Your Experiences Are Your Medicine With Maddie Mackey

I am like such a strong believer for anyone who's like a healer or guide or,

You know,

However you reference yourself in that way,

Your experiences or your medicine.

And I mean,

Truthfully,

It's like,

We could even think of like a dentist.

Would you hire a dentist who doesn't have like an excellent oral hygiene routine?

Like,

Would you want to coach who isn't receiving regular coaching?

You know,

These kinds of things,

You just,

Once we start to think of them,

We're like,

Yeah,

We all really need to be doing that inner work or our whole system just doesn't flow properly.

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Hello,

I'm here with Maddie Mackie,

Trauma recovery coach and the host of the Online Mastery podcast.

Welcome,

Maddie.

I'm so happy to be here with you.

Hi,

It's so nice to be here.

Thanks for having me.

Yeah,

My pleasure.

You had reached out not too long ago and I was just,

I saw your Instagram private presence and I saw just like you and your vibe and your story and I knew that I had to have you on and I wanted to showcase you and where you've been and kind of your story,

What you've,

I say been through as if it's this journey and this struggle,

But just your story and your vibe so that we can share that with everyone listening.

So why don't you tell us a little bit about what you're up to in the world now?

Thank you.

Yeah,

I mean,

It is,

It was a journey and a struggle for a while.

So that is not a lie and no doubt about that.

However,

It was a nice journey where I got to get to that like final peak,

Which I feel like I'm in now where I have my business Rise Above Yoga,

Where I teach yoga and offer trauma recovery support services.

I host women's business groups and do web design and inner child healing and a mixture of a bunch of fun stuff.

And I'm a mom to an eight month old baby and we're living here in San Diego just loving life.

So I mean,

It truly is the other side of that journey that I'm now in.

And these are like the parts of life that I was wondering,

You know,

Would I ever have a baby?

I had a lot of womb health issues.

I didn't actually think I would.

And then what do you know,

This happens unexpectedly.

So I mean,

It is just a really juicy place to be.

And I'm so grateful to be able to share it with the online community and be here with you.

Speaking of the online community,

Just like hearing that list of everything you do,

It's like you kind of cover a lot.

I was going to say all of the bases.

I'm sure there's it's like infinite,

All of the work and all the things that we are here to do and to look at and to heal.

But it's like the yoga.

So the body,

The embodiment,

The movement and all of that,

The online presence stuff,

And then that inner work that is so near and dear to my heart,

It's like you can have an online presence and you can show up and you can even be of service to some extent.

But if you haven't done that inner growth and that inner healing and the trauma recovery that you help with,

It's like your impact can only be so deep because you've only gone so deep into yourself.

Oh yeah.

I am like such a strong believer for anyone who's like a healer or guide or however you reference yourself in that way,

Your experiences or your medicine.

And I mean,

Truthfully,

It's like we could even think of like a dentist.

Would you hire a dentist who doesn't have an excellent oral hygiene routine?

Would you want to coach who isn't receiving regular coaching?

You know,

These kinds of things you just,

Once we start to think of them,

We're like,

Yeah,

We all really need to be doing that inner work or our whole system just doesn't flow properly.

Your experiences are your medicine.

I just wrote that down because that's it.

It's like your experiences are unique to you,

A,

And B,

Your experiences and your growth and your diving into your inner world and you looking at your story.

Maybe it goes back to childhood.

Maybe it's something more recent,

But anything that's kind of heavy or weighing you down or it's sticking with you,

That is the stuff that when you do that work to overcome,

You have such a new,

How do I want to say it?

It's like you have a new perspective to come from and you have new learning and new experiences,

A new insight that you can then take and share with your audience.

So it's not only just that that work is crucial for you to step up and for you to grow as a human and to hold the vibration of where you're going,

But it's also like it's then that that you get to take from to create your offerings or to create content,

To have a conversation with a client.

And I often find that the things that I'm going through and struggling with and overcoming are the things that I'll have a client a few weeks later that's going through the same thing.

Same.

Oh my goodness.

I totally resonate with that.

It's so true.

And the thing with the client,

The same things coming up like total mirrors.

I always notice that in the weirdest ways,

Whether it's my relationship or family stuff.

I'm like,

Well,

That's weird.

I've been noticing that with other people too.

So it just starts to become,

I don't know,

It just seems like it's almost a collective reality with some of those kind of things.

I could go off the deep end with that topic.

No,

I think even if you did,

You'd be in good company here because that's it.

We're all mirrors for each other.

And it's like,

Once we start to look at something within ourselves,

Something,

You know,

Maybe a bit of work that we have to do or something that's really grinding our gears and we want to look at and we want to overcome or whatever,

We're going to see that stuff in the world around us.

Just like when you start thinking about a car,

If I'm thinking about a red Porsche,

Go outside and I see a red Porsche.

It's that same type of reflection back to us that's such a gift.

It's such a gift,

Even when it's the most frustrating things that we see or we experience or we have to go through with other people.

But it's the same thing with our clients.

It's the same.

They maybe see that in us.

We're here to hold space and we've done that work and then we can help them through it.

But I think all of that to say just how important it is to first be doing the work on yourself.

Yeah.

I mean,

It truly is.

And I'm thinking back of all of my off brings and all the kind of things that I do in the world.

And I'm like,

Yeah,

One specific one is for breakups and heartbreak healing.

I didn't film that when I was in a happy relationship.

I filmed some of the more healing videos more later on after I had healed.

But some of those really potent videos were filmed when I was in that same situation and totally going through it.

