divorce and apologized to him.

I was sharing abuse scenes in the book.

I was sharing that I couldn't speak up and I didn't have boundaries.

Like I was sharing everything.

And I'm like,

I'm not sharing that.

Like,

No.

And I don't think that I will ever forget what I heard next.

Oh,

Julie,

I don't want you to just talk about that one abortion.

You had two and I want them both in there.

Oh my goodness.

And I remember dropping the F bomb at God.

I was so mad.

Yeah.

And I'm like,

No,

No,

Not happening.

And then something happened to me.

I started to shift and I said twice,

Twice,

Twice God,

I had two abortions.

And somehow you still love me.

And in that moment,

I began to surrender.

Now I don't want to fool anybody because it wasn't pretty.

It wasn't a pretty surrender.

I remember this is literally what I did and I'm still driving in the car.

I don't know like somebody else must have had the wheel because I'm crying and I'm screaming at God and now I say fine.

If you want me to write that in the book,

Then you better find somebody to help me heal.

Because clearly I haven't done my personal work.

I just want everybody to know when you do something like that,

You're setting an intention.

Because then what unfolded was I got help healing from those two abortions.

And I wrote about that in my book.

And it's powerful because we are still loved when we make decisions like that.

Wow.

And that conversation with God that it's like,

No,

No,

No,

Like,

Here you go.

Here you go.

You have to do this.

You know,

How powerful.

So I was at a retreat then and that's where I experienced the healing.

And after the healing,

I shared with somebody what had just occurred.

Like I put all the pieces together and figured out,

Oh my God,

I just healed all the shame and embarrassment and humiliation and guilt and all those yucky feelings that I had around the decisions that I made as a teen.

And I shared it with this lady.

She's a cute lady.

She's like in her sixties maybe.

And she looked me in the eye and leaned forward and she said,

Julie,

Thank you so much for sharing that with me.

I had an abortion too,

And I've never been able to tell anyone.

And I'm like,

Oh,

I get it,

God.

You want me to write about that so we can let out our shame,

Our humiliation,

Our embarrassment,

Our guilt,

Our pain.

I get it.

I get why you want that in the book.

And so I opened up to being able to put that in the book to help others heal.

And that just goes to show it is,

It's about so much more than just you sharing it for you,

Even you sharing it for you so that you have the opportunity to heal it for you.

It's all of that and opening the door for other women to take a step forward on their journey to heal.

That is so beautiful.

And had you gotten in that last word with God and just straight up said no,

Which I'm sure we have free will,

You could have chosen.

I'm sure there would have been all sorts of,

When we make that decision that goes against the guidance,

Things don't often line up as easily as if we just went for it.

But you could have said no.

And then just think of what that would have cut off in that ripple effect that you've now been able to create and all of that healing that you may never even know the extent of.

And I won't because I don't,

I can't track who buys my book,

Who reads it,

And who experiences something from it.

So I had 15 different women and one man in there,

Read my book beforehand as my book ambassadors so they could share with other people about the book.

And several of us got together,

Like it was a husband and wife couple that I got together with to talk about the parallels for them.

They read my book and they wanted to tell me the impact.

And I remember the beautiful conversation that we had.

And it was around forgiveness and abortion.

And I remember him saying to me,

Julie,

You're my friend and I don't care how many abortions you've had.

I love you.

And you helped me see abortion in a different light that I've never seen it in before because before reading your book,

I was against it,

Really dead set against it.

And not that I'm pro-abortion now,

But now I understand that there's way more to it than just this or that.

And I remember getting chills that whole conversation,

Being so connected.

This opened up a dialogue for the husband and wife that I was speaking with,

For the three of us to connect.

And it allowed me to understand that this really can help lots of people open their minds,

Again,

Not like we're going to run out and be pro-abortion because I'm not,

But to understand that it's more than just a right or wrong or a yes or no,

That there's way more to it than that.

And to be open to having compassion for somebody that's put in the position that makes a decision one way or another.

There's a lot of healing that has to happen as a result of that.

How profound that it just,

It lands so deeply on so many levels that it's the healing available to the women who've experienced that healing to people that have different opinions and are maybe dead set in what they believe is right or wrong or whatever.

There's just so many layers there and how transformative.

I would love to see more conversations happen about abortion that aren't a political debate.

That they're a conversation about the healing that has to occur.

Here's what happened for me,

I already had shame,

Embarrassment,

Humiliation,

Guilt,

And all those yucky feelings because I made the decision I made,

Because I grew up Catholic,

Because that religion is against having abortions,

Understandably,

And I'm adopted.

So that means my birth mother made a choice.

And so I had more fierce judgment against myself because I made a different choice than she did.

So I already had lots of judgment on my own self.

Then when we have society that is making judgments on top of that and shaming us and telling us not to go to Planned Parenthood and how horrible it is,

And all these different judgments.

