
The World Outside For Us Is To Improve Not Prove
by Girish Jha,
Eastern wisdom aims at self-discovery. Self-discovery leads to self-knowledge. The journey to self-discovery helps us to know what is existence and what is the world and who we are. When we recognize ignorance causes suffering because we are false that leads to a lot of challenges in daily life. When we follow the path of Eastern wisdom, it helps us realize our wrong notions, and misconceptions, and awaken us to our real selves. The real self is pure consciousness of the nature of permanent peace, happiness, love truth, and wisdom. That is the highest meditative state, set by our masters. Listen, learn, contemplate, and reflect on the topics mentioned in the title, then practice regularly to move from ignorance to wisdom. Please note: This track was recorded live and may contain background noises.
Transcript
Yeah my dad honestly because of my dad like he's pretty wealthy guy but like he always taught me so like be super humble super grateful super kind like he taught me all of these values that like a really young age and like that no matter because money comes money goes money doesn't make you who you are so he's very wise very wise yeah so I'm just lucky I'm a secret I feel lucky because I think sometimes like we're a product of our own environment like if I were if I were to grow up with parents that were crazy that were egotistical I would probably be like that right so I got super lucky that my dad beautiful I really appreciate it you know I really appreciate your dad who thinks in this way because that you know you see that that is what the step to teaches yeah the step to teaches since the you know they have been teaching this principle for the last 4,
000 years what they say that the entire world is for us to dissolve our ego what it means because in the world outside I feel frustrated in a situation in a relationship with the people so they are not need to be no need not to be frustrated oh they are my weak points because I get frustrated because of a particular situation because of a particular person and I need to I need the world to dissolve my ego that is that is why the word is given to us but on one side when we see that the word is given to us for my impulsive needs then the problem comes so I feel that you know I feel what happens you know the ego is created in relation to a ship to the world oh I have this house and I have this car and I have this you know I married to the Miss Universe 2023 so what will happen to you when some other girl is crowned Miss 2024 your ego is again shattered your ego is shattered now I bought a house for 10 million and someone buys the house for 20 million what happens to you what happens to you so for so you see that this what it says that very action that I perform I have to become aware whether it comes out of my impulses it comes out of my ego to meet the unwanted unwelcome thoughts or I learn from the world every day every day today I went out in the world I saw someone and I'm attracted to it and I must contemplate in the evening it is my impulsive desire to get attracted because of that attraction I'm seeking peace and happiness instantly I must remind myself that the peace and happiness are within me this is because happening because of the impulse oh so I saw that person or a girl or a boy so that it is making me aware that I still have the impurities in the mind that is why I am driven by those impulses and hence I have to take care of that so I have to change the attitude in the mind so that the behavior outside also changes behavior outside so behavior means my action my thought my speech my action my the way I look at the thing so when I see a person who is living with in a in a very humble manner and we of my ego says he's a poor guy but he may be very rich in spirit he may be extremely rich means he has a humility he has a kindness he has a clarity in his life who knows that family maybe because of because of living in a small house they may be very rich in their mind they may be more happy than the people who are living in big palaces big mansions yeah so you see that we have to understand what we have to understand that the world outside is for me to teach to educate so whenever I feel that I am frustrated I have a pain and I have a frustration and I have a suffering go inside your head tell the mind mind I know you are frustrated because of your impulsive driven desires you need to be fulfilled why you are doing this you are doing this because of securing peace and happiness you are imposing peace and happiness on a situation on an object on a palace on a car on a relationship where it is not so the when we say karma yoga karma you know it means the karma yoga I'm not going to take up that part I'm deviating a bit that because of the second principle that we will talk when we will take up the Gita once one fractional part of that karma yoga is the law of attraction being popularized in this part of the world and there is a kind of distortion they talk about it but they are not fully aware and the Krishna in the Gita who is the master who breathes who summarized it so now see that if I don't learn the world will repeat the same condition to dissolve my ego this guy I told you that he was a happily married I was tea I've been teaching him for the last three years we had a baby I never disturbed anyone's ego I'm very much aware so I thought that he has an ego but he has also a good intent to learn the Eastern wisdom so why should I touch that pain point so I did not touch in the first three years I would say from 1918 to 2019 almost two years two years then he left me but he learnt almost many practices he had I gave him 50 practices which he felt very good he improved his business he's already a millionaire but he improved his business from 19 since the COVID until 2023 in the beginning now ego and these practices they have to they have to come they have a conflict they oppose each other so he got so much frustrated he went into the Colorado forest alone for about a month and he said no I'm I left everything so I just just for also curiosity how are you doing I had only one intention so he wrote from there I'm in a Colorado forest I have left everything but what happened that another relation of him is also learning from me which he referred to me he said you know you don't know he divorced his wife he's totally frustrated his business is not good oh that is what he meant by an awakening awakening has taken place in the Colorado forest now those practices those practices pushed him to return to me again and still I'm teaching him now see what happened how the I gave him a shock this time now I'm I was ready I said this enough is enough because I already got the information that he's divorced and he's paying more than $15,
