The Expansive Power Of Pausing With Wearewildfeet

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Hi and welcome back to the Temple Podcast.

I hope that you're doing well amongst all this intense time,

Amongst all these changes,

These lockdowns,

These travel restrictions.

I hope that you're doing well.

This is a beautiful opportunity also amongst all this chaos to really slow down and reflect and take some time to really ask ourselves powerful questions.

And this episode really is about this.

We had a conversation with Nathan and Josie a couple of weeks back.

Nathan and Josie are the founders of Wild Feet and are beautiful examples of change-makers and creatives and people who are just wanting to be of service to our fellow humans in whatever way shape or form that they can.

And what emerged from this conversation was the need and the power of actually taking time to slow down,

To reflect,

And to ask ourselves important questions about our alignment and our integrity,

About our projects,

About our service,

And about how we want to show up in the world and how we want to express ourselves.

So I really hope you enjoy this episode.

It's perfect for these times that we're in when we have this opportunity,

But also sometimes the challenge to actually pause and to actually take stock of what we're doing in our lives.

And I really hope that you receive this wisdom and this information and take it in a very practical way for yourself to slow down and to ask yourself these same questions.

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Hello,

Hey Nathan,

Hey Josie,

Hey Rob.

Hello.

Hi.

Hello everyone.

Good to be here again.

Yeah,

Welcome back to the podcast.

Thank you.

Welcome back to the Temple.

I like seeing that as well.

So you're the second podcast that we're kind of circling back to people that have already been on the podcast with the intention of going deeper,

You know,

Going deeper with you,

Hearing more about who you are,

What you bring.

And also,

And I guess that maybe really specifically to what we're going to talk about today is like the journey that you've been on since that first podcast,

Which was when,

Like in April,

May and first six months ago.

That was probably May.

I think.

Yeah,

May.

It's good to be back.

It's nice.

And we recorded this round table a few hours ago,

Which was really juicy and probably inform a lot of our conversation today.

So to get us started,

Let's see,

I guess maybe to get us started,

Because some people might not have met you from the first podcast.

So maybe it's just,

You know,

A good thing to introduce yourselves,

Where you are and what you're currently doing or considering or contemplating.

How are you dealing with?

Yes,

I'm fine.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

Do you want to go first?

Yes.

So I am Josie.

I'm from Denmark.

And we are both currently living in Bali,

Indonesia.

We've been here in Bali since January.

So just before COVID happened,

Just before the lockdown,

And I know there's a thing just had an intention to do a little change from where we were before that,

Which was New Zealand.

And we were like,

Okay,

We're somewhere close we can go without having to fly around the world,

Try and do it as sustainable as possible.

Because we really needed a change and we were like,

Okay,

We're a good community that will be in Bali,

And it's a good place for entrepreneurs.

And we needed that kind of environment instead of traveling around in our van in New Zealand,

Which we did before.

So right now,

We're just working on trying to get clarity,

Being in the face of stepping back,

Gaining perspective,

And looking at all the different projects that we're working on.

And I guess kind of like trying to deal with having so much we want to do and realizing just the two of us is not enough hands in the projects.

Yeah,

I guess that's kind of where we are currently in this moment at.

Yeah,

So I'm Nathan,

The other half.

And I'm from England.

We're two individual people.

That's such a cultural thing though.

I know what you mean.

The other half.

The other half.

Yeah,

Well,

I think,

You know,

In our projects,

At least we are halves and also in our relationship,

We create a whole even though we are individuals.

We have a lot of individual things going on right now,

Which I think is also helping us gain that clarity.

And maybe the preamble to clarity is the chaos that comes.

And that's maybe what we're experiencing.

But to give a bit more context,

So when we spoke last in May or April,

Whenever it was,

We were kind of focusing a lot more on Responsible Van Life,

Which is an online platform that we create around living sustainably in vans,

Which is happening across the world.

There's a huge movement going on right now.

And we want to just make sure or provide a space where people can talk about sustainability within van life.

And then obviously,

The pandemic has happened and there's been this big upheaval throughout the world and for us as well as we've kind of navigated,

You know,

Ending up staying in Bali for a longer period of time than we ever expected and kind of realizing that we feel like we wanted to change what we were doing or find new things to do.

So we started a sustainable clothing brand and then we realized,

Oh,

God,

We've taken on another project,

Even though we're not really filling up our original cups,

Which is ourselves and the other projects that we've already started that we want to nourish and bring forward as well.

So you found us at a point where we are putting everything out on the board and deciding what do we want to do now.

So it's time for us to really pull all of our projects out on the table and recognize what is bringing value to us and what is creating the most impact out there and really trying to focus on finding collaborations,

Good collaborations within our community and maybe unknown collaborations that we don't have yet to kind of further our projects and hopefully help other people at the same time.

So,

Yeah,

That's kind of where we're at,

Just taking that time to gain clarity.

Yeah,

That's a really juicy thing to be doing right now.

I think it's for a lot of people that's going to be quite resonant.

Something to be kind of taking a step back and looking at our lives and witnessing and then really choosing kind of where we want to move forwards.

Is it something that you're finding easy to slow down and do or is it challenging?

I would say it's challenging.

Yeah,

It's actually very challenging,

Especially because a lot of these projects,

Like everything from our documentary we're producing,

Which is obviously still on hold because we're in Bali,

Two Responsible Van Life.