So thinking like that,

It's just so interesting because I was speaking from such a place of vulnerability and authenticity that someone who's watching those videos,

I feel like the empathetic connection is going to be so different.

Although now I can recall those memories and it's still important that we remember our medicine.

It's just that vibration of the timing I think is really interesting too.

And Shosa,

You were human.

I know authenticity is big for you.

And it's like,

When we try to.

.

.

I've been here,

I've been the person that shows up online and it's like,

Maybe not as comfortable with who I am on a deep level.

So I,

In my early days in my business,

Would show up as this persona or as this version of myself,

This filtered,

Maybe watered down version,

And then kind of playing up the parts of me that I felt were worthy of love,

Worthy of being seen,

Worthy of putting out there.

And it's just,

It's hard to resonate and really connect with someone when that's who they're seeing or that's how you're showing up.

Because at the core of that was like,

On some level,

I didn't feel safe to be human,

To be all of me.

Yeah,

That makes a lot of sense.

And it makes me think about all of the different,

I don't know what the right word is,

Like stereotypes or whatever,

Of the healing community.

And we have the priestess and the dark goddess and all these things.

And in the beginning of my journey,

A huge part of that was like,

Oh,

I need to be one.

But I'm not the priestess.

I wanted to be the freaking priestess so bad.

And I wanted to be this white gown,

Soft,

White gown,

Soft ass woman who's quiet and more on the submissive side,

If anything.

And I was like,

I'm gonna be it.

And I felt like I was gonna freaking explode like a firework,

Because I'm a fire sign,

I'm a Sagittarius.

There is no quiet in my reality.

And there is no way in earth I was gonna be a priestess.

I have moments of being a priestess where I can fully,

Comfortably embody that.

But I wake up and I'm like,

I'm a go girl.

So there was things like that where I realized like,

Oh,

We don't have to just pick one.

We don't have to just have one label in the healing aspect.

I don't have to just have one service or offering with my business.

If I'm good at a lot of things,

I should embody all of them when I feel called.

And that's just a huge part of getting comfortable being like,

Yeah,

I'm great at this,

Great at this.

You want to keep listening?

Because I got a long list we could go on all day.

And as we add those in more and more to the list,

That's how we activate our abundance and how we really tune into attracting friends and clients and romantic relationships and all that kind of stuff into our life that we all crave.

Right?

Because that's the fully integrated you.

We're not just one person or one archetype or one whatever element or however you want to look at it.

We are so multifaceted.

And especially as women,

We flow through those different versions.

And it's something that I think if we don't give ourselves permission to do that,

And then as well,

Another layer to that is when you do have an online presence,

You are showing up and you're being quite visible and you're like,

Oh my God,

I don't feel like who I have portrayed myself to be.

Today I feel like this wild woman or this priestess or this freaking mermaid.

I don't know.

And it starts with us giving ourselves permission to be all of those things,

I believe.

Oh yeah.

And there were so many outside circumstances in my life that I was just afraid to show up because I'm like,

Well,

What if this person or this client or this family member sees or I know they're not going to agree,

They're going to have judgment.

And those used to be periods of time that would take years or months to get over.

And now it's literally days.

I'm just like,

Oh,

I'm going to post about a yoni wand.

I know that's going to shake some waters up for some people in my family or non-believers or that stuff.

So then I'm like,

Ah,

Whatever.

Just post it.

It's more like a joke at this point with love because it's almost like a test of do you truly unconditionally accept me or not?

Yeah.

And it gets to the point,

I think,

When you're so invested in your work and your message and the service you're here to be of in the world,

It starts to lose its impact.

Like the caring about what people think,

It just,

It doesn't matter as much because the message,

The service,

The work,

The impact is 10 times,

100 times more important than what your great aunt might think.

Right.

And if I'm being completely honest,

Like most of anyone who's ever like come at me with resistance,

Like without me,

You know,

Initiating anything,

I'm like,

Oh,

You're definitely someone that I would put on the list of could probably benefit from this work,

You know,

But let's not,

Let's not talk about that right now.

Hey though,

With that,

It's like trusting that the seeds we plant with our content and with our our message and how we show up,

It's seen by people and you know,

There's that there's quite a spectrum between like the resistance and the people that are going to full on call you out and ring you out on your Facebook or Instagram or whatever.

All the way to the other end of the spectrum is people that are like loving everything,

Sharing your stuff,

Bringing people to you,

Whatever.

And it's such a spectrum,

But there are people all along that spectrum and they they're going to change.

So there's going to be the people that maybe start off thinking like,

Oh my God,

What is she talking about?

Yoni won.

I don't know about that.

I think this girl might be crazy.

Who knows a few weeks,

Few months later,

That person might be like,

Oh my God,

I'm so glad I was introduced to that.

And maybe I'm even really glad that I leaned into that,

Like being a tiny bit triggered or like thinking,

What the hell is this to opening my eyes up to what this might create for me or make available for me or I get to experience now because I I now it's in my awareness.

Right.

That's so true.

Oh my gosh.

I just like resonating.

I can just think like a million moments in time.

And I what came up when you said all that I was thinking about like the judgment and I was surprised because like I haven't received like as much negativity as I would have expected to online over all of these years with the vulnerability.

I mean,

Other than like family and like little things.

But that was honestly mostly just fears.

And realistically,

Nobody ever said anything.

They probably thought it.

And like,

If you're an intuitive empath,

You probably felt it felt them thinking about it,

You know,

Just deep down.

But yeah,

But I did recently have some that came up and it was it was like a very public situation I had to handle.