000 a month to alimony you can think of his income so that I got information from his very close relation so he started the journey and now he is living with a new girlfriend you are young so it will also educate you so now he had a subtle ego no I was talking to my ex-wife and now he she has a doubt I said what the heck you are talking about it you divorced and you are still talking to her so she has a right to doubt on you you are covering by your ego what the heck you are doing don't you want to change I gave a very good lecture two times he realized it so now his realization came from the previous practices also because that he has been doing and that melted his ego and he said I now realize it what the heck I'm doing I'm creating more problem to my life so if I if I use the world to boost my ego it will repeat the same situation again in a different way it will give you a shock which we say you know I'm suffering I have lot of problem everyone has cheated me outside I have not changed my attitude my impulsive nature must go from one experience I learned that this impulsive driven action has caused me a lot of challenges in my life but I'm not learning so the world outside situation people relations will teach us every time this is what the master of Eastern wisdom says you have to be very careful the moment you are blaming someone you are complaining someone you are being hesitated because of a particular situation as you had also been hesitated in the past that you explained to me and you did it right so that you understood what what happens to the mind how the mind is responding to that situation am I learning something from it so the word gives me a lesson every time every day every moment and if I'm not learning the lessons will be repeated with a greater force with a greater intensity so you know now these impressions are stored and accumulated in the mind is known as the sins these are known as the sins I cannot see the sins but I can see the impact of the sin what is the impact of the sin today you find out did you find did you your mind perceived unfavorable situation you have some rift you have a sense of blame and complain you feel a sense of dissatisfaction these are the impact of the sense effect of the sense every day but if I pass on my entire life for the last almost I see for the last almost one month there was not a single thought which said that any situation is unfavorable or anyone said me something even something drastically happened with one girl from Europe but still you know calm was maintained the outer situation is not affecting me I have that attitude in the mind with that attitude I think speak and act in the world that is the beauty of the Karma Yoga that is the beauty of the second step so it means I have to refine mind is refined shines and ripens my ego ripens it gets a maturity my ego becomes mature what is the meaning of mature ego nothing outside can really help me to be in the state of peace and happiness the status the recognition they do not stay for long they are constantly changing I need not to worry about it so do whatever you want to do and you are doing but always keep a low profile in your mind keep the highest profile for your marketing no problem but don't give that value that is a business so you have to give it but internally you are humble you are calm you are relaxed and you see the situation is teaching me people who approach me are teaching me and guiding me that is going to raise your level of awareness and help your your ego will dissolve so what what it means by dissolving the ego you always remain humble you always remain calm you are able to see the situation what is happening outside so you can take a right decision because in the state of the calmness you are more creative you are more creative you are more innovative you know the approaches that you have to take in your so basically this karma yoga attitude in the mind I think I have been I have been saying this attitude in the mind inside before during and after any action is taken I check my attitude my attitude remains same before during and after so when it remains same you are doing karma yoga so what it happens the outer situations have not imposed or modified your mind to react to blame to fight to get frustrated so this guy is now learning you know I'm very happy I'm very happy you know I'm getting some money also but as I normally charge it's a normal and that is he he does now the first thing that he pays me before he starts it's okay it's a part of the life so I see that he is now changing so yes there is one more point that we need to do these are known as the impurities of the mind so unless we remove the impurities of the mind we cannot our mind cannot really understand what the teaching says at a higher level so that is why it is the second step it is only the second step now how can you say the real self is pure consciousness it is all pervading I am sitting here I am limited by the body and the mind so why I am limited by the body and mind because the impulses are taken over me and those impulses are driven by the body and the mind and it builds the ego so unless I dissolve this ego it will not my mind my intellect will not understand the deeper the subtler principles of the Eastern wisdom another another way to understand memory and awareness there