And then we have so many kind of like ongoing projects and we kind of just been,

I guess the past,

Well,

As of since we've been together and started our business three months after we met each other,

Kind of just been going somehow full speed at these projects and maybe lately just been kind of at the maintenance level and not at the accelerating level.

But somehow I find it challenging to sit down and then make choices and have to let go of some of the things because all of these things,

There's so much we want to do,

There's so much we want to give,

There's so much we want to learn.

That it seems like a big decision to let go or transform something or having a brand that's already established,

Maybe like Responsible Van Life and maybe having to merge it into something else or have to let go of it because maybe the simply reason that maybe it doesn't serve us right now.

I'm really intrigued because I think in the world at the moment,

Like this growth in a community around van life,

It just exponentially exploded this year because of COVID,

This desire to step off the track where people have been living for years and years and years.

And they suddenly had this opportunity to sit back and go,

Actually,

This isn't making me happy.

I want to do something different.

And so we know you're hearing all the stories and people on Facebook about people wanting to follow this life and it's a life that you were leading.

And yet you're still going through what everybody else is going through and needing to sit back,

Look at what you're doing with things and choose what feels right and move forward.

Yeah I like that reflection.

And like Nathan was saying,

Kind of like an opening,

Like how we are taking that step back,

Which a lot of people,

As you're saying,

Are doing in the world right now.

At least some people are choosing to wake up and realize,

Well,

The things that I've been doing,

Is that really what I want to do?

And it's the things I've been doing really going to take me to where I want to be as well.

And even though,

Maybe I've been fooling myself a little bit thinking I've been doing all the things I want to be doing.

And sometimes I guess I can find myself hiding under this more kind of like entrepreneur mindset kind of title and therefore just believing I am doing what I want to be doing.

And maybe thinking I don't really need to make a step back because I'm already on my own bus.

I'm living in Bali.

Exactly.

I'm already kind of like on that path.

But you know,

You probably never really going to get to that point where you shouldn't reflect on yourself and constantly ask yourself these questions and check in.

And the thing is,

Like,

Particularly responsible band life,

Although I think right now when we left New Zealand,

We could kind of feel a bit more detachment because we aren't living in a van and we still have the full intention to go back to Europe or wherever we're going to go and move back into van life,

Which is not suitable for being in an island in Asia.

And so,

You know,

We also have to question like,

OK,

This is maybe not right for us now because we're not living it.

But is it going to be right for us in the future when we are living it again?

And so another big question is like,

Are we intending to go on a hiatus or are we just going to continue with the minimal maintenance until we have the motivation to move forward or are we going to find a great collaboration,

Open up responsible van life to a greater number of people who also bring that motivation and allow that to flourish in that way?

And yeah,

I think it's such an incredible opportunity for us and everyone around the world to realise that,

You know,

We aren't on a treadmill like as much as it feels like we're on a treadmill and we always have to be taking a step forward.

We are fully in control of our next step.

And despite any challenges or any considerations for the outcome,

We should always recognise what we want our next step to be and make sure it's what feels best for us.

It doesn't have to be what's best for anyone else.

Firstly,

Serve yourself and then you serve others.

Yeah,

And you hit the nail on the head there with the with good questions.

It's all about the questioning.

I think this year,

If anything,

Is just allowing us to or allowing us or shoving in our face,

Depending on how you want to see it.

All these questions,

All these existential questions about like,

You know,

Ourselves,

What we're doing,

Our purpose,

Our relationships,

The way we're living on this planet,

The way we're being as a collective,

As a community.

And there's a lot of power in those questions.

So I'm curious a bit about and maybe you can,

Maybe they're non-specific,

But I'm curious about what are the questions that you have been,

You both have been asking yourselves and each other in this time?

Big question about questions.

I guess one of the really big ones is what,

Like,

What do we want to spend our time doing?

And I mean,

I can only speak for myself,

But when I'm asking this question,

I'm thinking about like all of these things I'm excited about in the world.

Like,

Am I doing them or am I just thinking about them?

And if I really want to do it,

How can I make space in my life to do that?

And so like climbing has always been a big passion of mine.

I've been climbing since I was 18 and the last few years I've kind of let that slide and not done it so much.

And now here in Bali,

We found a community of climbers and been able to take that opportunity to zone back in on what I love doing,

Which is getting on that wall and climbing it,

Not just thinking about,

Oh,

I can't wait to do that again,

But actually doing it.

So I guess,

Yeah,

That's a question that we've kind of thought about and acted upon almost immediately.

So we've been doing some other exciting things as well.

What about you?

I think maybe my questions have kind of been more toward,

Like,

Am I fully present every day?

Am I actually following my intuition?

Am I'm following my inner voice?

Am I feeling alive when I wake up?

Like looking at the things I'm doing,

Like,

Am I excited about it?

And even if I'm nervous or scared,

Are those things that take me,

Can I see that still as being part of my path to where I want to go?

So I guess my question has been more reflecting on my current situation and depending on the answer,

Therefore being,

Okay,

That will lead to the next question being,

Okay,

What can I learn to change?

What does make me feel alive?

And that's one of the things that since I dropped out of school and have one of my really big experiences in my life where I promised to myself that always do the things that makes you feel alive and never,

Never,

Never settle for less.

Because when you're feeling alive,

You're being 100% your truth and self and that's where you're living your fullest potential.