Now we have to heal from two things.

We have to heal from the pain of the judgment from society and the pain of going through whatever we went through that led us to make that decision in the first place.

And so the shame from outside,

The judgment from outside causes so much harm and so much damage.

And to be able to open up and have some different conversations to help people understand that,

We might be able to talk about abortion in a different way.

That could be way more healing for all of us.

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah.

And just to think,

If you had written a book about EFT,

What would have been left unsaid,

Unhealed,

Uneven considered,

But you had the heart to dive deep into your story and to heal all of that for yourself so that you could create this opportunity for healing and for these conversations and this shift in awareness to happen?

You know,

The title of my book is called On the Other Side.

And the meaning behind it is because when we get vulnerable,

When we do the deep work,

When we go through that and we open up and we start to have these types of conversations,

It's the freedom that we feel on the other side that helps us do it again and again,

Because I'm not silly or foolish enough to think all my healing is done.

Just because I wrote this book and went through these experiences,

I know there's more to do.

And I think that's true as long as we're here in this human form.

Yeah.

And so to be able to have a taste of that freedom,

That keeps me going back to dig in deeper to do even more work,

That there's a lot of power in that.

Yeah,

Absolutely.

It's that knowing how,

Yeah,

I can relate that to so many things,

Like the things that don't feel so good to do to support ourselves in our daily life,

Like whether that's eating well,

Exercising,

Drinking enough water,

Looking at your finances,

Doing the things that are just not so great.

But then it's how you feel afterwards,

After you've done them and you feel empowered,

You feel that sense of like,

Oh,

Okay,

I can do the difficult thing,

Whatever your difficult thing might be.

Maybe it's none of those examples and something completely different.

But it's that feeling afterwards,

That result,

That like,

Huh,

Being on the other side of it and creating that for yourself.

That's why we do anything we do,

Right?

Yes,

Because we want that other feeling.

We want the feeling of freedom.

And it's waiting for us.

It's ours.

It's just waiting for us.

And I keep finding that there aren't shortcuts.

You can't go around it,

Over it,

Under it.

You have to go through it.

And when you go through it,

Then there's the freedom right there,

Right on the other side.

Yeah.

But when we resist it,

We don't want to look at the thing and we don't want to do it or feel it or bring it up again.

What we resist persists.

We have to go through it.

We have to look at the things dead in the face.

We have to do whatever clearing or healing or integration needs to happen.

I'm really,

I'm just so in awe of you for having the courage to share your story and to continue to because,

I mean,

Yeah,

You've written the book and now I'm sure promoting the book,

Talking about the book,

Like that's got to be a whole other element of sharing your story and being so visible and so vulnerable as well.

It is because these aren't conversations that people are comfortable having.

I mean,

People don't like to talk about sexual abuse because they don't know what to do about it.

They don't know how they should behave or what they should do.

People don't want to talk about abortion.

It's uncomfortable because it's been this political party or that political party and it's this button of the heads and that's dividing us,

Not uniting us.

Just being able to have these different conversations with different people even brings up a different perspective.

When I started talking to people,

And talking to people about abortion isn't like a platform I ever thought I would have.

I'm probably still a little bit in denial about it,

But there was a group of people that were together and somebody shared my story.

I'm like,

Oh my God,

They're talking about me.

I'm like,

That's me.

During that weekend that I was together with these people,

I had men come up to me and they shared their abortion stories.

I never thought about an abortion story from a man's standpoint,

Ever.

I just thought,

Well,

It's my body.

It was my decision.

These men that came up to me said,

I remember that was my first girlfriend,

The love of my life.

She got pregnant and we decided to have an abortion because we were only 16 and 17.

Then we broke up because we didn't know how to navigate through that and where to go from there.

She's still on my mind.

I can't forget her.

Another guy told me that his girlfriend had an abortion.

Here he is now in his 50s and he's still sending her money.

Not that that was ever a commitment that he had to do that,

But he just felt so connected to her in a different way that he wanted to support her after she went through what she went through.

I'm like,

Wow,

I didn't realize how much abortion impacted men too.

So just opening up to have these conversations won't just heal women.

It will heal men too.

And then I think of just like I said before,

You'll never know the full extent of that ripple effect.

It's like,

Yeah,

That impacts their lives and then them showing up differently or having an expanded viewpoint on a topic so charged as abortion,

How they're going to show up differently and how that then is going to ripple out into more lives and more in so many different ways that we can't even begin to imagine.

And it's like,

Yeah,

Again,

I just come back to like,

Imagine if you'd written an EFT book.

That wouldn't have happened.

I'm sure there would have been other amazing things that would have come from it,

But it wouldn't have been as deeply,

This is what you were guided to do.

And prior to that,

It's like the move from Minnesota,

The quitting your job,

It was all for this bigger purpose.