And I was like,

Oh my gosh,

Like I had never it felt like high school drama,

Like being attacked for my work,

You know,

And I was like,

Wow,

Okay,

We really need to handle this with love and grace and publicly deal with someone's trigger.

It was like a whole ordeal that ended up in like,

Unfortunately having to block the person because it was getting kind of out of hand.

But I do like,

Not like in the moment,

You know,

Mean things are said to me that I was like,

Oh,

You know,

It's not very nice.

But I took a few seconds and I was like,

Wow,

You know,

We have to think like,

Does this person mean this as a person know you enough to say these things.

And I had to really like coach myself through that moment.

Because it was like,

It was like comparable to high school drama,

Like if you had that or like can remember that kind of vibe.

And I was really caught off guard.

So I don't often experience that.

I know more people who talk about more controversial things probably do.

And I'm very quick to the block button.

So that helps.

But I just,

I'm wondering,

Like,

Have you heard of more people experiencing that?

Not specific details,

But I just,

It keeps coming into my awareness around like,

The more you step up,

The more visible you are,

The more,

Maybe it's not so much the more people are going to dislike what you have to say,

But more thinking of it from the place of,

It's almost like that's how you know you've made it,

If we ever make it.

But it's like,

That's a sign that people are seeing your stuff.

And that means enough people are seeing your stuff that you're reaching even the ones that are like,

I don't know about this,

Or they're going to be quite vocal about that.

But it's just part of it,

I think part of what we get to experience to grow from as we step up as leaders in the online space,

Because the internet is like the entire world.

Oh,

Yeah.

So it's like,

Even,

Yeah,

There's just,

There's so,

So much potential for that.

So it's something that we get to,

I don't even want to think of it as like,

Grow a thick skin around,

But it's just another aspect that we get to navigate and we get to experience.

How do we handle this with love?

How do we stay in our heart and stay true to our message and our work without getting swayed into,

Oh my God,

This person from high school doesn't like what I had to say.

And now I'm gonna,

Like you said,

It probably for me would have been days,

Weeks,

Months,

Who knows that it would throw me off my game,

But now it's just like,

No,

I'm so committed to what I'm here to do that,

That I'll let it affect me for like,

As long as I need to feel into whatever needs to be felt there.

But ultimately I'm here to serve.

I'm here to do something that's so much bigger than anyone's opinions.

Exactly.

That's where I'm at with it.

Like all about killing them with kindness.

There's just like zero time for drama and like kind of bouncing off what you were saying,

Like when we're doing the work and we're,

You know,

We're coaching and doing the work,

Like we're way more likely to be staying in our integrity in like every other moment in our life too.

You know,

In like the tough moments behind the doors,

The ones that are not going on Instagram or insta live about.

And I've really noticed that with my practice,

It's just like the more clients I'm consistently taking on,

Not necessarily more,

But when it's consistent,

I am like constantly talking about these great tools to use and these ways of being that it's like,

It would be silly if I wasn't daily utilizing them.

So it does really,

I think it really helps keep me accountable.

Do you feel that way?

Yeah,

Absolutely.

Like when I'm in,

I'm diving into something,

Whether that's like,

Um,

Talking about it just in my content or creating a whole program around it,

Or even if it's just something that's on my,

Like in my awareness,

I'm living it.

Like we're being called to step up in those times into a deeper embodiment of that thing,

A deeper understanding of what it is.

And we're being asked to live it.

I mean,

If we're going to be the leaders of whatever it is and by leader,

I mean,

That can just be,

You know,

A conversation with a friend where you're sharing something and you're lifting someone up to,

I want to say your level,

But that's not quite the imagery that I want to portray where like we're one above the other,

But a leader doesn't have to mean you have a big presence,

You're an influencer,

You're a thought leader,

Whatever.

For a lot of people,

It does mean that,

But for a lot of other people,

It just means like,

You know,

The you that you are is inspiring in that sense,

You're a leader,

You know,

And in that sense,

You're sharing your message.

It goes back to what you said earlier,

Your experiences are your medicine.

Like your every moment,

Everyday experiences become the thing that you get to lead and inspire on.

Oh,

That's so true.

I think there's not one experience that doesn't go along with an offering that I have.

Speaking of experience,

I want to hear more about your story and how you came to be where you are.

Like,

Let's rewind maybe however many years we need to,

But like,

Tell me where you were before you took the leap to get to you eventually to where you are now.

Oh,

Totally.

So I guess,

Yeah,

I mean,

I've been being in Bruin like 10 years,

So I'm almost 25.

And so that would be 15.

Right?

Probably never been my thing.

But yeah,

So that's when I first started getting into yoga.

And it was really just for like,

Exercise,

Like,

I was pretty like,

Angry teenager rebellious.

So my dad probably just dragged me along with him to core power hot yoga,

Just to like,

Get me out of trouble for an hour.

But I ended up loving it.

And I kept doing it.

And so obviously,

If you do yoga for enough time,

Like you're going to meet someone spiritual.

So slowly along this journey,

Then fast forwarding to me.

And that's right around the age my parents got divorced.

So like,

You can just imagine,

High school me blah,

Blah,

Blah,

Lots of shit going on.

So then I go to college.

I'm 17.

I'm away,

Like living on my own,

Just like at this place,

Like I had to,

My parents had to sign a waiver so I could go to the gym on campus because I was still 17.

I had braces,

I was like,

They were supposed to come off the week before it was just like,

It felt traumatic.

Like I was walking into this like,

Huge step in my life.

And looking back,

Like,

I was not having a good time,

Like,

Praise with all the things like I was so like,

Unconfident.