And that's where you can really truly show up for yourself and therefore for others.

And that's truly where I believe we're serving the collective.

I mean,

I think we all agree on the first step is to go inward and automatically that will manifest for the best for everyone else around us outwardly.

Yeah.

Oh,

I like that.

Yeah.

I'd like to be reminded of that Josie,

Because I think from what you both just shared,

I recognize in myself there's a not connecting with that self will and that sense of freedom to do what I feel is right for me in that moment in time.

And being in a space of not wanting to do something because I felt as though I'll be tied down or be committed to it.

And it's right now,

But what happens if it's not right in six months time or 12 months time?

So I don't do it because I'm scared of that commitment.

From what you've said,

If it's right now,

Then that's great follow it.

Because in six months time,

I still have that self will,

I still have that choice to wake up on that morning and go,

Is this the right for me and make a choice and change.

It's like with Responsible Van Life,

Like you're doing,

It's like,

What is right for me in this moment?

And following that,

That's really wise wisdom for anybody.

Yeah.

Yeah,

I really believe in that.

Because like when you're serving yourself in the present,

Which like ironically enough and cliche enough is all that exists,

But it's so damn true.

We,

You know,

Just spend so much time even with like our projects,

Like spend so much time.

Like,

Is this what we want to be doing?

Is this like what we want to be spending our 20s on,

Where like tuning it back into like,

How do I feel doing this right now?

And wow,

This,

You know,

I'm really excited about this.

This feels right.

I feel good doing it.

Good.

Like done.

Finish line.

Sweet.

That's going to for sure then take you like to all the places you're supposed to go.

Don't question it.

It's not your job.

Like,

Let it go and let God in kind of thing.

Which I've also been noticing actually,

It was a quote I saw in one of Wayne Dyer's books just two days ago now.

And that's it,

Let go and let God.

And I was like,

Gosh,

Like,

That kind of like living in philosophy,

I've completely dropped that over the past few months or a while.

It's kind of like let go,

But still try and figure things out where I'm like,

I know,

Of course,

There's a source that does,

You know,

Pump our hearts and makes the trees grow.

But I kind of for a moment forgot that that also applies to me in my life.

And you know,

It's not up to me to figure out the how,

Just as long as I know the why and,

You know,

My why is often do I feel good right now?

Like,

Does this feel good?

Whatever kind of emotions it does doesn't mean that it has to be,

You know,

Excited,

High energy kind of,

Woo woo,

Life is perfect.

But you know,

I often find also the emotions that's like sadness or reflective or more still emotions to be just as beautiful.

And I can find as much as yeah,

This feels good right now.

And like,

Because I'm in connection with myself,

And I'm in connection with everything else.

And that's it.

That's all that matters.

So the thought that immediately crossed my mind here,

And I'm sure it's perhaps a thought that might cross many minds of people who are listening is,

And I know exactly what you're speaking of.

And I'm inviting this as a question to all of us.

You know,

Thought that crossed my mind was,

Yeah,

But if I'm doing something that's good for me,

How do I know it's good for others or for the planet,

You know,

Because I could take pleasure in,

I don't know,

In beating someone up,

And that could feel good in the moment,

You know,

I could take pleasure in littering everywhere,

Or you know,

Polluting,

There could be a really like,

Pleasure in that.

So how,

How do we dance that line of,

Of knowing of it feeling really good for us inside?

And as you say,

It doesn't have to be,

You know,

This overflowing joy and ecstasy,

It can be just a quiet knowing or quiet bliss,

Or just a quiet peace.

How do we,

How do we walk that line?

It's a question for all of us.

How do we know?

With that phrase,

Let go and let God within.

It's about negative pleasure or littering,

Or beating someone up.

It's a strange example,

But I'll go with it.

My genius.

In that space,

You're connecting with separateness,

You're not seeing yourself as part of the whole,

You're not seeing yourself as part of divinity and God's creation,

If you believe in God.

So in that space of separateness,

You're feeling the pleasure that's purely related to you.

So you're not in the space of connected with everybody else around you.

So you don't feel it,

You know,

It's not part of your reality.

Whereas if you are connected with that space of oneness,

Then you won't find that pleasure in littering,

Because you will see the impact that has on people around you,

Nature,

Other animals,

The planet.

So that negative pleasure won't exist.

Yeah,

I agree with that.

I think it will become quite clear.

Like when it feels good and when it actually feels good,

I think your soul,

Your heart,

You know,

Deep,

Deep,

Deep down,

You know,

Even if you tell yourself it feels good to hurt others,

Like,

You know,

It doesn't.

I also think there's something to be said for acting out of your intuition in any sense of the way.

Like,

I don't believe it's right for anyone to cause harm to other people or to the planet.

But each individual is on their journey and withholding your intuition to do something is withholding yourself from receiving a great lesson.

So if you have an urge to punch someone,

And I hope you don't and maybe shouldn't do that,

But maybe there's a reason for that as well.

And in every sense,

The way you will come across some kind of redemption or some retribution from punching someone.

And with that mistake comes a great lesson,

You know.

And I think also tying back to our projects and anyone's projects,

If you are thinking about letting go,

Just always honour the lesson that comes with what you're doing.

And,

You know,

Maybe things haven't gone as you'd planned.

And that's fantastic,

Because it means you've made a mistake and learned something.