It wasn't just,

Oh yeah,

Yeah,

Go live in the sunshine,

Go move to Florida.

It's like,

There is a bigger plan.

And we can't see it at the time.

There's no way you would have been able to imagine being where you are now.

No,

If I would have known that I was to move to Florida to write the book that I wrote,

I don't think I would have moved.

I wouldn't have.

I would have been so resistant.

Like what you want me to pick up and move to Florida by myself,

Quit my job,

And write a book about healing and forgiveness after childhood sexual abuse?

And what?

Put abortion in there?

You're crazy.

I would have never done it.

Yeah,

Just straight up not happening.

So it orchestrated and unfolded perfectly,

Like life always does for each of us.

Yeah,

And it's such a good reminder that in hindsight,

Looking back,

It's easy to connect those dots and you can see how,

Okay,

Of course,

Because we can look back at that,

It all makes sense.

But it's always comforting for me to come back to that realization when I'm in a situation whether things aren't feeling so aligned or how I consciously wish they were,

Or I'm about to take a big leap and I'm like,

I have no idea how this is going to work.

It's like reminding myself that if I look back on any big decision or any challenge that I've been through,

It's always come together in such a bigger way than I could have imagined at the beginning.

Yes.

And that little knowing,

Like you've had some experiences and you can see the hindsight and like,

Okay,

Now that gives me the oomph,

That gives me the excitement that allows me to have the faith and the trust that I need to take this leap.

And then guess what happens?

The net appears.

It sure does.

And the net can look different in so many different circumstances and for everyone's life like it's the net is going to be different.

Sometimes the net's not so fun during the process,

I would imagine.

You know,

Like we still it's,

I find it's a balance of like,

Trusting that the net will appear because it always does.

But it does require like a little bit of us creating the net as well and taking that action,

Like continuing on with that guidance to do the big thing.

And then,

You know,

Still showing up and taking the action based on that same sort of feeling of like,

Okay,

But you should do this.

You should,

Like,

For example,

In your story,

How you felt you weren't writing the right book.

It was still it was like that same inner like knowing,

Right?

Yes.

Yes.

And so being in tune with that being clear on that,

And then taking action based on it.

I think it's a big,

Big thing that you're saying here,

Because it would be easy for me to go write that EFT book and that's probably a book I will still write.

I have a lot to say about it.

I have a lot of experience with it for myself and my clients.

Like it's a good book.

But at that point where this new book unfolded,

If I would have forced that EFT book,

It looked very different than how the EFT book would look now if I write it,

But life would look very different.

I think sometimes when we know we're supposed to do something is very different than when we think we know we're supposed to do something or we're determined to do something,

Because there's this forcing that happens.

Whereas when we know,

Even though it's uncomfortable,

Or we don't really want to,

Or that wasn't ever our plan,

But we do it,

That's when there's more flow.

And all of a sudden the perfect people pop in and the perfect messages pop in.

I remember as I was writing and being open to switch to the new book,

I would hear from different people that had written books like New York Times bestsellers,

Or all of a sudden they'd have a blog that was the perfect words that I needed to hear to keep writing.

Or all of a sudden somebody would send me a book in the mail.

And I just remember getting this hardcover book in the mail and touching it and feeling it and going,

Oh,

My book's going to be a hardcover.

It's all those little things that happen in the flow when we go with what we know,

Even though there's no seemingly obvious plan to it or it doesn't make sense to us.

We just know through the guidance that we have to do it.

So that net appears over and over in very different ways.

Like little pieces of the net stitched together that all support you in the whole.

That magic just can't exist or we're not as available for it if we're stuck in the pushing and the trying to control and manipulate the circumstances based on what we think we need to do.

We're just in a completely different energy field,

I find,

That we're not as open to just trust in the flow and in what feels good and allowing ourselves to receive those little miracles and those little,

I think of them as reminders that you're on the right path when you get that perfect drop of wisdom that you need or whatever it might be.

But those things that it's like,

Ooh,

OK,

Yep,

I'm on it.

It's good.

It's all going to work out.

Yes.

Yeah.

Like you said,

It's all going to work out.

They're like little affirmations for us.

Like here you go.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And it is it's like it's coming back into what feels good and what like letting that be your compass.

But I guess I should maybe put a disclaimer on that.

It's like what feels good can still be scary and it can still be uncomfortable.

But it's that knowing beneath that fear,

Beneath that discomfort that it's like,

But it's right.

It's right for me.

Absolutely.

I remember the time that I received a message that I was supposed to move to Melbourne.

So I'd received that message.

And then I had met this lady and we were both at a vendor expo,

Like a psychic kind of fair.

And she said to me that day,

Be open to the opportunity to move as soon as June.

And I swear if I had water in my mouth,

I would have spit it out all over her in that time.