And,

And I was always a pretty confident person,

But I hit it.

So I mean,

It was like internal,

So nobody would have ever known back then.

But I was like,

Kind of dying inside.

So that was the beginning of,

You know,

That where I was masking it enough,

So no one knew.

Then college goes on,

Guys partying,

You know,

All the things just getting into things a little too much and getting things got out of hand,

I get a DUI before I'm even 21.

I spend the night in jail,

I get bailed out of jail,

I go to DUI school,

Meet this guy in DUI school,

Great place to meet a partner.

Anyway,

So then I just continue this kind of toxic path for even longer,

Because I just haven't learned the lesson yet.

So then right around that DUI time and all that ending,

I'm at this point where I have enrolled in a yoga teacher training,

And I'm at rock bottom,

I have no money,

I'm like,

Literally feel like a piece of shit.

Like,

I don't know what I'm doing.

I'm still in college miraculously.

My parents did not let me drop out because I was trying to.

And so I,

You know,

I'm here I am,

I signed up for this yoga teacher training.

I knew I'd liked yoga and did meditation here and there.

Boom.

I'm in the training,

Fast forward,

I don't have my license.

This is the same year.

So I'd lost my license for a whole year.

So I'm like,

Taking a train and bus like,

You know,

Living life like I and I was like,

Not,

I was raised very wealthy,

And things changed around the divorce.

So I was,

I went from like,

Getting dropped off to school and limos,

Like crazy stuff to like taking the bus and I was humbled.

Like it was I had no idea.

Like,

I literally like back,

It was his I probably looked hysterical.

I was asking people like,

How to put coins in a bus,

Like I didn't know how to do anything.

And so here I am,

Like trying to fend for myself in the world and like pay for rent.

I still had a little family support.

So it wasn't like I was totally alone.

But I do the yoga teacher training,

I ended up getting super deep into it immediately get a job.

I have like sobered up completely by this point.

I use cannabis,

But and like occasionally drink but I really have like,

Since that,

Like alcohol became like a huge thing that I stopped because after that,

Once I started healing my body physically was like,

Okay,

Now my body is ready to heal.

And I had done so much damage with all the partying and stuff.

I had no idea.

So by this point,

I have ovarian cysts that are exploding into my blood vessels.

So I'm like bleeding out on like getting transfusions at the hospital.

Like this period of my life was like many months.

I was so sick,

Like vomiting every day,

Like doctors could not figure out what was going on.

And my womb was just like,

You know,

You're going to pay for what you've done from having like unconscious sex and just kind of just really like not having any integrity with my body or my soul.

It was just like,

I was going through an ascension now that I look back at it,

But I just had no one helping me contain myself.

And I was just all over the place.

And that's why I do the work I do now.

Because when I see people like that,

I'm like,

Oh my God,

You need a hug.

Like you just need someone to listen.

And so that's why I'm so freaking passionate about it and sharing my story.

Cause I know I'm not the only one who goes through this at all.

So yeah,

Then I started teaching at a rehab center,

Funny enough,

And a government rehab center where with boys,

They just told us I'm a teen coming out of juvenile hall and I'm making a ton of money doing that.

Like,

Couldn't believe I'm teaching yoga.

They're asking me to teach Eastern philosophies like,

And you know,

They're like maybe less yoga,

Maybe more philosophy.

I'm like,

Okay,

Like,

Oh my God,

Government.

Great.

I'm like,

I don't think the president knew it's my black,

But like whatever.

And so it was,

I mean,

It all just like fell into my lap and they were like,

Oh,

We're not going to want yoga.

And I ended up working there for like four years,

Like a long time and making the best connections,

Starting Rise Above Yoga,

Doing more trauma teacher trainings and trauma recovery training.

And you know,

With that,

I thought I was doing all that trauma recovery training to help my clients.

And then it ends up like impacting my life so much so that I began mentorship with inner child healing and practice and,

You know,

Receiving that medicine myself.

Did ayahuasca like I had tried everything in the book for healing,

You know,

During that journey.

Cause I was so,

I traveled alone to Thailand a bunch of times.

Like I just hopped on planes left and right.

Whatever had to happen.

Cause like I was ready.

I was like,

Whatever had to happen to make me heal.

Like it was priceless to me.

And so,

Yeah,

Now looking back,

It was very,

A lot of things in a very short amount of time happened,

But I don't think like any of those things could have gone a different way.

And I would have ended up like a sane and grounded as I am like in any situation,

Like as financially comfortable and stable,

Like even on a rough month,

Just trusting that,

Like I am always provided for,

To really have this life experience to help the people who I work with,

Who are victims of sex trafficking and serious trauma and a soul and things and situations that like you never mean to end up in.

And I personally never meant to end up in,

But I did.

And I mean,

It was like the best medicine I could have,

And I was a really lucky one.

So I am really privileged in that sense that I had thousands of angels and entities and like all the spirits around me,

Ancestors,

24,

I always have,

And I always will.

So I,

I understand why some people don't get out this lucky and don't get to like,

Make it a medicine because it's not easy shit to go through.

And that's why I want to be there to help like anyone who is like slipping through that,

Those cracks,

Because there were so many times I was in the hospital because I wanted to die and I didn't know like how to not want to feel that way.

Yeah.

That's like the long story short of like the last 10 years.

Yeah.

Wow.

And just listening to that,

It's like probably if you were to go back to the you in the midst of that,

In the darkest times,

It's almost like I can't imagine how that conversation would go.

Like,

Look where you end up,

Look where we get to,

Look at what we turn this around into.