So allowing yourself to take those actions,

Maybe not punching someone,

Maybe not throwing them,

But,

You know,

There's something to come of all situations.

And similar to what you said,

We never know,

Maybe.

So,

You know,

I'll use the example of responsible van life or even something that me and Robbie are letting go of right now,

A collaboration.

Sometimes it's also like,

Because we were only ever designed to do the first step,

I really believe that.

And sometimes,

You know,

You just have to pass it on to someone else who's going to love it and nurture it and care for it in their own way.

Maybe that's also sometimes the letting go,

You know,

When a mother lets go of the child and they go to university.

It's the same thing with our projects sometimes and our creations.

Or like Rob and I used to run a social enterprise in London called the Thrive Foundation.

And,

You know,

We both moved to Crete and after a while it was obvious that it wasn't,

You know,

We couldn't just do it from a distance.

And so we let it go.

And it had its kind of five year shelf life,

You know,

It had its impact.

It had our learning,

Our growth,

You know,

It had so much beauty and things inside it and then it was complete.

So I'm wondering also if that's also part of the letting go,

Right?

In the letting go,

Letting God,

We don't know what that is.

There's this complete unknown that we have to open up to in those moments.

Yeah,

So is that where you're at,

You two of you,

In the unknown right now?

And how is that?

I would definitely call it the unknown.

Yeah.

It's,

Yeah,

Like what I definitely have been reflecting on is like how holding on to something keeps you away from the next step and how sometimes we just think that what we can think ourselves to is the only option to us.

And right now we may be,

Okay,

There's a handful of options and therefore we're not making decisions because we don't know which one of these handful of options we want to do.

But actually if we let go,

You know,

We only have 100% of energy in our day and like capacity in our hearts and minds.

And if that one thing is taking up such amount of space and energy of those 100%,

You don't have space for new things to come in.

And it's often in the act of letting go,

Like the answers will come.

And those answers can often be things that we could never think with our own thoughts and our own mind about.

And so I'm definitely at the place where I feel like the action of letting go is almost needed,

Because maybe we ourselves can't think ourselves to the next step of what we're not supposed to do.

And that can either be with or without a project that's responsible for our life.

But I feel like as soon as you let go,

Things change so quickly and the space is getting filled up with what was supposed to happen,

Because then you can let it in.

Love that.

I think that's the invitation to the world.

The world is on pause in many ways and we've been invited to go and look to see where we place our energy.

And I think there's a real risk for us to emerge the other side of a COVID-19 pandemic and just step back into what was without having really benefited from this process and take ourselves to step back and go,

You know,

What do I really want?

Where's my energy going?

And,

You know,

Stepping off that treadmill,

But if it's right,

Step back on it.

But if it's right to step on with one foot and have another foot climbing a cliff,

Do that.

Yeah.

We've all been invited to follow.

I think there's a real risk if you don't.

Yeah,

That's true.

Love that.

It's like we're being invited to also really let go of perhaps a way of being that didn't really serve us,

That was very disconnected from our humanity and nature.

I guess that's my hope anyway,

That's what life is really inviting us to do right now to contemplate,

To reflect,

To question and to let go of the aspects,

The ways of being that don't serve.

I know that's what I'm definitely seeing in my personal life and people around me,

Like it's really letting go of things either easily or actually with a bit of pain and conflict,

But letting go nonetheless of things that aren't actually,

I wouldn't use that word authentic,

That don't feel authentic to us.

That's it.

Yeah.

And I think also,

It's not just about,

You know,

Projects and opportunities and actions,

But also,

You know,

Taking the time to reflect on like,

What about our beliefs and our thoughts and how our mind has like subconsciously turned into working.

Like is there something there we can let go of?

Is there something there we can let go of that isn't authentic,

That isn't ours,

What's been imprinted by other people?

What's real and what's not real?

Not necessarily for everyone,

But for me,

Like,

Does this thing I'm being heard right now is this thing that my country is reacting to right now?

Is that like,

Question it.

And by observing yourself,

How is,

How's your,

What's your first reaction and that first reaction,

Who taught you to react that way?

And if you really tune in,

Like,

Do you believe in that and that you should react that way?

I think,

I think that's,

Well,

Definitely what's happening as well,

Or at least an opportunity that's been created.

Like both things is just as powerful and they go hand in hand.

It's kind of like if you do the one thing,

The other thing would happen as well.

If you change your life drastically now in 2020,

Because of COVID,

That probably means also because you changed some of your thoughts and your mindset and see things in a new way.

And vice versa.

So what could be for someone who kind of,

You know,

Might be listening and might go,

Yeah,

But how do I do it?

Like what would be a,

What would be a practice or a way that someone could,

Could invite that into their life?

Like,

I know,

You know,

There's no recipe and everyone is going to be different and really it's about making up our own ways with these things.

But I'm curious if we have,

You know,

Between the four of us,

Like a practice of practices that might just help people to,

To do that,

To reflect and to,

To let go and to choose and to really kind of discern what is honest and authentic to them.

I have some mother wisdom.

I remember 18 months ago,

Two years ago,

I was in a situation where I was coming into a fourth year of a four year,

A final year of a four year study to qualify as a body psychotherapist.

And the thoughts going around in my head were,

Well,

Do I need to do the fourth year?

Am I going to practice as a body psychotherapist?

I don't know if I want to be a body psychotherapist,

It's a lot of money,

It's more,

Thousands of thousands of pounds to do another year.