I'm like,

No,

I would be moving in October,

When my lease is up where I'm living right now.

I wouldn't move before then.

That wouldn't make sense.

So I remember the mind chatter going a mile a minute,

But my body was calm.

And I'm like,

Oh,

And then within the next few days,

I didn't purposely or consciously do this.

But I started talking as if I were moving in June.

And I'm like,

This is really interesting.

And so it's the mind chatter can go but when the body's calm,

The body knows because that's like you're aligned with your heart and soul then like,

And then it's just time to do whatever it says to do.

And the same time when I when I quit,

I gave my notice to my boss about leaving.

I remember like,

Okay,

God,

If you're really going to have me do this,

Then I'm expecting a miracle from you because I'm not ready to not have money come in,

Like from some kind of source on a regular basis.

So I'm doing this like you got to help.

And I remember then putting in my notice and I didn't have some solid concrete solution that yes,

You're going to be a consultant and I'm going to pay you this amount of money every month that wasn't like that.

But when I hung up the phone,

I felt this freedom.

And like,

Oh,

I really need to do this more than I realized.

And it's that feeling that lets us really know we're on the right path.

Not all this crap up here.

Because that crap up here is designed to keep you safe and safe equals what you've been used to safe equals playing small and like,

Sticking with the status quo,

But your soul and your heart,

Your body's wisdom knows that like,

No,

No,

No,

We got this.

There's more.

There's great out there.

Your mind wants to keep you in like,

Good enough.

But way better.

There is and we have to let go of that mind chatter and let go of the good to get to the great.

Absolutely.

Oh,

I just love your story so much because it's so clearly like you were so divinely guided and I do believe that we are always all being guided.

But some of us are more receptive to the guidance than others.

And it sounds like you were in a place where you were just very clear.

And you could hear those nudges,

The small ones first and then as it got bigger and more profound,

It's like,

Yep,

Okay,

I recognize this,

It's time to do the thing.

And I think having that,

So now I've had a couple of those big nudges that I followed.

And so it's easier and easier to recognize those nudges and surrender way quicker.

Like I still have some periodic temper tantrums like you want me to do what?

But then I get my little sarcasm in there.

I'm like,

Fine,

I'll do it.

But it's because I know from experience of having trusted before and having surrendered and having let go that I know it's going to unfold and be amazing,

Like way better than I could plan.

So it's easier and easier to let go once we take a big leap,

And the net catches us then we know okay,

Let me try that again.

Yeah.

So for people that haven't taken that big leap or really want to,

Or just about to it,

It does get easier to take those leaps the next time and the next time and you're gonna be fine.

You're gonna that net's gonna catch you just as long as you're in your heart.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And you're in your heart in the flow and trusting that you will be supported.

Yes.

Yeah.

Well,

Thank you for sharing your story so that more women can see evidence that that is true.

It's true for all of us.

We just have to step into that knowing that trusting the following the guidance,

Doing the thing that's scary and that maybe we don't want to do but we know we're being asked to do or guided to do or given that sharp elbow in the ribs.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Thank you for allowing me to be here and share it.

Yeah,

It's been a pleasure.

So for anyone listening,

Where can they find you on the internet and where can they go to learn more about your book,

Julie?

Oh,

Thank you.

So right now we're still in the middle of the pandemic that we have going on in 2020.

And so the book distribution process shifted and I am actually distributing books from my home.

And so if people go to juliejackie.

Com,

There's a book tab and they can order it and I'll sign it.

But my book is also going to be going to Amazon now that the book distribution channels have opened back up.

So that will be in August 2020.

My book will be going,

The hardcover will be going on Amazon and it'll trickle to other places as well.

And the ebooks available.

And I just finished recording my audio book and that's going to be out in August as well.

They'll be able to find it wherever they get their audio books like audible and other places.

Cool.

Yeah.

And I'm on Instagram,

I'm on Facebook,

I'm at Julie Jackie coach.

And I also do have a tapping community on Facebook that if people want to learn more about tapping and I have videos that they can tap along with and I go live in there periodically.

I have that too.

It's called tap together with Julie Jackie.

So cool.

And we'll link to all of that in the description and the show notes here because I am very confident that there's going to be women who fully resonate with your story and with you and you have such a like divine calming grounding presence.

I'm just so loving being in your energy.

Thank you.

Hmm.

Yeah.

Thank you again so much,

Julie,

For being on.

And yeah,

Pleasure to chat with you and just and I just want to say to thank you for following that guidance and for stepping into the the unknown of writing this book and sharing your story and playing a bigger game than maybe you even realized you were being asked to.

Thank you.

Oh,

Yeah.

Thank you.

Hmm.

So good.

Okay,

Well,

We'll wrap this up.

But all the best.

Thank you so much.

Thank you,

Chelsea.

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