are two things so if I have a memory of my frustration if I have memory of my duality in a conflict if I have a memory of my craving for recognition and duality in a conflict that will overtake my intellect my wisdom in that moment my intellect is not able to understand it will remain constantly distracted that is what happened to this guy for four years he did not contacted me but I was just sending an email once and after every three months once he returned he was totally a changed person he was totally a changed person and now he says I am committed I will let us see what happens so I gave him this lesson almost five six seven lessons on on this karma yoga that we will do when the Gita we will start the Gita so if you summarize how to recognize these impulsive driven mind and the habits let the mind always remember I have to improve today entering into the world I need not to prove anything in the world I need to improve let me improve in what way that is what you see you know in every session I talk spontaneously on different topics so that is a level of your improvement and then what my mind says what I have taught to anyone or the group that belongs to them they do not belong to me thank God out now I am empty I'm very happy because I'm empty so especially the group session I post all the group session and their practices on the YouTube why they do not belong to me why well when someone comes I will create another practice I have no problem I know the principles I have confidence so what will happen if I give a new practice I'm improving so I'm helping myself more than anyone so always keep your mind that what in what way I should improve do if we want to prove that you are a man you are a woman you are you are you own a car yes you own a car you need not to prove it everyone would see it you're handsome yes you're handsome what is required an idea it had taught and a desire to improve today in my in relationship to the world that will go a long way what will happen it will help you rise in awareness and that higher state of awareness will help you to explore the real self and your nature another word you can say and gaze or enlightened we normally get engaged in thought and speech and action in a situation with the people with the impulsive mind no I have to enlighten my mind that these are the impulses I was carried away let me return back and sleep well the moment you return home you are disengaged with the world outside why you cannot disengage with the world why your mind keeps thinking you have a memories of the impulsive driven thought speech and action during the day maybe yesterday maybe last week you recall those thoughts and you are frustrated so it means it indicates the impurities are still there in the mind we have to we have to do karma yoga so what is going to happen every day you enter into the world with these principles so your practice becomes the way you live your life every time your practice is the way you think you speak and act in the world outside so not only you are improving not only you are enlightening your mind by every thought speech and action or a in profession in the family this is what exactly is known as the karma yoga third point in a third way you can also understand passion or dispassion passionate about anything in the world passionate about the girl passionate about the money passionate about excitement or passion or excitement so that excitement our master says is basically an hesitation in the mind caused by the impulses because of the binding desire it your mind keeps on repeating those thoughts again and again in your mind in the state of the dispassion say for example you go to the restroom and come back there is no doership it is very clear you go there come back and finish that action is complete you never repeat before anyone there I went to the restroom and I was free so any action that is complete you cannot have a memory of that that is what I want to mean that is what I mean by this any action if it is complete the thought pertaining to that action will not be repeated in your mind no but I have a lot of unwanted thoughts I sometime remember what happened last year in that situation with that person impulsive driven I need a dispassion I need a dispassion I need I need to understand passion leads to emotional dependence it needs it creates an attachment so mind is constantly repeating those thoughts and now it is getting accumulated in my mind so it creates a trigger and those trigger creates an impact in my daily life so now I find an unfavorable situation so that causes my suffering and then I repeat it again so memory of likes and dislikes memory of emotional dependence memory of agitation if it happened I just explore contemplate and reflect and get rid of it I should not avoid I should not react to it I should not use the self-medication do you still remember what is self-medication I am totally frustrated what is self-medication let me have a pag of vodka that is self-medication let me escape this let me watch a movie no let me memory of memory has been repeating itself every day let me solve this let me move from the passion to dispassion contemplate reflect on it complete the thought process and become free that is what is going to come in the third fourth and the fifth step ah yes so how do you not remember something I mean how do you last week at what time you went to your restroom don't tell me how you not remember when the action is complete you don't remember you don't remember that is what I'm saying you that is what we need to understand this last year on the same day how many times you went to the restroom yes that's a beautiful question how we choose to remember certain things as far as our remembering the frustration anxiety reaction anger and the anxiety are concerned we need not to remember it has a cycle it repeats it has a 360 degree cycle because the anytime we have a frustration anger anxiety in a particular event or a situation they revolve they lie move like a wheel and that wheel Buddha says is the sansara and the sansara and