I'm just going to travel,

Going back and forth,

Having to find a client and give sessions and everything else.

And I was in this story in the future.

What do I,

You know,

If I do this now,

I have to do this in the future with it,

Otherwise it's not worth it.

And my mom said to me,

Are you enjoying it?

Does it bring you joy doing it right now?

And it was like,

Well,

Yes.

She said,

Well,

Then it's worth it.

Because if you're spending money on doing something that's bringing you joy and happiness now,

Then who knows what's going to happen in 12 months time,

18 months time.

But wouldn't you regret not being happy now because of it?

What's the stories,

What's the conditioning that's in my head that's telling me one thing and what's my truth?

Where's my real joy?

And recognising both of them and trying to find the path through.

Yeah.

Yeah,

Exactly.

I especially think observing yourself is a good place to start and also just to figure out this,

How you're feeling and what you're doing,

Where you're in your life is something that does bring you joy.

So like,

Give yourself the challenge of,

Okay,

Every single time I react,

Maybe instead of respond.

Yeah,

Let's just go with that and then promise yourself that you will at least try to observe and take a step back and ask yourself,

Okay,

What am I feeling right now?

What am I reacting towards?

And then dig a little deeper.

Okay,

If someone said something to you,

Why am I feeling these things?

Where does this come from?

And you know,

Often we can start with,

Well,

He said something that's not fair and we can end with,

Wow,

I maybe had an experience I wasn't aware of many years ago.

That was kind of the same thing and made me believe that I'm not good enough or I'm not something something.

And if we don't take the time to observe these kind of thought patterns and how we can like brainwash our body to react to certain situations.

And this applies to everything like a pandemic like this,

But also just where you can friendship and relationship and with yourself and where you are.

And I think this is a good place to start.

And then,

Then if you then feel like,

Okay,

It's because I believe this and ask yourself,

Okay,

Where do I have that belief from?

And do I believe in that belief?

And sometimes it can be super scary to ask yourself these questions because you can suddenly like think,

Well,

Who the hell am I then?

I thought all these things about myself I thought I knew,

Suddenly seems to be my mom and dad or my teachers or an old friends imprinting in me that I wasn't aware of.

Then what do I believe in?

But that's just like,

I get maybe a bit of ironically,

Like,

Congratulations,

You're in a beautiful journey.

Do you guys watch Westworld the show?

I did that.

You did?

I did that in California with my good friend.

That was a very special time doing that.

What Oh,

Yeah,

There's a talk about the TV show called Westworld.

Did you watch that?

Yeah,

The cowboys.

Yeah,

It's a kind of theme park with AI for those who don't know.

What I love about that show is that there's once these,

These,

These AI,

These robots on loops,

Like they have like these stories,

You know,

That are kind of imprinted from,

Let's call it say lifetimes of stories.

And they're kind of stuck on these,

And they call them loops.

And then there's some of them escape the path and they start to escape their loops.

And then they realize that us human beings are on similar loop,

Similar loops.

We are also on like these mental,

Emotional,

Behavioral loops that we didn't realize that we're in.

We don't,

We don't,

We don't recognize that we've been passed on this way of being from ancestors,

From culture,

Society,

You know,

We think we've made it ourselves or we think that we have,

You know,

We're independent,

But actually we're carrying these loops.

And from what you're speaking to right now,

There's what we're kind of,

This whole podcast has been about is really this opportunity that we have right now to,

To pause and to like ask ourselves,

You know,

Actually notice,

As you say,

To notice that we actually on a mental,

Emotional,

Behavioral kind of pattern or loop and to start to kind of give it a bit of space and go,

Ooh,

Okay.

I'm realizing that,

You know,

I'm just a,

I'm just getting into the same,

Same relationships time and time again,

You know,

This is a loop.

So what can I do about it?

You know,

Or more subtle of,

You know,

I'm noticing that I wake up and I just do this every single day.

You know,

That's another kind of loop that I'm in.

Is this really honest and sincere and authentic to me?

Yeah.

I love that invitation,

You know,

Through this conversation to just pause a bit,

Just kind of slow down and be okay with the slowing down and reflecting.

I think the word that comes in and break,

Break the loop and break the loop.

Yeah.

Escape the park.

That TV show is very deep.

Yes.

Yeah.

We should go back to watching it.

Yes.

Yeah.

Third series is when it starts to come together.

Where's the courage,

Like seeing the two of you sort of being able to sit back and pause and put everything on the table.

And like you say,

You can look at their sort of loops of patterns of behavior and belief.

I think as human beings,

Even when we go through that process and recognize them,

There's parts of us that doesn't want to change.

Because if we change,

We then say to ourselves,

Well,

All of the stuff that I've done things then was kind of stupid.

It's like I could have been,

I hadn't got awareness.

I don't want to judge ourselves.

So we just continue on that loop because it's easier than feeling silly or judging yourself in some way for not having known that or being aware of something at the time.

Whereas actually,

If I say,

Well,

I can see that I'm reacting to this person because of the way I react or someone else reacted to me on the rugby pitch when I was 16 years old.

I'm not seeing the person in front of me now,

I'm seeing that story of me as a 16 year old boy and like how I felt in that situation.

And it takes courage to go,

I've been doing that.

I've been on that loop and I've reacted to people,

I've been in relationships.

So I've created a life manifested for myself based on that past conditioning.