But it just goes to show that even in our darkest moments and even in our deepest struggles,

It's all happening for a greater purpose.

Because like you said,

You wouldn't be who you are today had you not gone through every single one of those experiences exactly as you did.

Exactly.

And like as humans,

We really like you don't get to just,

I don't know whether we choose or not.

I'm like,

Damn,

Did I really choose this?

That's crazy.

But you know,

That's crazy.

But whether we choose it or not,

Like we don't get to be like,

Oh,

I'm going to be a human reincarnate as a human,

Only a happy one,

Though,

Not sad,

Never angry,

Never jealous,

None of those shitty one,

Like only the happiest,

Most unconditional loving human.

Like,

Oops,

That's nobody ever.

So once I realized like,

There's no fucking getting out of this,

Like you're going to,

If even those moments where you feel like you don't even want to exist on the planet anymore,

You just want to turn to dust,

You know,

If you could,

If you could squeeze yourself to dust,

Like so many times like that,

Like in those moments,

I'm just like,

Damn,

You know,

That's what I want.

Might as well try,

You know,

Like,

Fuck it.

So I just lay down,

I'm just like,

Damn,

Shit sucks.

You know,

I'm just like,

Ooh,

If I could be dust.

And I just like,

Imagine it and like,

Obviously it doesn't happen.

And then I'm like,

Oh man,

I just cried.

And like,

Then I'm not crying and I feel okay.

And just like,

Oh,

I feel okay.

Because I processed it and didn't hold it in.

Now I can go back to my day and like totally pick my day up where I left off.

Why?

How easy was that?

Yeah,

The power of just sitting with an emotion.

Hey,

How often do we go like,

I shouldn't feel this way.

I shouldn't feel this way.

Like make it go away.

And we just try to gloss over it.

We do whatever we can to not feel,

But it's in the feeling.

It's in the sitting with the truth of how you're feeling,

What's going on,

What's coming up for you.

That's how it gets to shift.

That's how we get to move through it.

Because there's not,

There's no other way than moving through that stuff.

Yeah.

And we're not going to bullshit anyone.

It's awkward as hell.

Like,

Like my boyfriend and I have a baby together,

You know,

Like you watch a baby come out of me and like,

I still,

Every time I'm going to cry for some like reason that's unrelated or just comes up out of nowhere.

I'm just like,

I announce,

I'm just like,

Oh,

I'm like,

Do you feel like crying?

And he's like,

No,

Every time.

And I'm like,

Oh,

I do.

So I think I'm going to,

And then like immediately burst into tears.

So I just always give this weird news reporter announcement.

But at least you do that instead of just like swallowing your tears and swallowing your emotions and never expressing them.

They bottle up until one day it just all comes out.

Right.

So just finding the ways where you can comfortably do it.

Like,

You know,

I'm even like,

I'm super spiritual.

So I have like,

Even a client that tells me something crazy,

Like really big trauma or,

Um,

You know,

Like friend has a bad energy.

I'm just like,

Ooh,

Like,

If I feel my heart,

Like scoop it,

I'm like,

Ooh,

My womb,

I don't feel good.

You know,

I just scoop all the energy in life.

Goodbye.

And like send it out.

And even that,

Even though you're not like meditating,

You're not sitting with it,

You're not crying,

Even just doing something as somatic as I can just poof,

You know,

It's gone.

Yeah.

And that's it.

I'm glad you said that because it's not always about like,

Hey,

I need to go excuse myself and have a big cry,

Or I need to go meditate for 30 minutes or whatever it might be.

That would probably feel really good.

And it's not to say,

Don't do those things.

Great.

If you have the time and that's available to you and whatever.

But if you're in a situation where that's not available to you at the moment,

It's like,

There's so many little just intentions we can set.

You feel some weird energy.

Like I'll often put up a,

Like a bubble,

An energetic bubble.

I used to teach Bikram yoga.

So I was in the hot room for like hours in a day.

And when I was a new teacher,

I remember I started getting really bad migraines.

And I thought it was just from the sweating and the teaching and the being in that environment so much.

But I,

I spoke to my studio owner.

And she gave me this idea.

Well,

She she planted the seed that,

You know,

Maybe that's not the case.

Maybe you're actually picking up other people's energy.

They go into this space and they let go of a lot of shit.

And it could be that you're picking up on it.

So every time I would go in after that,

I put up my bubble of white light.

And when I came out after class,

I would do one of two things.

I would either picture a tornado spinning above my head of all that weird energy,

Just like being picked up and leaving my body,

Or I'd get like a big Hoover vacuum,

Like vacuum it up.

And that's exactly it.

Like,

I didn't have it available to me in those moments coming out of class,

All my students are there like about to walk out the front door,

And I'm there to say goodbye to them and whatever.

But what I could do is set just like some really clear intentions that I'm not picking up this stuff.

I'm not carrying this anymore.

There it goes,

Like scoop it up,

Send it away,

Vacuum it up,

And then I would just vacuum it up out of your aura,

Whatever you need to do.

But it's just like recognizing that you feel a certain way in the first place,

Like,

Okay,

I feel some weird vibes.

Okay,

Whatever it might be like there's something a bit funky right now and just acknowledging it.

If you need to go journal on it,

Meditate on it,

Do some EFT on it,

Whatever,

Do that great.

But just like,

Know that it's safe to feel these things.

I think that's the first step that is like that opens up so many doors to healing.

Yeah,

And that's where,

You know,

We have like literally a trauma response if we have felt something that has been too much.