the word is the suffering they repeat by themselves now there is a hidden answer behind it why why they repeat itself because I do not have a memory of discernment I do not have a memory of dispassion I do not have a memory of improving that memory says I have to prove again even it has the past even let me reprove it will never happen it constantly repeats itself by itself second answer third answer is very important very important and it goes back to our birth I'm deviating and I'll come back so because of that deviation I will we will learn so the entire matter is subjected to change the world is in flux you see that word is in flux it has three forces at work all the time in the body in the mind in the intellect even in the ego the entire world the visible world three forces are always at work the first force is known as inertia you put the mouse where and it will remain there unless you move it so inertia is a helper and it is a great barrier to our progress second is known as rajas the activity you cannot have a luxury to sleep 24 hours a day now at this age but you had the luxury you did it when you were born you slept for 23 hours only one hour you cried for energy for milk and mother fed us the milk and we were again went into the inertia did we create that inertia no it is the in the material world it is always available so on one hand this inertia this force of inertia that puts me into the sleep to take rest the same force of the inertia causes the memory of the frustration reaction anger and hesitation accumulated in the mind so this is the first force of inertia now see what happens did our parents teach us that now you are in the now you are six months old come on turn around did our parents teach us that you turn around start crawling no it happens by itself nobody teaches we stand up we fall we never say that i will never stand up again because i have failed once that is because of the force of activity that is known as the force of the motion the second we we say the term just you remember sato guna rajo guna tamo guna tamo guna is the inertia and it is present in the body it is present in the mind it is present in the mountain that it is present in the in the stone that is why that stone undergoes a change it becomes a coal and the coal becomes the diamond because of that activity so these three forces are always present in everyone so these two forces are at work through the nature we are a human being we have a free intellect we have the third force to make it active it becomes very there is you don't need any effort to fall into your eyes you don't need to make an effort to get frustrated we are frustrated you don't need to make an effort to to to be driven by the impulses and so-called fall in love that is why we say fall in love you went to inertia you don't rise in love to rise in love i have to make a choice the choice who makes the choice the intellect what is known as the intellect it is known as the free will so i have to make an effort to rise above when i don't make an effort then we complain why the memory of frustration repeats itself i have no i'm not making a choice i have a choice i can make a choice i know my conscience you know that past event that happened didn't deeper inside so-called your consciousness what the heck you are doing like what the heck you're doing calm down i'm not listening to the conscience i'm not listening to the inner voice that intellect that right knowledge is constantly saying you that is why you told me i know i understand and then you use the word but so that but comes from these two lower forces look at the beautiful way these these masters are explaining these concepts so that the knowledge is clear when the knowledge is settled the knowledge is clear when the knowledge is settled so what happens you know another part the fourth reason is that we don't know our real nature we know our false nature that is ego that is why memories of those frustration painful events keeps on repeating itself the ego always takes the support of these reaction anger is anxiety excitement in our life so reverse this when i'm excited hesitated frustrated oh i have to improve i have to enlighten the mind mind don't do this here is the reason this is the way i should do it calm down withdraw yourself and sometime our ego is so tough it reacts it reacts because we don't have a memory of discernment this passion to improve to enlighten so we have to make an extra effort to rise above you know the snake and the ladder game it's very easy to fall down why those memories of frustration anxiety impulses instincts are present in the nature if i don't make an effort to rise above it will make me fall down so eastern wisdom says you have to make a choice understand it so ego comes as a main factor when i perform any action by ego ego always takes a support of these impulses it is because of the ego i want to own i had another guy you know who who has three members in a family he is nearby so he's searching for a home and he said i went to i went with the realtor and the realtor showed me it is a five bedroom we are only three and somebody told me six thousand square feet or seven thousand square feet and a pool we said we don't have a go we don't have a flair of going to the pool we are only three we can do it even with the two bedroom maximum with the three bedroom so i told the realtor why you are showing me this house i've already told you it's a sign of wisdom my ego has not taken over me so he was saying that you told me something about discernment and dispassion and i started thinking while the realtor was explaining look at this house while the realtor was explaining look at this house such a beautiful place and you have the access to all those things and he told the realtor that this is what i need i don't need too much i can afford it but i don't want so he was telling me that i applied the power of discernment and dispassion and that made me made my mind very light and my wife was so happy with that you are right you know who will take care of such a big house let us do