And I think what you're saying is you're following your courage,

You're stopping in your pauses and looking to see what works and what doesn't work.

And it's very rather than a conditioned belief as to this is what we should be doing.

That's very true.

Yeah,

For sure it takes immense courage and strength to step out of any situation,

I think,

Because it's always so much more comfortable even if it's painful and not serving us to stay in that place.

And I do believe that's something that both me and Josie have just from,

I don't know where it comes from,

But something that we've always been very good at is stepping into change and making that happen.

And I think travel has been such a big part of that,

Like changing our environment completely gives you a fresh perspective on life.

And yeah,

Regarding like going back to your question,

Ed,

About like what can people do in this situation now if they want to make a change or find a way to assess what they're doing and whether it's serving them.

I think something that's really powerful is having a bucket list,

Which is,

You know,

Maybe it's very cliche to have a bucket list,

But you know,

When you just sit down and you write stuff like,

Oh,

I just want to do this,

I want to do this,

I want to do this.

And I think for a long time,

Like a bucket list is kind of like an idea of all of these dreams that we're never going to reach.

But I think the original intent of that was to take them off.

And we can do that.

There's literally nothing stopping any of us from taking off our entire bucket list,

Except ourselves.

And getting it down on paper and just starting with one and fitting one into our lives and seeing how we can do that.

It's not going to happen overnight.

But you know,

When we're working towards something that we believe is one of our dreams in our lives,

Then we're going to feel a lot more in the present moment and in ourselves that we are on the right path.

And even if along that way,

It turns out that it's not something that we particularly do want to do in the end,

It was just the idea of it sounded nice.

At least we know that we've followed that line of inquiry to the point where it doesn't serve us anymore.

And there's nothing wrong with failing at things.

Well,

That's only very encouraged in that you stepped up for yourself and you followed your intuition,

Which is a celebration in itself and a lesson in it too.

But having said all of that,

I think there's also something to be said for dedication and particularly when you have long term visions and goals.

Like it's important to find a balance between just giving up and moving on to something else and really feeling into,

Okay,

There's hard work to be done.

When we move through that,

We will start to feel more in flow with what we're doing.

I think sometimes that is needed as well,

Although finding the balance is difficult for sure.

So,

Where does it jump into my head just listening to what you're saying is,

And even the words before us,

Exploring the commitment to integrity,

To being in integrity with our hearts and our longings and our dreams and how life wants to express itself through us.

And that commitment,

I guess,

Can have different forms because it can have the form of pausing and laying things out on the table and really tuning into,

Am I in integrity if I'm doing this?

What do I need to tweak or let go of?

And it also comes in,

As you say,

That commitment to doing the hard work when we need to do it,

Actually showing up to climbing the mountain,

Even though it's really challenging because you know that the view at the top is just going to be amazing and that's where you want to be anyway.

And from everything we're sharing today,

I love this word commitment to integrity because it just invites,

It's not even about doing or not doing,

It's about how you are in the world in life.

And I really feel for all three of you,

And I know that from knowing you,

That commitment to authenticity and integrity,

That's just so powerful.

Knowing that,

So go ahead Rob.

I think there's real wisdom there for,

I think for people who might call themselves creatives or entrepreneurial,

Like there's this constant flow of energy of creation and something new.

And there's a real calling to also connect with that admin of life.

It's like,

We also need admin.

And there's a dealing with that side of life for people can be quite difficult.

Other people love it,

But it's like also being willing to do the one thing in order to facilitate the other.

It's really important to recognise.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I would say listening to like hearing your reflections,

That makes me also remember that there's a time for everything.

And like often I think we can feel,

Or I can feel that maybe sometimes that,

Oh shit,

I'm off my path because I'm not feeling as inspired anymore.

But knowing,

And also what you're saying,

If I'm with like,

You know,

The balance between dedication and stillness and reflection,

Just as an example.

And I think maybe sometimes we forget that's natural rhythm in us,

Feeding inside of us.

And we're just as much nature as the tree that goes through four seasons.

And that,

I mean,

Just look at all females,

Like we go through,

Well,

You have a lunar phase and in that phase there's four different phases.

And if you actually dive into it,

Each phase over a 28 day period of the 28 day cycle.

We go through four very extreme different phases.

One is made for resting.

One is made for more kind of like showing up in the world and networking and being out there and taking actions.

And another one is more to reflecting and detoxing.

And then there's another one to take care of yourself.

And it's the same with,

You know,

Like our eating habits.

And I think like,

At least for me,

That,

As I said before,

Sometimes when I feel like,

Oh,

I'm not feeling as inspired,

Does that mean I'm off my path?

Does that mean I'm doing something I'm not supposed to be doing?

I think I'm simply just forgetting that,

You know,

I also go through phases and that's okay.

And to embrace each phase is something that I forget to do.

But as soon as I am being reminded of it,

Everything kind of makes sense.

Okay,

This time now is not made for action.

This time now is made for something else that's just a valuable and that would be another time for action.

I think that that's a big lesson.

Yeah,

It's the cycles of life,

The typical nature of life.

Yeah,

Beautiful.

Wonderful.

We have another five,

Ten minutes left if we want to.

If you feel like there's more,

I'm curious.

Yeah,

I'm curious if there's any questions or anything else that you want to say or share or add to the conversation towards what's already been spoken.

There's so much to say.

Yeah.