So the trauma response when something's too much is if you've had a memory or an experience that felt really overwhelming,

Or you felt out of control with your emotions,

Like the example of when I was out of control and ended up in hospitalization because of it,

I think people don't want to feel their emotions because if they felt a big emotion in the past where they felt out of control,

That will trigger like,

Oh no,

I might end up back in that place of feeling unsafe in my body and in my emotions.

So then one's coming and they're like,

Nope,

Like smoke,

Drink,

Eat,

Sex,

Drug of any kind,

Not interested,

TV,

You know,

No,

I'm not going to feel that.

Instead of like,

If you let the emotion fully swallow you,

Like it'll just chew you up and spit you back out.

Like you'll be there at the end.

And I say that with a little reservation because of course there are emotions that do get too big.

And so if you do feel that way,

Just put them out there.

You know,

There are the resources,

Like the suicide hotline and like immediate numbers,

Like that aren't a friend or family that if no one's answering or that's too judgmental,

You can always call.

But in like a lot of cases,

If we were to just lay there or ask a friend to come over and hold that space for us to,

While we laid there and just let it out,

It could even be in the other room.

We just felt it and punched the pillows and screamed in the pillows and said the cuss words out loud,

Just yelled into like oblivion,

You know,

And just let it out.

Like,

And that's,

This is perfect because this is like the inner child work.

You know,

That's your inner child.

Like you think a grown adult wants to fling themselves on a bed and like punch and be like that?

No,

But your inner child does and that's who's coming out in those moments where you want to scream or send the mean text or just like get so overwhelmed with any emotion.

And allowing yourself that.

I like that you said it that way that it's not that,

You know,

Your grown up adult self is the one that wants to act in these ways or,

You know,

Punch the pillow or pound on the mattress or whatever it is,

But it's like letting that inner child have that experience that it needs to have in those moments is so healing.

And it's just like,

I think a lot of it in this work is giving yourself permission to go there.

Oh yeah.

And it's fun.

Like once you started dancing with your demons or,

You know,

Whatever you want to call it,

Cause we all go at shadow work.

We all have a dark side.

We all have trauma,

Even if it's not yours,

It's your ancestors,

You know,

It's in our DNA.

So yeah,

Like once you start to get a little witchy and dance with it or like,

I'm getting really into like womb work now being like in a female body,

Like there's just so much we can tap into.

And this work gets a lot less scary and becomes like a lot more ceremonial and ritual,

Especially if you get tapped into ancestral healing work,

Like burning sage,

Palestanto,

You know,

That's like the most basic way where a lot of spiritual people are tapping in,

But then really like into your body,

Into your heart,

Into like these ancient practices.

It just,

We can let go and tap into that shadow side in a much more graceful way.

And it only takes like a short amount of time of like the scary,

If you will,

Like emotional outburst part.

That's just,

I feel like everyone just has that in Ascension and like,

Got to just get their way.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then there's people like you that are here to assist in that process too,

And like to,

You know,

To step into the holding space and kind of giving that permission to explore this world and these opportunities for healing.

So thank you for doing this work and for being in that role.

Thank you.

Yeah.

I mean,

I really didn't chose it.

It chose me.

It's like channeled through me.

So I don't even know like what I'm saying,

Like in sessions,

Cause it just really is,

Is I'm so connected to the person and their energy and you know,

Whatever they're sharing with me.

But yeah,

I mean the work's impactful.

It's not for everyone.

It's,

You know,

It's trauma work.

So there are people who cannot even like fathom the stories that I hear every day.

And it like,

You talked about the bubble.

Like I do have some very strict routines and ancestral ceremony of routines that I do on,

Whether it's like the monthly or weekly or daily basis,

Depending on the ritual that I use to keep myself always protected.

I never really feel unprotected,

But you know,

If someone brings you a lot of energy,

You want to,

I got to hold that space for them and then for myself.

So I'm like,

Okay,

That took time to learn,

But there there's more and more people every day that are learning how and are becoming more willing to hold this amount of space,

Which is what needs to happen.

And that's why I recommend everyone do like some sort of trauma informed training.

I have like a DIY one on my courses page.

There's in-person ones like just,

Or even if there's just a YouTube,

You can find about it because it really is like so inspiring to me.

And I think it helps you deal with clients,

Friends,

Family,

Like any situation.

Yeah,

I think it is really important,

Especially,

Especially as we are,

You know,

A lot of people listening,

Our coaches,

Healers,

Space holders themselves,

It's like,

It's good to have these tools.

It's good to be aware of what might come up of how you can work through it of,

You know,

Just being prepared energetically for,

You know,

Helping someone work through their stuff.

Yeah.

And they do the greatest part about those,

Like most all trauma trainings is they talk about like the base,

Like they don't go too deep.

So it's not going to like intimidate anyone hopefully.

But like it talks about the basic chemistry of the brain and what's going on.

Like when you're experiencing a trauma vortex or,

You know,

You're triggered and your prefrontal cortex is completely shut down and you're operating from the reptilian part of your brain and you're in a fight with your partner and your partner's like,

Tell me why you're mad.

And you're like,

Oh,

Like you can't even think.

And that's cause like this whole fun part of your super developed human brain is like completely not even in network.

And you're acting from like,

I'm going to die.

Like I'm literally dying and I don't know how to live.

So I'm going to run away or I'm going to like burn this whole bridge right now.

And it's like,

When we,

Once I know,

Once I learned that it was like,

Oh,

Okay.

So like probably don't have like intense conversations in that moment.

Cause it literally takes your nervous system,

Like multiple minutes to hours to even regulate after something like that.