what we are doing they are in it business so another factor the fifth factor is the ego now see that we have to remember this all the time during the day the moment we enter into the world there are three person person number one person number one sees the world outside perceives the world this is a house this is a gentleman here this is my body this is your body it perceives the world as it is as it is you can say in a casual manner carefree manner person two lives inside so the person one from me goes out it perceives the world outside outside person number two receives what it receives it gives an interpretation it arises it arouses the feeling and a behavior and attitude that takes birth in mind for example you like a yellow color by default it is impulsive nature so the moment you see the yellow color it gives you some kind it triggers the feeling oh that's really good that's really good or you can say she's a girl that's okay but she's beautiful that is also okay but after that because she is beautiful hence i like her that is the problem it nothing happened to that outer situation outer girl but now everything is happening inside me that is the person too what is the person three person three is the ego what is that person three person one plus person two that is what ego is person one the way i see the world as it is person two mind gives the interpretation based on my based on my past impressions based on my memories that is how i perceive that's i give the interpretation so my interpretation with the world at it is they combine together they create a kind of pattern that is known as the ego so i'm giving you the last reason where there is that ego is there is always a bondage because now i have started living with that bondage i started living with the likes and dislikes i started living with the reaction agitation that is happening in my mind i did not express today it will be expressed tomorrow it is already deposited saving account for that that is why our master says ego has no location when you start what is the greatest enemy of ego yeah that that is most important point what is the greatest enemy of ego you start thinking and you start examining the ego you will not find ego you will not find ego can you show the location of the ego inside there is no location can you show the location of the ego outside you cannot show that location you cannot show it there is no location of the ego inside there is no location of the ego outside as you were telling me you know that the people are crazy they're buying a house that cost 11 or 12 million okay so they imagine the ego is sitting in this 11 million house imagined projection in that state of the projection and the superimposition and the imagination they forget their real nature they see that imagined I is the real I that imagined ego always tries to prove it does not want to improve that imagined ego says to a beggar that i have a 11 million dollar house can you give me some bucks today I don't have it you are a greater beggar than me that imagined ego now I'm hurt I'm even hurt by the beggar what kind of I-ness it is so when I live with that imagined ego I am constantly hurt I feel the world is neglecting me even I have such so many possessions in my hand so I'm always frustrated I'm looking for someone who can appreciate me I don't meet those people I always appreciate them so we imagined ego projected ego means those people find that this is the real I but it is imagined it is projected we cannot see any location of the ego anywhere and that ego takes the support of likes and dislikes joy and the sorrow jealousy and the hatred and ultimately they continue to live their life of frustration did I not tell you about the Bill Gates I lived a bliss life for 27 years that is why you are a wise fool so clarity is there at don't think that I should perform an action outside without a proper attitude in the mind this is one of the subtlest teachings of all the religions misunderstood it is totally misunderstood when the religion says do this and don't do this they mean to say I have to change my attitude in the mind before I perform an action before I perform an action I must change an attitude but what we don't change the attitude but we perform an action now see this is very important so that is why lot of younger generation or now majority of the people have an aversion towards religion why the teaching is not presented rightly what is the teaching that not presented rightly pay attention every religion says pay charity charity very good so I go to the religious places I offer the charity and I come back with the frustration I have I do not offer anything with the right and proper attitude in the mind that is why we say the religion do not change they are right but they are right in a different way than what the priest are teaching us priest of all the religions just take a comment so now what happens what happens I start living a life of hypocrisy because I did not change my attitude inside I did not understand I have to change my attitude inside what is that attitude memories that is being repeated causing the frustration and hesitation has the root weaknesses I must change I don't change that but I say if I offer this much of charity the return of this much will come to me now I'm already donating that money you know I'm just doing it it will not affect it does not change your mind so that results into what is my inner attitude and what I'm doing outside they do not match so here the step number two says that right in a proper attitude in the mind I dissolve that ego while living in the world so I do not offer the charity to boost my ego that I have a easy that I have for this much I have over this much no you go to the religious places and I can bet you you go to religious places with the right and a proper attitude he says you have given me something extra which I'm offering back to you offer it silently come back I can bet you the whole week you will sleep so calmly you will have a sense of freedom we don't have that right attitude all religions are