Yeah.

An hour's too short.

And what?

An hour's too short.

You could spend the whole day talking,

But I think maybe,

I don't know,

A podcast of ten hours could be an interesting experiment.

You might lose a few listeners.

Yeah.

No,

I feel very.

.

.

Yeah,

I think.

.

.

Yeah,

Go ahead.

I was just going to reflect on some of the things that we've been doing in the last week or so,

Which has kind of been through the process of us kind of thinking about,

Okay,

What do we want to do?

And then stepping into doing it and doing something different.

For example,

We actually spent the last ten days,

Well,

It was a few days ago now,

But the ten days before that,

Training to be raw vegan chefs.

And that's something that we're massively inspired by,

Food and creating amazing food.

And there's such an opportunity to be like,

This is on our bucket list,

So let's do it.

And we've taken that space to just separate ten days out to really just focus on that.

And that was really amazing.

And not knowing necessarily what we can do with it besides knowing ourself even deeper and having even more wisdom.

What's the excitement out of having this knowledge now?

What's going to happen?

It's an unknown feeling,

But it feels good.

And as you said,

Robbie,

If we don't do anything with it,

We were happy to be doing it.

We made some amazing food,

We met some amazing people,

And we gained some knowledge,

Which we will certainly use in our own kitchen,

If not elsewhere.

So it's totally worth it.

No regrets.

And it goes back to your idea of the bucket list,

Doesn't it?

Of writing down what is it that you're curious about,

What inspires you,

What you want to see in the world,

What you want to explore and experience.

And without knowing how that links together,

I mean,

It's interesting to hear the two of you share that you're putting things on the table and assessing things.

It's actually also really inspiring.

I've been one of those also,

Who've got tons of projects on and tons of ideas and always fresh inspiration and finds it hard to let go of them once they're in my mind.

And I love the idea of,

So part of me loves this essence of,

Yeah,

Just go out and explore and try things,

You know.

And the other part of me goes,

Yeah,

But how do you,

I need to know,

You know,

How to weave that into what I'm doing.

There's that kind of side of it as well.

And yeah,

So the two are here,

Like this is very much as playful curiosity about,

Oh,

It sounds amazing to check,

You know,

A raw vegan course or to just go out and explore and do different things.

So yeah,

At the same time,

There's a part which I would call it a loop actually,

Which is yeah,

But you have to weave it into what you're doing.

You have to,

You know,

Make it serious and make it something.

Yeah,

Exactly.

Make sense of it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I think,

Ed,

What you,

Maybe this is a few months back now,

But I saw on your social media that you went on,

You went out into the,

Into the nature for just a few days to,

Yeah.

And I think maybe that's something that everyone should be doing more often,

Like actually just stopping life,

Stopping the loop completely and taking two days away to reflect because we can talk about like pausing and reflecting as we're doing in the pandemic,

But we still have some kind of semblance to what our life is.

And when we're in that motion of doing it,

It can be difficult to really step away and have that reflection.

So really like switching everything off and just being somewhere.

I mean,

It can be at home,

It can be at like a retreat centre as well,

Like doing a vipassana in nature or in nature.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Fantastic.

Yeah.

It's about creating that container,

Isn't it?

Like really creating a space for yourself,

Even if it's an hour and a half or a week or something in between an hour and anything from an hour and a half to like seven days of really switching off phones and giving ourselves space to listen.

So yeah,

I've been really inspired to,

I haven't told you this Nathan,

But after I did my vipassana in Sri Lanka last year,

We were encouraged to do silent days or silent weeks or silent months to of course,

To the extent that you can integrate that into your life,

But not necessarily meditate,

But just so for example,

Me and Nathan,

We could just agree tonight that,

Okay,

Tomorrow it's going to be a silent day.

And how much like wisdom that comes from that.

I think maybe if like we all did that at least just once,

First of all,

One of the biggest lessons is like how much unnecessary kind of like dialogue or energy we use in things that actually doesn't really matter is one of like typical,

One of the biggest lessons has come out of it.

And then that's like just a long row of other reflections and insights and high experiences from having bad,

Oh,

I'm about to say something and then be like,

Well,

I'm just asking this because I'm not asking myself first,

What should I do?

Or I'm about to say something.

Is that actually valuable to say?

I'm about to say,

Does that actually serve?

And why do I have this need to say stuff all the time?

So if you don't have the opportunity to maybe take a few days out in nature,

Like straight away,

You can well,

You know,

Let your family know that tomorrow I'm going to be silent all day.

Yeah,

Great one.

That's really good.

I think we should do that tomorrow.

Yeah,

I like that idea.

Me too.

And I was so good to connect and hear from you,

Both of you.

Yeah,

Rob,

If there's anything else you want to add,

I want to ask you that as well.

And then maybe you can share Nathan and Josie like how people can connect with you now as well,

If they want to connect with you deeper.

I was just gonna say it's really nice to hear both of you having self respect for your own needs and for each other.

The idea of,

As Ed was saying,

Being able to go,

This is what I need right now.

And I respect myself enough to give me this or you saying,

You know,

I need to,

We really want to do this thing that's on our bucket list.

And we'll respect our needs and our joy for wanting to do that,

Even though it might have an impact on the things that we might have otherwise,

Other people might expect us to have been doing over that 10 days.

It's like that choice to respect yourself is really inspiring.

And I think it's something we can all learn from.