And people just knowing that like when someone's mean to you and the coffee drive through,

And you know that the barista is being a bitch because she must've like,

Maybe she,

I always think if someone's being a bitch,

I'm like,

Oh,

They probably had like a loud ass breakup this morning.

And like,

They are hurting.

I literally like fully believe that for anyone who's being mean and I'm just like,

Fine.

I know you're going through that breakup.

I'm so sorry.

And I just like hold space for them in that way.

Cause there's like,

That's the only acceptable reason.

I like that though.

I said that once to someone that I give people the way I worded,

It was the opposite of the benefit of the doubt.

Like I assume the worst case scenario and they're like,

What are you talking about?

Why would you expect that from someone?

But it's like,

No,

To me,

I see that as an act of love that like,

I,

I'm just assuming you are having the most challenging experience of your life right now.

And that's why you're triggered.

You're acting out,

You're projecting all your shit onto me.

And it's kind of like,

Yeah,

Okay.

I can come from compassion when I can tap into that versus you're just an asshole and you're not being very nice to me.

And then we both get triggered and then we're both just in that like trauma response.

Exactly.

Can we all just like sign a contract and you need to just all like assume,

Like,

I know we're not supposed to assume a lot,

But I think if we could all agree,

That would be one thing we could all assume if someone's being rude,

That they're just going through the worst day ever and then we'll just be like,

Okay,

Yeah.

Grandma died breakup.

One of those,

All of the above.

I don't know,

But I love you.

Yeah.

I can agree to that in my like conscious state right now,

But you get me triggered.

I think that might go out the window because I'm human.

You know,

I'm not going to sit here and say and act like I'm perfect and I never do react that way.

Oh,

Ideally we can remind ourselves to come back to this.

I think we would all,

Even if we all just put in like 10% effort towards that,

We would probably live in a completely different world.

I'm thinking even 1% would make a significant difference at this point.

Yeah,

You're probably right.

But I mean,

It is,

It's those little steps.

It's those little steps that 1% along the way that is going to snowball.

And it's just like the common theme I keep hearing in all of this is just giving yourself permission to go there.

Give yourself permission to just take that one little step forward,

Feel maybe 1% of your feelings and then you'll feel okay.

Feel okay.

Like I can do this.

I can dive into this and just like be gentle on yourself.

Exactly.

And like a really good thing to just think about,

Like one main thing is just asking like,

Are you happy with your life?

Like,

Are you happy with your financial situation,

Your money,

You know,

Like how you're making your money,

Your relationships,

Your home,

Like these basic,

You know,

Things in life,

Like,

Are you okay?

Or would you like to go and up level?

And if someone's okay with them,

Then great.

But if they're ready to up level,

Then they're going to have to make a change.

They're going to have to cut something out,

Add something new and make space.

And it's not going to be easy because sometimes it's like a whole relationship or like you have to move to another state or you have to really like pull some strings.

But like we can talk a little bit about manifesting for a sec.

Like there's,

I think that's a huge problem in the spiritual world is manifesting.

And I thought it too.

It's just like,

Oh,

I'm going to think about things I want.

I'm thinking and thinking,

And I'm like,

Still thinking,

It's happening.

And I was like,

Oh,

I thought about it.

I wrote it down.

I had a $500 session to manifest it.

Like,

Oh my God,

It still hasn't happened.

I have no money now.

Oh,

You know,

And then I realized,

Oh,

I actually feel like make the website show up daily on Insta,

Reach out to clients,

Market,

Hired assistant,

And then like realize,

Oh,

Okay,

That's actually manifesting.

But staying in the frequency is the most important part.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm glad you said that because that's exactly the theme of this podcast is leaping and the net appearing,

But the net doesn't necessarily like it can appear in really miraculous ways that are just presented to you on a silver platter.

And I've interviewed some of those women and those stories happen.

And that's a thing and that's amazing.

But I mean,

In my life experience,

Nine times out of 10,

It's been the inspired action that I take that brings it to me.

It's like having the inspiration,

The idea for what I want to manifest and then holding the vibe of it,

But also creating my net,

Not just sitting back and watching Netflix and expecting the net to appear.

Yeah.

Oh yeah.

It is all about creating that net.

And the net does appear like so many miraculous situations,

But it's cause like,

Say you want like a celebrity on your podcast.

So you just like shoot him a DM.

You're like,

Most times people DM me.

Like there's no way they're going to respond.

We DM,

We're like,

We're not,

There's no other reality,

Right?

Like up and up and up a man of Francis,

Like we're only going up from here,

All the vibes.

And like,

Guess what?

When you have that energy,

Like you might get that DM back and that,

Yeah,

They'll be do a 30 minute episode.

And like,

When those things are happening,

You're like,

All I had to do is just like,

Put it out there and you're going to get a shitload of nos,

But you're going to get a shitload of yeses too.

Yeah.

That's a good example because it's like,

You are holding that vibe and you're probably holding it really strong,

But you still sent that DM.

You still took that action,

You know,

So you created space for the net to appear,

But you also put it out there,

Set that intention to the universe and did the practical 3d action of reaching out.

Right.

Cause like,

Yeah,

You could man,

I can manifest when I look at my five dimensions,

Six,

Seven dimension lights on another timeline,

I am like in this huge mansion beachfront,

Like billions of dollars.

I don't even know what to do.

I'm donating to all my favorite organizations healing every day.

And like,

That's so great.

But what I'm really working on in this lifetime is streaming that reality to my three dimensional reality,

Which is only going to happen if my physical and body like types and like does stuff and makes insta videos and like whatever in courses.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Those little step by step things that snowball and they do transform and expand into more and more impact and more and more influence and,

And results.