good but provided this so eastern wisdom opens up that opens at that understanding now see if I don't do it you many people ask me well I if I do not perform an action eastern wisdom says you cannot live even for a second without performing an action hence why not perform an action with the right and proper attitude what do you mean sleeping is your action listening is an action moving your hand is an action taking a glass of water is an action action is life life is action you cannot avoid action avoiding action means death action life is action why not perform the action with the right and proper attitude when you know you cannot have a luxury to sleep for 24 hours the nature will wake you up you cannot do not have a luxury to to work for 24 hours to work for 24 hours so from one action to the second action sleeping is also an action so those people who have a very very I would say distorted idea that no I will not perform any action I am not in the mood of giving why should I give or why should I take not possible as long as I live I am alive I have to perform I have to think even if I do not think unwanted thought will enter into the mind so it means if I do not I said I'm not doing any action and unwanted thoughts are coming they will always come from the memory impulses driven thoughts and they will make my life miserable I have to make an effort I have to take an action I have to change that attitude so what is again I'm repeating inner attitude inner attitude demands an awareness I live my life consciously before I speak before I think about any person including our near and dear ones this woman has been saying you know I my life has been crazy last week I invited my son and daughter and they made my life crazy she has been with me for for more than a year I simply said it is because of your binding desire binding desire comes from the memories of unfulfilled desire present in the mind and that those unfulfilled desire has an element of likes and dislikes joy and the sorrow jealousy and the hatred but why they come because you are every time they you invite them you invite them and you expect from them now see the attitude it is such a wonderful thing in your life it it opens up I invite you with an expectation from you or I invite to give you because you have come you have accepted my invitation please do come welcome in whatever way I can give you something respect love care food that giving nature should be my attitude if I invite you so I wrote to back to her I said you just keep the giving attitude where is the giving attitude you know now we see that we are changing the attitude I said you start thinking in what way I have invited my son in what way I should make him happy the way I made her happy made him happy when I was keeping him in my lap and I fed her fed him the milk so I invoked in her that that love did you not care your son at that moment what happened to you do you did not expect at that moment why you are expecting now you are self-sufficient so it happened last week then she she wrote to me I I put my mind into a giving mode I started thinking that how I gave my entire how I gave everything in their infancy when they were babies I took care of them now I am a mother still I have to take care of them that is my duty she wrote me back the next day it has not only helped me it has changed my life changed my life I have I have only to think mentally my son is in front of me and I was thinking that in what way I should give him my love my care and affection they are they are independent they live at different places I live alone so after two years she realized and I said you know I have been teaching you for since the beginning and then she asked me what is blocking it is the memory what is that memory memory of those sins that you have accumulated in your life what is the memory of this and that is the ego supported by likes and dislikes frustration reaction you did not learn anything from the world outside you always wanted to take to take from the world outside am I selfish I said yes so we had then we had a lesson we had a live session she said am I selfish I said you are extremely selfish the moment when you expect from your son and the daughters and their kids on the top of it you invited them to your house for a dinner so you always keep that expectation alive how it is possible to live in peace and happiness do you mean to say that that is the one reason I divorced my husband 20 years ago I said that is for you to think and reflect on it she said I realized that mistake I had over expectation that expectation comes from the attachment so when that expectations are not fulfilled then we are frustrated out of that frustration we react out of that reaction I took the divorce then she was telling why didn't you meet me 20 years ago I said even if I have met you 20 years ago I got I was already married no no no I'm not saying that you see that is the step two the step number three says it is not possible to practice the step number two if I don't have an an altar a higher vision in my life because if I don't keep that higher vision in my life so that my mind should return to so that my mind should return to that highest altar in my life so that I can continue to offer all my frustration to the highest altar that is our third step which what can be the highest altar can it be the God can it be my the highest goal in my life can it be can it be can it be something the grand vision that includes the entire world through my giving nature so all the three steps are connected the step one we learned that what exactly is the real self exactly is the real self pure consciousness the step two we are learning that how to perform an action with the right attitude inside the mind to make my mind free from the impulses hesitation frustration and reaction while living in the world let the world give me an opportunity every day every moment so that I start living consciously but without the highest altar it becomes a challenging task so that we will talk in our that we will discuss together in our next