Yeah.

Thank you.

I think it's meant to integrity.

Yeah.

As best we can.

Yeah,

As best we can.

In a human way.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well,

Um,

For connecting with us,

I suppose,

I mean,

Which ones do we talk about now?

Yeah,

That's the final question.

The dilemma.

Yeah.

We need to find the answer in just one hour.

Well,

You can definitely connect with us on kind of like,

We are wild feet.

That's the name both Nathan and I,

We go under.

So on Instagram,

It is we are wild feet out in one go.

And the same with our website,

Www.

Wildfeet.

Com.

And then I have a personal page,

Which is Josephine Blasfeld on Instagram.

And so do you.

Yeah.

And then of course,

As well,

We do have responsible van life still up and running on Instagram.

And social media.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I think that.

Go ahead,

Rob.

He's gonna say what's the website for responsible clothing?

Because that's what I'm really interested in.

Yes.

Okay.

Well,

So actually,

We didn't get to speak about that.

But we are the clothing brand is called equal kind.

So it's www.

Equalkind.

Com.

You can also go to www.

Wearewildfeet.

Com and you'll be able to navigate from there.

So because we had like,

We have so many social media accounts,

We're actually merging equal kind back into we are wild feet.

So we are wild feet is the place to go.

And then from there,

You can always navigate to all of the other projects and interesting things that we're participating in.

Do you want to speak to that couple of minutes about equal kind,

When you get a chance to really go into it?

Yeah,

For sure.

So we started it,

I guess,

About three months ago now.

And we had a bit of a soft launch.

And we we basically decided in one month to we wanted to create this more of a slow fashion brands around like creating clothing,

Which is made with kindness and is kind of giving out that message of kindness for for kind people to wear.

And so what we've done is collaborated with another company to create like 100% organic cotton clothing.

And all of this clothing is recyclable.

So you can send it back to the company when you're done with it,

And they will turn it back into new clothing.

So this is really like,

One of the fundamentals is we wanted to make it sustainably and show that there are ways of creating clothing that isn't fast fashion,

But can still be affordable.

And and yeah,

That's that's kind of where we're at.

We're we're also creating collections around different topics such as animal liberation,

Climate change,

And water health,

And bringing in that kind of like,

Our creativity and our take on these topics,

And putting them into our clothing into our designs,

And then also donating part of the profits from that clothing to a nonprofit or a change maker working in that specific area.

So again,

We're always kind of thinking about how can we build this into a cycle?

And how can that cycle serve a purpose greater than us and the people who are buying the clothing?

So that's it in short.

If you go on to the website,

We have the entire process.

So you can read about how it's all made.

And yeah,

Maybe buy some clothing if you like the designs.

And that's equalkind.

Com.

Yeah,

Great.

Perfect.

And yeah,

Just a quick one on top of that,

And that has actually led us to a new little project in Bali that we've been spending some time doing lately.

And with the whole thought of like,

Equal kind and kind people doing kind things.

We were like,

Why Why do we not like reach out,

Like make a post and he in Bali about we want to highlight some kind people doing kind things in Bali.

And so over the past,

I guess,

Two months,

We've been around filming for different amazing human beings doing amazing things.

And for planet or for animals,

And for each other,

And both summers COVID related and some is not.

And then we're making small two,

Three minutes video about it.

And then how,

Like people can continue to support them with kind of like the purpose and the goal of showing people that you don't need to be extraordinary to do something kind in the world.

Like this is completely normal people just thinking,

Okay,

How can I do a little act of kindness and that has manifested into either like a big beautiful thing or it's just like one project and and there's some amazing stories and there's way too many for us to be able to come with our cameras and we're just on a little tiny island in Indonesia.

So this is probably always gonna take us to many beautiful places.

It's beautiful coming out and hearing people's story of why they're doing it and being able to bear witness to that and and share it to the world.

Yeah.

That's beautiful as the power of filmmaking as well.

Well thank you for doing what you're doing.

Thank you for being here today.

And yeah,

I look forward to more connection and more more conversations soon.

Yeah,

Thank you for having us back.

It's Yeah,

It's really good to be here and be talking about this and you're helping us through what we're thinking about.

As always,

Thank you for that.

And great to see you,

Rob.

It's been a while.

So,

So happy to connect again and receive some of your wisdom.

Yeah.

It's so beautiful to see where the temple also is going and we're big supporters of it and yeah.

Thank you.

Yeah,

It feels like we're having to be a part of it.

Yeah.

These conversations are like for me,

The blocks of it,

The meat of it,

You know,

Bringing these topics into the mainstream conversation.

Like I'll always remember,

My mum said to me a couple of years ago,

She said,

At the beginning when you were speaking,

You know,

Spiritual things and love things,

Like she felt a bit of a reaction.

But after a while she realized that she wasn't giving herself permission to experience and speak about those things.

And so after a while she was,

Well,

She started to give herself more that permission to allow that as that part of herself.

And my hope is with what we're doing,

We're bringing,

We can support the movement towards being spiritual values,

You know,

Love,

Compassion,

Kindness,

Like you're saying,

You know,

Back to conversation in business and society,

Culture and other places.

The conversation is really powerful.

I feel so thank you so much for having one with me.

Enjoy the day.

Bye bye.

Lots of love.

Thank you.

See you in six,

Matt.

Yes.

Bye bye.

See you in six,

Matt.