It still does require us in this 3d physical body to do the things.

Yes.

Doing the things.

Yeah.

I'm all about that.

Creating the net,

You know,

Just as much as I could co-creation you're co-creating it with the universe because it's through that action that you're stepping up and you're showing,

Hey,

I am available to this.

I do want it.

And you,

You prove to yourself too,

That almost,

Um,

To me,

It's like the most important thing in the net appearing is your trust that it will,

But if your action is going to allow you to trust more,

That it will show up because I sent the emails,

I created the course,

I launched it,

I put it out there.

It's like,

Well then of course it's going to work.

Yeah.

Well,

If you somehow can get your trust into that level of the 10 K 20 K a hundred K months,

Whatever it might be,

If you can just trust that that is coming to you somehow and go leaping from not taking any action into that happening.

Great.

Cool.

But for me,

It requires me to take the action and to do the things so that I can step into that place of trusting and then calling it in and receiving.

I totally agree.

Full embodiment practice.

Fully.

Yeah.

Oh,

This has been so good,

Maddie.

I've had so much fun chatting with you.

You too.

This was lovely.

So can you tell everyone listening where they can find you online?

Yeah,

Absolutely.

So I'm mainly on Instagram,

Which is Maddie M M M A D D I E M M.

And you can find me on my website at rise above yoga.

Com.

And I have all my fun stuff there.

Boss Biz Babes program courses and one-on-one sessions.

And I have some free content too,

Which everybody always loves.

I have my intro to Tantra guidebook,

Which if you're looking to bring more intimacy into your solo life or your partner life,

There's three practices for both with instructions and an abundance activation meditation.

And you can just find those under free stuff.

That's on your rise above yoga website.

Yeah.

Rise above yoga.

Com.

Cool.

Oh,

Amazing.

Yeah.

I'm excited to go check that stuff out.

Yeah.

Let me know what you think.

They're just fun little offerings.

I love Megan stuff.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Anything to just like spend more time in your energy because this has been so good.

Oh,

Thank you.

Yeah.

This is lovely.

Anytime I get the opportunity to share my story or talk to another sacred sister who is obviously aligned and,

You know,

Just really remember like what life's all about.

It's,

You know,

Great for us,

You know,

The more we say it out loud,

The more we affirm it,

The more we ground in it.

And then hopefully anyone who's listened and resonates with our messages and stuff just really truly trust themselves and like take that next step today to just be vulnerable and put themselves out there or start that business or whatever is calling them because we really need like the most amount of people to be stepping into their highest fullest versions of themselves right now because,

You know,

That ship,

The ship is going and it's a good ship to be on.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Come join us.

We got plenty of room.

There's plenty of money,

Plenty of abundance,

Plenty of all the things to go around.

So I truly,

I truly believe that.

So if you're not doing it because you think like someone else is already a coach or someone else has done it,

Like I guarantee even if you have like the most exact offering to someone else,

It's still completely different that the offering itself will be completely different in the moment.

Yeah.

Because it comes from a different source.

It comes from a different,

Well,

We're all from the same source.

I won't get into that conversation right now.

It's like muscle composition.

It comes from a different compilation of your experiences and your outlook and your perspective.

So it's like,

We need your unique story and your unique offerings.

Even if you feel like it's been done before,

It hasn't been done by you.

Right.

And there's like that little group,

That niche of people,

You know,

That you're going to impact that like are waiting for you.

So honestly,

It's like selfish that you're not doing it.

Come on.

You are for the children.

Yeah.

No,

Seriously.

Not to drag this on,

But just one more thing that I feel needs to be said is the concept of soul contracts.

It's like if you are in this life and you're at this point where you're like feeling the pull,

You're feeling called to step up more.

That's because you are meant to do that.

And that's because on some energetic level,

Like before you incarnated incarnated into this life,

You signed energetic contracts.

You signed soul contracts with these people that you said you would show up and you would help them in this lifetime.

So it's like,

Okay,

We're waiting.

We're waiting for you to uphold your end of the bargain.

And the more you uphold,

If you could like bounce back on this,

But the more you uphold your end of the bargain,

You very quickly realize the universe is like,

Great,

Thank you.

Been waiting,

Finally you're on board.

Okay,

Great.

Here's some abundance.

Here's some clients.

Here is,

You know,

This,

You can like really keep doing that.

Cause like I need you to keep doing this.

Here's like the new car.

Here's like the new house.

Like really your life just starts manifesting because you're worthy and you start to realize you're worthy and the universe always knew you're worthy.

You were always worthy,

But now that you realize that you get to like be embodying it all.

Yeah.

And that's just another example of like being supportive of the net appearing.

Cause it's like,

You're finally in alignment with what you know,

Deep down in your soul,

You're meant to be doing.

And you will be supported in that.

Like it just,

That's just how it works.

You know,

Things fall into place when you fall into place,

When your alignment gets centered into what you know is true for you.

Yeah.

And it's not called trusting the universe because everyone's like,

Oh,

We're like certain every day,

You know,

It's called trusting because we're just literally like,

Okay,

We're going to trust this,

This thing out there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And just like coming back into that trust over and over.

It's such a practice,

Isn't it?

Every day,

Sometimes every minute,

If it's one of those days,

You know?

Yeah.

Okay.

We'll wrap this up,

But thank you so,

So much,

Maddie.

It's been such a pleasure.

Of course.

This was so lovely.

Thanks for listening everybody.

Yeah.

Thanks.

And we'll catch you again on the next episode.

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